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Trump freezes Ukraine aid, SPARES ISRAEL

Klatuu

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Do you know the saying that if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is?

This is right along those those lines. You sound incredulous that the foreign policy of the US could be bought for such a seemingly paltry amount.

Well, that's for good reason. You are correct. It can't. It's a stupidly low amount for something so valuable. The US supports Israel because Israel is a valuable asset to the US and helps protect other US assets in the region that are probably worth hundreds of billions of dollars, if not more, along with the vital intelligence they provide. Nobody in the region does more to protect American interests in the Middle East. Is anybody willing to say with 100% certainty that it's not possible that some bit of Israeli intelligence helped the US locate bin Laden?

And if it's strictly money and such a small amount why don't other Arab nations outspend Israel 100 fold to curry such important US favour? The Saudis already spend that and it's just for golf. You guys are hilarious. Unfortunately for you, it's unintentional LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Thank you for helping me prove my point, once again, that US support for Israel has nothing to do with any money sent the US' way. It has to do with geopolitical strategy.

You guys always sound so ridiculous talking about the tail wagging the dog. Reality is that the US is always and only looking out for #1, themselves. Supporting Israel is for no other reason than to look out for themselves and their interests.

Once again, the anti-Semitic hate does not allow you people to see reality clearly even though it's staring you right in the face. This is just one more anti-Semitic trope like Jews have big noses, Jews are cheap, Jews control the world banking system, Jews have space lasers. Keep exposing yourselves.

Keep up the good work, guys.
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Trump’s 90-day foreign aid suspension order does not impact weapon deliveries to Ukraine, Pentagon says

U.S. President Donald Trump’s executive order suspending foreign aid programs for 90 days does not apply to military assistance for Ukraine, the Pentagon confirmed to the Ukrainian Service of Voice of America on Jan. 23.

“Security assistance to Ukraine is not subject to the restrictions of the recent foreign assistance order, as it only applies to development programs, not military support,” the U.S. Department of Defense stated.

Contracts under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) and weapon deliveries from U.S. warehouses under the Presidential Depletion Authority (PDA) will remain unaffected.

These programs, among others, were initiated during President Biden’s administration.


While Ukrainian military assistance is exempt from the 90-day suspension, the status of development and humanitarian programs is uncertain and still under review.

The 90-day suspension was published by the White House on Jan. 20, as one of the numerous executive orders Trump has passed since becoming president.

In the document, Trump wrote that "the United States foreign aid industry and bureaucracy are not aligned with American interests and in many cases antithetical to American values," without mentioning specific examples.

In addition to development aid, the U.S. has provided Kyiv with $66 billion in military assistance since the outbreak of Russia’s full-scale war in 2022.

 

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It's a bit unclear to me that he made any exception for Israel.
There are funds which are long-term treaty obligations that this doesn't touch and Israel gets a lot of money from that, but it isn't the only country to do so.
(And those funds can't be stopped by executive order.)

Edit - I know he gave the Secretary of State the right to waive the freeze on any given program or money, so maybe Rubio did something concerning Israel here that I missed?
You aren't doing your homework. Trump spared only Israel and Egypt in cuts to foreign aid. Now he's also declaring that he wants Egypt and Jordan to take all Palestinians in Gaza.



 

Valcazar

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You aren't doing your homework. Trump spared only Israel and Egypt in cuts to foreign aid.
No.
Trump's executive order doesn't apply to weapons.
That's not the same thing, which was my point.

However! The reporting is that Rubio released a memo that does specify an exception for Israel and Egypt military aid.
Which isn't something covered by Trump's order in the first place.

Zelensky says military aid to Ukraine hasn't stopped.
There are a bunch of other countries that receive military aid.
We haven't heard from Taiwan for instance - have they had their military aid stopped?

So it is very unclear what is going on now.

Especially since USAID people say humanitarian aid HASN'T been touched by this.

So this seems more of the "throw lots of shit chaos muppet" approach.

I'd like to see Rubio's memo, but no one has released the text.

Now he's also declaring that he wants Egypt and Jordan to take all Palestinians in Gaza.
Yes.
It isn't like he hid that he was pro-ethnic cleansing.
There are people who voted for him and supported him winning specifically for that reason.
 
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Frankfooter

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No.
Trump's executive order doesn't apply to weapons.
That's not the same thing, which was my point.

However! The reporting is that Rubio released a memo that does specify an exception for Israel and Egypt military aid.
Which isn't something covered by Trump's order in the first place.

Zelensky says military aid to Ukraine hasn't stopped.
There are a bunch of other countries that receive military aid.
We haven't heard from Taiwan for instance - have they had their military aid stopped?

So it is very unclear what is going on now.

Especially since USAID people say humanitarian aid HASN'T been touched by this.

So this seems more of the "throw lots of shit chaos muppet" approach.

I'd like to see Rubio's memo, but no one has released the text.



Yes.
It isn't like he hid that he was pro-ethnic cleansing.
There are people who voted for him and supported him winning specifically for that reason.
I was talking about aid after you said you didn't think it happened and you shifted to weapons because the NYT article discussed weapons as well.
Trump has apparently cut USAID, even though I hear that congress controls this, not the president.

Apparently these letters are going out everywhere.





 

Valcazar

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Trump has apparently cut USAID, even though I hear that congress controls this, not the president.

Apparently these letters are going out everywhere.





Now we have USAID cuts here, even though as of yesterday, USAID was saying it wasn't affected.
The Executive Order by Trump cited in this memo only mentions foreign development assistance programs

Now we have what you've posted, which seems to be tied to the memos mentioned here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/26/trump-threatens-disciplinary-action-usaid-staff

This memo from Aaron is also clearly not the memo from Rubio cited in the Friday reporting (although it seems that is referenced in the PDF, which sadly is only an image here so the link doesn't work).
It may be this one: https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/USAIDHQ/bulletins/3ceb15a

All of this appears to go much further than the actual executive order Trump issued on the 20th.

And we still have no clarity on whether or not any military aid has been cut off.

So it is, as I mentioned, a chaos muppet blitzkreig, from what I can tell.

As for the Congress issue, it is probably irrelevant since everything is "paused for review", not cut off. (For now.)
 

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The US has given $183 billion to Ukraine just to prolong a war that they going to eventually lose. I wouldn’t give Ukraine annymo either, the Russians could do this for 20 more years. You’re gonna keep giving them money? They need a peace deal.
 

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Now we have USAID cuts here, even though as of yesterday, USAID was saying it wasn't affected.
The Executive Order by Trump cited in this memo only mentions foreign development assistance programs

Now we have what you've posted, which seems to be tied to the memos mentioned here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/26/trump-threatens-disciplinary-action-usaid-staff

This memo from Aaron is also clearly not the memo from Rubio cited in the Friday reporting (although it seems that is referenced in the PDF, which sadly is only an image here so the link doesn't work).
It may be this one: https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/USAIDHQ/bulletins/3ceb15a

All of this appears to go much further than the actual executive order Trump issued on the 20th.

And we still have no clarity on whether or not any military aid has been cut off.

So it is, as I mentioned, a chaos muppet blitzkreig, from what I can tell.

As for the Congress issue, it is probably irrelevant since everything is "paused for review", not cut off. (For now.)
Those memos were posted on the xitter but by reputable sources. That's the kind of thing you won't find on the MSM.

The memo says there can be waivers to continue some funding but it has to be signed off personally by Rubio. Soon playing, House of Horrors II.
The memo said further waivers would require two layers of approval – one from USAid leadership and another by US secretary of state Marco Rubio.

 

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Everything Trump does is done for Trump. He is sending a message to Zelenskyy that he can stop aid at any time, and at the same time he is sending a message to Putin that he can do him favors. Trump is a malicious psychopathic interloper that is out for personal gain. He is acting against the interest of Ukraine and the European Union.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Why is this? Seriously. I know this is real but I never understood why.
I think it started with a lobbyist for Israel back in 1954 forming AIPAC to counter negative international reactions to Israel's Qibya massacre of Palestinian villagers.
I think progressively the ties between both countries became tighter over the decades, interests aligned and now they are pretty much joined at the hip.
There is lots of people, culture, scientific exchange along with money (in politics) and lobbying (politics).
The impact is there is enormous pressure on American presidents to be pro-Israel.
Must be quite the balancing act for US Presidents.
 
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