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Trump is certified delusional

Dutch Oven

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This isn't "passive aggressive".
This is "snidely condescending based on your previous track record".

You do know that every President and Vice President has their tax returns audited since the 70s.
Which means every incumbent running for office since then has been under audit.
Somehow they all managed to release their tax returns anyway.
Are you trying to avoid comparing apples to apples, or are you just being sloppy? The return which set these events in motion was a return of CANDIDATE Trump. Are you claiming that every CANDIDATE's return is automatically audited by the IRS? I suspect by the weasel-like language you have chosen, you are not making that claim, but don't mind being misunderstood.
 

Valcazar

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Are you trying to avoid comparing apples to apples, or are you just being sloppy? The return which set these events in motion was a return of CANDIDATE Trump. Are you claiming that every CANDIDATE's return is automatically audited by the IRS? I suspect by the weasel-like language you have chosen, you are not making that claim, but don't mind being misunderstood.
I am not.
I am saying that Trump said he couldn't show his returns because they were being audited and people have said no one who was being audited would show their returns.
This is false, since incumbents have been showing their returns all along and those returns were under audit because they always are.

Have any previous candidates been under audit? I don't know. The IRS doesn't confirm who is under audit.
They all released their returns though.

No one believes that you can't release your returns if you are under audit. Not even the IRS.
 

Dutch Oven

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I am not.
I am saying that Trump said he couldn't show his returns because they were being audited and people have said no one who was being audited would show their returns.
This is false, since incumbents have been showing their returns all along and those returns were under audit because they always are.

Have any previous candidates been under audit? I don't know. The IRS doesn't confirm who is under audit.
They all released their returns though.

No one believes that you can't release your returns if you are under audit. Not even the IRS.
Of course the IRS are in favour of releasing the returns! They would have the assistance of a million free auditors, some with a lot more talent (and resources) than employees of the IRS.

No one is arguing that Trump had no ability to publish his return. The argument is that it made absolutely no sense for him to do so, and doing so would have been recommended against by any competent tax attorney.

The only CANDIDATE who it is known published a return that was under audit was Nixon, who I distinguish for the reasons I've already set out.

The Presidents who run for reelection are in very different circumstances than CANDIDATES. One, their returns while sitting are audited as a matter of policy, so an audit does not forebode any potential for liability, since no screening initiates the review. Two, the requirement to divest/assign control of business holdings while sitting as President GREATLY reduces the potential for liability (either financial, or political) emanating from an audit.

You are trying to compare apples to oranges.
 

Valcazar

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No one is arguing that Trump had no ability to publish his return. The argument is that it made absolutely no sense for him to do so, and doing so would have been recommended against by any competent tax attorney.
We basically agree.
He had no legal obligation to do so and so said "Fuck you, I don't wanna."
And then he spun all kinds of bullshit about why he didn't have to and how he would totally do it if he could and he would do it soon and so on because he knew his fan base didn't care for the most part, the people who pretended to care would each grab a specific thread of his excuses or justifications (as you have done), and there was no legal method to enforce it anyway.
 
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Dave58

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The guy on the right is one ugly POS - hey donnie with all that money you have you should think about getting a repair Hair transplant

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bver_hunter

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Trump is a delusional idiot:

Former defense secretary says Trump proposed bombing Mexico

In his new book, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper says then-President Donald Trump proposed launching missiles into Mexico to destroy the drug labs in 2020. CNN political analyst Maggie Haberman has more.

 

Frankfooter

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Trump is a delusional idiot:

Former defense secretary says Trump proposed bombing Mexico

In his new book, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper says then-President Donald Trump proposed launching missiles into Mexico to destroy the drug labs in 2020. CNN political analyst Maggie Haberman has more.

Nuking hurricanes
Injecting disinfectant

So many brilliant ideas.
 

bver_hunter

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Nuking hurricanes
Injecting disinfectant

So many brilliant ideas.
You have to add shooting the protesters to the list:

Former defense secretary Mark Esper: President Trump suggested shooting protesters, missile strikes in Mexico


Yet his cult followers can see no wrong in this delusional individual's train of thoughts!!
 
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