Trump tariff threat and weak cdn dollar effect on toronto sp market?

[coolmanfever]

Looks like many people agree there will be some pain with our canadian enconomy and our canadian dollar will stay weak while Trump is in office..

How do you guys think it will affect our sp market in GTA?

My prediction is that more girls will be available to work in the market. Less local clients will see girls if they lose their jobs. But many more Americans will cross the border to toronto to keep the girls busy with their strong USD. Top reviewed girls will be able to command high hourly rate. But medicore or new girls will need to drop their drop rate to stay busy.

What do you think ?

 

[GeeBee]

If girls who escort part time lose their civy jobs they may have to lower rates to attract new clients and pay the bills. But the local clients may not have the cash to spend either if things really go tits up. Both could put downward pressure on rates.

I also agree that the US guys will continue to come north to see their favourite SP's, but that isn’t happening for the majority of girls on a regular basis. The well known and top of the market girls may have the same issue as some local clients cut back on their pooning budget, so they may increasingly rely on their American whales to maintain their cash flow.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

It wont have much impact.
Rates will remain the same.
There are always enough clients around to not be a factor.

 

[ShootNScoot]

Supply and demand applies to all industries.

so…Other than a massive influx of providers with minimum GND looks and GFE service… would there be any effect on lowering rates… just a “freeze”.

Rates kinda froze during the “Rona” recovery year because no one was going to work or anywhere else… so guys with SO’s had more difficulty leaving the house alone.

Loved this time because masks were mandatory in public spaces, rates were reasonable ($300 was pretty much the highest for agencies)… and I could get preferred appointment times with the SP I wanted to see 9/10 times!

Almost as great of a time as the $220/hour PSE years!! 🥲

 

[LTO_3]

The tariff effect will be zero in the SP market. People get hired and fired all the time but IF the tariffs do affect the Canadian economy then people will adjust as they always have.

LTO_3

 

[bazokajoe]

It will have a bigger effect on the travel industry for Canadians.
The Americans will make out like bandits coming to Canada with a weak dollar.

 

[escortsxxx]

It will have a bigger effect on the travel industry for Canadians.
The Americans will make out like bandits coming to Canada with a weak dollar.

Change will happen. The specifics are hard to fathom. Certainly more women will enter related markets but OF has changed that for the most part.

 

[Butler1000]

There is a shit ton of money in this city despite a turn down. We are a chugging economy here in Toronto. So I don't see much change.

 

[Jenesis]

Every time the economy is in question, guys think the same thing. More women will enter the industry, prices will come down, less men will hobby. Yet every time, prices stay the same, women come in but women leave and guys always need sex so they figure out a way to pay.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Every time the economy is in question, guys think the same thing. More women will enter the industry, prices will come down, less men will hobby. Yet every time, prices stay the same, women come in but women leave and guys always need sex so they figure out a way to pay.

I suspect that during hard economic times many women do enter the SP market. The minority will be first time entrants, many will be previously experience with the biz. My guess is that for every active SP there may be 4 or 5 former SPs in the population that have been active in the last 10 years. During hard times some do without because they can not afford luxuries, or they may do like the former premiere of Ontario and do with what they have at home. Are you so sure there are no secret frequent flyer plans for some clients that get bumped to first class?






Over the past five years, the economy has slowed due to the pandemic. The economy was much worse than the reality due to stimulus. Wages haven’t increased much, people are spending more carefully, and businesses have been hesitant to expand. As a result, companies that sell non-essential, expensive products like luxury clothing, vacations, and high-end cars have seen fewer customers, especially from middle- and upper-middle-class buyers. While wealthy people are still spending, many others are cutting back.

With the talk of Trump's 25% tariff on goods from Canada, things may get worse. If this happens, businesses that depend on Canadian products, such as car makers, manufacturers, and retailers, will face higher costs. These costs will likely be passed on to consumers, making everyday goods more expensive and leaving people with less money to spend on luxury items. Canada may also respond by adding its own tariffs on American goods, which would hurt U.S. businesses that rely on Canadian buyers. This could slow down manufacturing and trade, possibly causing job losses. Even if these tariffs don’t happen right away, the uncertainty alone could make companies and investors hesitant to hire or expand. Consumers may also delay big purchases, worried about economic trouble ahead. The mere talk of tariffs may slow the world economy.

For businesses that sell expensive products and services, this situation could make things difficult. Ultra-luxury brands like Rolls-Royce, Hermès, and private jet companies will likely be fine since their customers are extremely wealthy and less affected by economic shifts. However, brands that rely on aspirational buyers—those who save up for luxury items could see a drop in sales, as people may skip buying designer bags, expensive watches, or luxury vacations in favor of more affordable alternatives. Fancy hotels, high-end restaurants, and premium travel may also struggle as customers downgrade their experiences, choosing nice but less expensive options instead of splurging.

If the economy remains weak and tariffs cause additional problems, luxury brands will need to adapt. They may offer special deals, focus on their wealthiest customers, or look for new markets. However, if economic confidence improves, spending on luxury could bounce back. The next few years will determine whether these businesses struggle or recover.

I follow the business news to have an idea of the direction the world economy is going. The car industry is a good gauge of consumer spending. All car manufacturers have experienced slowed sales. Toyota is a manufacturer that is doing better than most, yet they are now offering stripped down economy versions of their vehicles to retain market share. At the dealers there are $80,000 - $100.000 Ford F-150 trucks on the lot that are discounted up to $15,000 and many manufacturing plants are at reduced capacity due to low demand. Nissan and Volkswagen has announced plant closings and lay offs. Nissan plans to lay off 9,000 and Volkswagen plans to lay of 35,000 in 2025 .All retailers are experiencing diminished sales, there are no discounts or specials advertised.


In times of economic hardship the average hobbyist/consumer will cautiously maintain and/or preserve their financial situation, not know what is to com and fearing the worse to come. There will be fewer consumers for SPs, and the ones that go will do so less often. Some consumers that are reluctant to spend may go SPs may be enticed if there are incentives or discounts.

This shift in consumer behavior reflects a broader trend of financial caution, as economic uncertainty and rising costs of living prompt individuals to prioritize essential expenses over discretionary spending. The SP biz may need to adapt by offering more attractive deals, expanded or specialty services, or value-added packages to entice budget-conscious hobbyist. SPs that emphasize affordability, unique experiences or value added services may stand a better chance of capturing the attention of hobbyist still willing to spend, albeit cautiously.

 

[BobbyRyan81]

I think the only way it will effect the market if there is a lot of lay offs. Guys will still hobby but instead may hobby less or instead of doing an hour they will do a half.

 

[pacman647]

Some members on this board speculate toooooo toooooo much and have very little understanding on the dynamics of Economics and economies of scale.
I prefer to see ladies on the higher end of the spectrum and avoid the discount brands.

The majority of members that hobby, will not be affected by short term bumps in the road as their portfolio of funds (disposable funds) are generally healthy. The rest of P/T hobbyists and won't have much impact in this arena.

To the OP that ask/stated this ridiculous question. Do you think American hobbyists are going to flock across the border just to save a few?
I'm all for a higher tariff both ways, as it will force Canadians to buy local and less US products.

 

[richaceg]

Most hobbyist are minimally affected by this...this industry is almost always "inflation proof"...if the look at the pay structure...some ladies charge $250 per hr....an some $1500 per hr.... there will be ladies no matter what budget a client has... early 2000s the hh rate was $100 to $140...now on average is $200 - $220....IMO...the industry will stay the same...

 

[superman2006]

The biggest risk is if the 25% tariff happens, then we could be heading into a recession with millions of jobs lost. So people will have to cut back on their spendings. So theoretically, it could have some effects on this industry

 

[Bucktee]

The last time we experienced challenging economic times in Canada was in the early 1990s, so we're a few generations away from knowing what it's like.

We'll know the economy is actually in trouble when there is a deluge of cheap escorts available everywhere. That's been the case throughout all of history.

For now, things are humming along like they have been for the past 35+ years.

 

[GeeBee]

Some members on this board speculate toooooo toooooo much and have very little understanding on the dynamics of Economics and economies of scale.
I prefer to see ladies on the higher end of the spectrum and avoid the discount brands.

The majority of members that hobby, will not be affected by short term bumps in the road as their portfolio of funds (disposable funds) are generally healthy. The rest of P/T hobbyists and won't have much impact in this arena.

To the OP that ask/stated this ridiculous question. Do you think American hobbyists are going to flock across the border just to save a few?
I'm all for a higher tariff both ways, as it will force Canadians to buy local and less US products.

First, regardless of the impact on the sex work industry, "I’m all for higher tariffs both ways” is a pretty wild statement from a guy telling others that we have no understanding of economics. North American economies are so now interconnected that 25% tariffs have the potential to devastate all three countries. Have a look at the statements from the BOC during their latest interest rate setting, and settle in for a hell of a lot more than a short term bump in your portfolio if the orange clown continues with this tariff nonsense.

Second, lots of ladies on the higher end of the spectrum already see a significant portion of their clients coming from the US. Have a look back at their social media to the hight of the pandemic and the days of closed borders, many were lamenting the loss of their best clients. Just a guess, but I suspect that sex tourism to Canada will be even more attractive in the future, for all levels of the spectrum. It looks like you haven’t been a member for long, but several TERB members are Americans who come to Canada to see high end ladies for a fraction of the $$ it would cost them at home. One such gentlemen I communicate with has told me even factoring in flights and hotels he can have multi hour dates with some of Toronto’s finest for less than half of what he would spend at home, and with less legal risk.

 

[pacman647]

First, regardless of the impact on the sex work industry, "I’m all for higher tariffs both ways” is a pretty wild statement from a guy telling others that we have no understanding of economics. North American economies are so now interconnected that 25% tariffs have the potential to devastate all three countries. Have a look at the statements from the BOC during their latest interest rate setting, and settle in for a hell of a lot more than a short term bump in your portfolio if the orange clown continues with this tariff nonsense.

Second, lots of ladies on the higher end of the spectrum already see a significant portion of their clients coming from the US. Have a look back at their social media to the hight of the pandemic and the days of closed borders, many were lamenting the loss of their best clients. Just a guess, but I suspect that sex tourism to Canada will be even more attractive in the future, for all levels of the spectrum. It looks like you haven’t been a member for long, but several TERB members are Americans who come to Canada to see high end ladies for a fraction of the $$ it would cost them at home. One such gentlemen I communicate with has told me even factoring in flights and hotels he can have multi hour dates with some of Toronto’s finest for less than half of what he would spend at home, and with less legal risk.

I was just stating a fact. Tariffs level the playing field otherwise the majority of the majority of the working class will out of jobs in the short distant future.
This industry for the higher end ladies is for Men/Women with a higher disposable income (which the supposed 25% increase will have next to little impact). The ladies who can summon the higher end of the pay scale can do so, because they built up their brand and higher end clientele.
The higher end clientele are very picky and don't fuss around. For the members are the lower end, they will see less or shorten their session length or lower their standards.

The global shutdown (pandemic) is not the same or anywhere close to this comparison. Americans can still choose to fly to Canada to visit a lady vs flying them to their location.
Now I am not sure if you or others were impacted by the pandemic (it had little impact for me outside of not being able to travel for a bit), but it did stop me from seeing a select few independents locally. You don't think the Americans with disposable wealth don't fly to South America or South East Asia where they will get more bang for the buck? Your gentleman that you communicate with lives in a $$$ major US city where it can be very pricey.

P.S. Don't assume, just because my handle is a "New Member" makes be a newbie on this board. I am a dual citizen.

 

[Y_Diner]

You think prices will go down in this industry?
I don’t want to say never, however highly highly improbable.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

It is too soon to determine the full economic impact of the impending tariffs, as they have not yet been implemented. However, economists have already observed a decline in economic activity due to the mere anticipation of these measures. Greater challenges are likely ahead.

If there is a nauseating smell of shit before the sheiss storm, it would be advisable if you do not stand in the open when it hits.

You think prices will go down in this industry?
I don’t want to say never, however highly highly improbable.

As the economy declines and disposable income shrinks, the rule of supply and demand comes into clear effect. Consumers will prioritize necessities, leading to stable or increased demand for essential goods, while luxury items will see decreased demand. As a result, businesses catering to non-essential goods and services may struggle, potentially leading to lower production, job losses, and further economic slowdown.

I think we can come to a logical conclusion on this matter by answering some simple questions.

1) Has there been a decline in the SP biz during the pandemic, did it return after 5 years to pre pandemic levels?
2) If a second economic catastrophe hits will SP spending stay resilient?

 

[Ryan4life]

Much more likely to see girls going to sites like OnlyFans. The sex marketplace has drastically changed since Covid, hot girls see other content creators making millions twerking online, no need to touch some ugly old ass dude.