Trump gets a $355 million kick to the crotch, will he pay up?

[mitchell76]

Here's the thing, Mitch.

Trump has gone down big on 2 civil judgments already. Would he have been investigated and sued if he were not an annoying public figure?..... Maybe not.

But the fact is that he was found liable for the wrongs he was sued for. The lawsuits may have been politically motivated, but they were solid and were proven in court. Trump should have kept out of high profile public life if he had dozens of skeletons in his closet.

And he fucked up both trials beyond fucking belief. So the trial proved that he was a dirty candidate who was also an idiot who couldn't think straight when in a conflict situation. The lawsuits actually do the public a service by demonstrating what a pathetic, incompetent moron Trump is.

Exactly, both the Carroll trial and Engoron trial were totally politically motivated. IMHO, these 2 lawsuits were not solid, at all.

Lawsuits are not supposed to be politically motivated!!

So you admit, that if Trump wouldn't have decided to run for president again, then Trump would not have been sued in these 2 ridiculous civil lawsuits. So if Biden wins because of all these dumb charges and verdicts against Trump, the US has to put up with an old dementia patient in Biden, for the next 4 yrs......LMAO

 

[SchlongConery]

Exactly, both the Carroll trial and Engoron trial were totally politically motivated. IMHO, these 2 lawsuits were not solid, at all.

Lawsuits are not supposed to be politically motivated!!

So you admit, that if Trump wouldn't have decided to run for president again, then Trump would not have been sued in these 2 ridiculous civil lawsuits. So if Biden wins because of all these dumb charges and verdicts against Trump, the US has to put up with an old dementia patient in Biden, for the next 4 yrs......LMAO

These civil cases are politically motivated?

Are you aware that your hero, the virtuous Donald J. Trump has been involved in 4,095 civil lawsuits over the last thirty years? Not including the past 6 years. Over 150 lawsuits a year? THREE LAWSUITS A WEEK!

Were they politically motivated?


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[SchlongConery]

I refuse to read the judgment. IMHO, Engoron has no credibility!!

So you are making the choice to deliberately ignore it?

 

[mitchell76]

So you are making the choice to deliberately ignore it?

Yes!!

 

[SchlongConery]

Nobody put a gun to deutsche Bank's head, and told them to lend Trump money!!

You might use the time you didn't spend reading Engoran's $355 MILLION dollar judgement and read a bit about how Deutsche Bank's Private Banking arm's primary business in those days was laundering Russian Mafia money and re-think your statement that nobody put a gun to anyone's head.

He didn't borrow from the local Deutsche Bank branch teller or Assistant Manager wearing a clip on tie. Private Banking is something that even I don't really comprehend the more I learned more about it. But basically, it is being the go-between/broker between private or tightly held groups wanting to place or get money. This is the division that lent Trump $300 million.

Interesting thing about Trump and Deutsche Bank's relationship. Some time in 2008/2009 when the financial market collapsed, Deutsche Bank's Commercial lending division called one of Trump's loans or an advance on a Chicago deal. Trump not only told them to fuck themselves, he claimed that the collapse was all banks faults and therefore they owed HIM billions! Lawsuit ensued.

For some strange reason, the lawsuit was discontinued and Deustche Bank-Private Bank arranged a loan something like $300 million MORE! It was Russian money.

Deutsche Bank faces action over $20bn Russian money-laundering scheme

Exclusive: in confidential internal report seen by the Guardian, bank says scandal has hurt global brand

www.theguardian.com

Deutsche Bank was embroiled in a vast money-laundering operation, dubbed the Global Laundromat. Russian criminals with links to the Kremlin, the old KGB and its main successor, the FSB, used the scheme between 2010 and 2014 to move money into the western financial system. The cash involved could total $80bn, detectives believe.

Deutsche is also under scrutiny in Washington over its financial dealings with Donald Trump. On 15 April, Democrats from the House intelligence and financial services committees issued a subpoena, demanding the bank provide documents about its lending to the president.

Over two decades, Trump borrowed more than $2bn from Deutsche. In 2008, he defaulted on a $45m loan repayment and sued the bank. Its private wealth division in New York subsequently loaned Trump a further $300m – a move that bemused insiders and which has yet to be fully explained.

In recent years, the bank has had a series of bruising encounters with international regulators. Between 2011 and 2018, it paid $14.5bn in fines, with exposure to dubious Russian money a regular theme.

 

[SchlongConery]

Yes!!

Textbook definition of willful ignorance.

No wonder you are so well informed.

 

[nottyboi]

Are you suggesting that giving immunity to a witness is unusual? If so you know nothing about the criminal justice system.

It isn't but this was a CIVIL trial and they included a whole bunch immunity on criminal acts that were not even related to this trial, So it STINKS and anyone can see it was quid pro quo and not just straight forward protection from self incrimination.

 

[toguy5252]

It isn't but this was a CIVIL trial and they included a whole bunch immunity on criminal acts that were not even related to this trial, So it STINKS and anyone can see it was quid pro quo and not just straight forward protection from self incrimination.

There is nothing unusual about this at all. You may not like it but it is a part of the system. You only have problems because it involves your fearless leader who you and he think should be above the law..

 

[toguy5252]

I don't think Trump lied on his credit applications, or else Deutsche Bank wouldn't have done business with Trump, in the first place!! It's not NY state's responsibility to decide if Deutsche Bank should have got a higher interest rate, or not!!

If you believe that it can only mean that you did not read the judgement and the summary of the evidence of the witnesses. And you are wrong about the law of fraud.

 

[toguy5252]

Hopefully, Trump will be able to come up with the money to appeal this "shockingly" high amount. What Engoron did was to contribute to "election interference." The Dems are terrified of a fair fight between Trump and Biden. The Dems realize that Biden is a very weak candidate!! Therefore, the Dems won't let Trump campaign properly, because of all these dumb indictments, that they charged Trump with!!

The only candidate weaker than Joe is the stable genius. What the Dems fear is that a real candidate will emerge.

 

[toguy5252]

I'm complaining that if this was any other person than trump this trial wouldn't have come to fruition, in the first place. 1. Laticia James ran her campaign on getting Trump. 2. Engoron made up his mind that Trump was guilty in a summary judgment, before any evidence was even presented. 3. Engoron totally ignored the statute of limitations. 4. According to Kevin O'Leary real estate developers do what Trump did everyday. 5. There were no victims. 6 Deutsche Bank got paid on time, and would do business with Trump again. 7. This trial was based on a archaic consumer law, where a jury wasn't allowed.

8. If Trump wasn't running for president, then Trump would have been left alone. 9. The $500 million fine was extremely excessive, for what Trump allegedly did wrong, if anything??

You are really clueless. You may truly believe that but that does not make it so. you are wrong factually and legally.

 

[toguy5252]

Trump didn't lie. All values of real estate and commercial buildings are speculative. As Kevin O'Leary made clear all real estate developers go through this song and dance every day. According to O'Leary, the banks have their own professional appraisers who report to the banks head office, what they think the real estate is worth, and how much there willing to loan the client or real estate developer etc How Engoron thought that Mar-a-Lago was only worth $18 million is beyond me.....LMAO

Do you think the square footage of apartments in trump tower are speculative? do you think the fact that he gave values for Florida real estate based upon 1000 + residential units when he had covenanted not to build on the property is speculative, Do you think the number of floors in trump tower is speculative? there were multiple cases of outright lies about the real estate which had nothing at all to do with speculation. read the judgement.

 

[toguy5252]

The banking and credit experts that Trump got to testify for him at the trial, thought that Trump did nothing wrong. The problem was, that loser Judge Engoron, had no clue how real estate valuations work, and had already made up his mind, before the trial even started!!

The only banking expert was paid a million dollars for his opinion. Do you think that may have colored his opinion?

 

[Frankfooter]

they were not suckers, they were probably complicit. you see, if they don't make the loan they don't make money. Because they are sophisticated, they know the project needs a cartain interest rate to be viable or no deal. So its in everyones interest to overvalue the collateral. The valuation was probably a colaboration between the Trump team and the bank team.

So breaking the law is ok if you think everyone else does it too?

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1763314005760700846

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1763395802871824675

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1763317399674040813

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1763333200758317151

 

[SchlongConery]

It isn't but this was a CIVIL trial and they included a whole bunch immunity on criminal acts that were not even related to this trial, So it STINKS and anyone can see it was quid pro quo and not just straight forward protection from self incrimination.

So breaking the law is ok if you think everyone else does it too?

 

[SchlongConery]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1763395802871824675

Wow!

That was awesome! Really! Thanks for sharing that!

P.S. I somehow pictured you with longer hair