Trump floats Wayne Gretzky as 'Governor of Canada' while Trudeau's Christmas message struggles to make a mark: 'It no longer looks like a joke'

[Butler1000]

Immigration was not the top of the priority in the Brexit Referendum. It was more to do with the Pro-Brexit Camp managing to get the message that The UK were contributing more to the EU than what they were getting out of it. Another cause for concern was the belief that the Economy would thrive after Brexit as there would be more trade agreements with Nations around the Globe. But the majority of the British now regret that decision, as there were many UK residents also living and working in one of the EU Nations. They had issues with their permits to stay in the EU. Scotland and Norther Ireland have been heavily impacted by the Brexit!!

My concern is not just immigration at the Border but the flow of weapons such as illegal guns being smuggled into Canada from The USA that are falling into the wrong hands. If they have to clamp down on drugs then the USA should tighten their borders to prevent such weapons coming North. Not sure why you equate Brexit with our Canadian Immigration Policy, as they are like comparing apples and bread crumbs!! The biggest issue is that we need the current NAFTA policy in place, rather than a ridiculous one that Trump wants to renegotiate!!

You are the real hypocrite who praises these Trump policies especially when he is trying to screw us with his tariffs. But do you want Canada to be the 51st State of the USA?

You are wrong. Don't ask the media, ask the people who voted to leave.

Why Britain really voted to leave the European Union | University of Essex

A showcase of research by Professor Paul Whiteley from the Department of Government which analyses a decade’s worth of survey data to determine why Britain voted for Brexit.

www.essex.ac.uk

Why immigration was key to Brexit vote

Brexit reflected ‘a complex and cross-cutting mix of calculations, emotions and cues’ but anxiety over immigration was the dominant factor

www.irishtimes.com

Brexit was a vote for national control over immigration – Labour must fully embrace it

The Brexit vote was about restoring national democratic control over domestic policy, with the most politically salient being control over immigration, writes Richard Johnson (Lancaster University)…

blogs.lse.ac.uk

The Refugee Crisis, Brexit, and the Reframing of Immigration in Britain

On June 23, 2016, Britain held a referendum to determine the future of its relationship

www.europenowjournal.org

 

[Butler1000]

It was a bad decision to leave the EU as most of the British citizens now regret it as I predicted at that time:

Brexit poll 2024 | Statista

The share of people who regret Brexit has increased since the UK left the EU. Recent polls show a growing majority think it was the wrong decision.

www.statista.com

What exactly are you trying to say, about us in Canada? Have we got a Brexit situation here? Only that stupidity out of Trump's ass, is about us becoming the 51st State!!
You are speaking in riddles as the border policy has zero comparison with Brexit!!

Lol.

 

[The Oracle]

Lol.

I think I know but you seem to have a better handle on this...What were the advantages of leaving?

 

[Butler1000]

I think I know but you seem to have a better handle on this...What were the advantages of leaving?

It was a choice between ease of trade, some cheaper pricing, easier travel, vs having control over the border, having to support Nations with bad fiscal policy, and continued erosion of national identity.

So it wasn't imo about what was better. That was relative. But about preference of the direction of the nation.

I have no issue with ease of trade, and movement between relativity equal Nations. I think with the closeness of European nations even a common currency made sense. And common entry rules for tourism. But with the Migrant Crisis the UNELECTED EU leadership tried to impose immigration policy on Nations. In fact many of them are monocultures and we have seen what the lack of assimilation has done.

Britain has especially been a place for workers to try to get into. From former eastern Bloc Nations, and the ME and African migrant population. So Britain chose to give up their membership to keep their control. There is back and forth on cost. Whether the EU cash transfers vs increased trade costs were offset. But like any divorce sometimes the freedom from someone is worth the price.

 

[bver_hunter]

Lol.

Fact is that the majority now regret Brexit. You may LOL as much as you want, as these are the more recent opinions!!

Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll

Only one in 10 feel leaving the EU has helped their finances, while just 9% say it has benefited the NHS, despite £350m a week pledge

www.theguardian.com

Has Brexit been a failure? A majority of Brits think so

A new opinion poll has found that most British voters see leaving the EU as a huge failure for the country, especially around broken promises on NHS funding.

www.euronews.com

Majority of people think UK was wrong to leave EU, poll suggests

The Tony Blair Institute think tank has looked at how the UK can improve its post-Brexit relationship with the EU.

www.independent.co.uk

Most Britons say Brexit has been ‘more of a failure’ | YouGov

YouGov tracker data records the highest levels of Bregret among Leave voters to date

yougov.co.uk

 

[bver_hunter]

It was a choice between ease of trade, some cheaper pricing, easier travel, vs having control over the border, having to support Nations with bad fiscal policy, and continued erosion of national identity.

So it wasn't imo about what was better. That was relative. But about preference of the direction of the nation.

I have no issue with ease of trade, and movement between relativity equal Nations. I think with the closeness of European nations even a common currency made sense. And common entry rules for tourism. But with the Migrant Crisis the UNELECTED EU leadership tried to impose immigration policy on Nations. In fact many of them are monocultures and we have seen what the lack of assimilation has done.

Britain has especially been a place for workers to try to get into. From former eastern Bloc Nations, and the ME and African migrant population. So Britain chose to give up their membership to keep their control. There is back and forth on cost. Whether the EU cash transfers vs increased trade costs were offset. But like any divorce sometimes the freedom from someone is worth the price.

Fact is that the immigration from the Eastern Bloc was far higher than that from Non-EU Nations.
Ironically, after Brexit, most of the new immigrants are vastly from Non-EU Nations, while there has been a net loss of EU migrants who were returning to their own countries, as Brexit was overall a disaster.........LOL!!

Net migration to the UK - Migration Observatory

An overview of net migration in the UK – defined as the difference between immigration and emigration of people moving for at least a year.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

 

[Butler1000]

Fact is that the majority now regret Brexit. You may LOL as much as you want, as these are the more recent opinions!!

Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll

Only one in 10 feel leaving the EU has helped their finances, while just 9% say it has benefited the NHS, despite £350m a week pledge

www.theguardian.com

Has Brexit been a failure? A majority of Brits think so

A new opinion poll has found that most British voters see leaving the EU as a huge failure for the country, especially around broken promises on NHS funding.

www.euronews.com

Majority of people think UK was wrong to leave EU, poll suggests

The Tony Blair Institute think tank has looked at how the UK can improve its post-Brexit relationship with the EU.

www.independent.co.uk

Most Britons say Brexit has been ‘more of a failure’ | YouGov

YouGov tracker data records the highest levels of Bregret among Leave voters to date

yougov.co.uk

So what? Are you then saying Canada should do the same with the USA? Give up our currency, border sovereignty and immigration policy and let the USA decide it? All for cheaper goods?

That's the choice. What do you choose?

 

[Butler1000]

Fact is that the immigration from the Eastern Bloc was far higher than that from Non-EU Nations.
Ironically, after Brexit, most of the new immigrants are vastly from Non-EU Nations, while there has been a net loss of EU migrants who were returning to their own countries, as Brexit was overall a disaster.........LOL!!

Net migration to the UK - Migration Observatory

An overview of net migration in the UK – defined as the difference between immigration and emigration of people moving for at least a year.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

So you have an issue with non EU immigrats? Why is that bver?

 

[bver_hunter]

So what? Are you then saying Canada should do the same with the USA? Give up our currency, border sovereignty and immigration policy and let the USA decide it? All for cheaper goods?

That's the choice. What do you choose?

Did the UK give up their currency when they were part of the EU? You are wrong there as The UK was one of the only nations in the EU that retained their GBP as the currency!!

Now the UK VOTED to join the EEC in 1975 by a vast majority. On the other hand do you think on that Canada should be "bought" by a certain President Elect just to be part of the USA?

I choose the present set up where the NAFTA was a Free Trade that benefited our Nation. Are you in agreement with those 25% tariffs?

Listen, no one is espousing for surrendering the border sovereignty in Canada. The majority of Canadians do not want to be a part of the USA, just a few far right ones who favour it!!

 

[bver_hunter]

So you have an issue with non EU immigrats? Why is that bver?

You are the one that seems to have an issue with migrants in the first place butler!!

 

[Butler1000]

You are the one that seems to have an issue with migrants in the first place butler!!

Um no, go look at the 25% white thread and see my thoughts.

But you told on yourself when you said one of the PROBLEMS was less European (white) immigration and more non EU (people of colour) immigration.

My issue is with migrant labour that sends money home. I want immigration where they stay, lay down roots,assimilate while adding positive cultural pieces to our mosaic. Methinks you just want cheap labour.

 

[Butler1000]

Did the UK give up their currency when they were part of the EU? You are wrong there as The UK was one of the only nations in the EU that retained their GBP as the currency!!

Now the UK VOTED to join the EEC in 1975 by a vast majority. On the other hand do you think on that Canada should be "bought" by a certain President Elect just to be part of the USA?

I choose the present set up where the NAFTA was a Free Trade that benefited our Nation. Are you in agreement with those 25% tariffs?

Listen, no one is espousing for surrendering the border sovereignty in Canada. The majority of Canadians do not want to be a part of the USA, just a few far right ones who favour it!!

The EU wanted Britain because they have the best business and banking laws in the region. It was where most of the big economic activities flowed through. What Britain didn't want is the EU to control their migrant worker policy.

And As I Stated. It was a trade off. It costs more for independence.

 

[bver_hunter]

Um no, go look at the 25% white thread and see my thoughts.

But you told on yourself when you said one of the PROBLEMS was less European (white) immigration and more non EU (people of colour) immigration.

My issue is with migrant labour that sends money home. I want immigration where they stay, lay down roots,assimilate while adding positive cultural pieces to our mosaic. Methinks you just want cheap labour.

Goodness knows what thread you are referring to.

You seem to have an anti-immigrant sentiment!!

The fact is that more citizens from the other EU Nations migrated to the UK prior to the Brexit. Many have started returning back home!!
Now what is wrong with migrants who have parents living in poverty in their home country and then being assisted by their children who are now earning a healthy salary. Facts are that parents in those nations sacrificed a lot to get their children highly educated. The children are now trying to assist their parents. Are you against that fact?

 

[bver_hunter]

The EU wanted Britain because they have the best business and banking laws in the region. It was where most of the big economic activities flowed through. What Britain didn't want is the EU to control their migrant worker policy.

And As I Stated. It was a trade off. It costs more for independence.

The fact is that the number of migrants has risen significantly since Brexit. Though Emigration also rose significantly, the net migration to the UK is at historical levels. Many with student visas etc. The fact is that migrants do undertake the tasks that local residents try to avoid. The UK residents are now worse off since Brexit and are now regretting it!!

 

[Butler1000]

Goodness knows what thread you are referring to.

You seem to have an anti-immigrant sentiment!!

The fact is that more citizens from the other EU Nations migrated to the UK prior to the Brexit. Many have started returning back home!!
Now what is wrong with migrants who have parents living in poverty in their home country and then being assisted by their children who are now earning a healthy salary. Facts are that parents in those nations sacrificed a lot to get their children highly educated. The children are now trying to assist their parents. Are you against that fact?

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/is-gta-less-than-25-white-now.873064/

Here ya go!

And they left because they were migrant workers and not immigrants. There is a difference. And yes I prefer money earned in a nation be spent in a nation. It's basic common economic sense to not want wealth transfered out. And more importantly to not have transitory workers but ones who have ties to the community.

 

[Butler1000]

The fact is that the number of migrants has risen significantly since Brexit. Though Emigration also rose significantly, the net migration to the UK is at historical levels. Many with student visas etc. The fact is that migrants do undertake the tasks that local residents try to avoid. The UK residents are now worse off since Brexit and are now regretting it!!

Ate they? I have lots if friends over there who say it's more about local government than brexit.

Kinda like it's more about Trudeau than Trump here......

 

[bver_hunter]

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/is-gta-less-than-25-white-now.873064/

Here ya go!

And they left because they were migrant workers and not immigrants. There is a difference. And yes I prefer money earned in a nation be spent in a nation. It's basic common economic sense to not want wealth transfered out. And more importantly to not have transitory workers but ones who have ties to the community.

Good that you embraced immigrants of all colours and creeds!!

Most of those migrants who came from the EU were those who intended to reside permanently in the UK, especially from Nations like Poland and Romania. In the UK they were not considered to be immigrants as there was a free flow of workers within the EU without any visa or work permits being issued!!

However, a considerable number of them had to leave against their will due to Brexit. Many of them were in the construction business. They were filling positions that were desperately vacant in that sector. Generally, if you look at various countries that have migrants or immigrants, they fill in positions that local residents cannot fill!!

 

[bver_hunter]

Ate they? I have lots if friends over there who say it's more about local government than brexit.

Kinda like it's more about Trudeau than Trump here......

I have lots of friends there who were opposed to Brexit. Polls suggest that most UK residents now believe that Brexit was a huge mistake.
Trump's pure fantasy about Canada being a 51st State is wishful thinking, just like his walking dreams about Greenland and The Panama being purchased on Amazon!!
Not sure what that has to do with Trudeau!!

 

[Butler1000]

Good that you embraced immigrants of all colours and creeds!!

Most of those migrants who came from the EU were those who intended to reside permanently in the UK, especially from Nations like Poland and Romania. In the UK they were not considered to be immigrants as there was a free flow of workers within the EU without any visa or work permits being issued!!

However, a considerable number of them had to leave against their will due to Brexit. Many of them were in the construction business. They were filling positions that were desperately vacant in that sector. Generally, if you look at various countries that have migrants or immigrants, they fill in positions that local residents cannot fill!!

They weren't staying. They were migrant workers.

 

[bver_hunter]

They weren't staying. They were migrant workers.

They were intent on staying and had to leave!!