Trump announces plan to use lethal force against Caravan

[Butler1000]

Butler, let me do this gently...............

The existing congressional immigration laws and the UN Convention on Refugees both allow claims from inland. It doesn't matter that the person has snuck into the country across the tundra. Or the Arizona desert. They get to make the claim. THAT'S the law.

Trump can't change that because Congress passed a fucking law on the topic. And he can't instruct US Immigration officials to disbelieve refugee claimants who illegally entered the US on the merits of their refugee claims because it's a gross abuse of due process. It's like Trudeau telling judges that they don't believe criminals defendants if they're wearing sneakers or some irrelevant shit like that. It's nonsense. The ACLU will go bananas and be filing mandamus in every court in the States 50 times a day - and they'll win each and every case.

You're wasting everybody's time. You're just shit-shooting nonsense off the top of your head on a topic you have no concept about.

They cross they are breaking the law. The law is also clear on that. It's a catch 22. They have to report to a border crossing and wait.

Sorry you don't like it but that's the way it works. The difference is Trump is enforcing it.

Or all those crossing wouldn't be in detention would they?

 

[Butler1000]

So trump will do as he did previously- ie shut down the border crossings and jam asylum seekers up in line ups that last for days/weeks. This was what happened last time that led to a small number of asylum seekers giving up on the line and trying to enter illegally...except this time Trump is instructing his troops to use these people as target practice.

Pretty much. Its ugly. It's dehumanizing. It's what about half the population of the USA wants to happen.

Well except the target practice.

The alternative is what happened in Europe. Imagine how the populace will react then?

 

[apoptygma]

That's just stupid. Seriously. Plain stupid.

I'm glad that you finally realize your POV is just plain stupid.

 

[Butler1000]

I'm glad that you finally realize your POV is just plain stupid.

I won't bother retyping my previous post to you. It does stand nicely.

 

[apoptygma]

I won't bother retyping my previous post to you. It does stand nicely.

You mean your post when you justify Trump's approval of use of force simply because you personally doubt that there will be 12 year old girls throwing rocks... like the age and gender of the rock-thrower is relevant when we are talking about an illegal and amoral order from an amoral loser.

 

[mandrill]

They cross they are breaking the law. The law is also clear on that. It's a catch 22. They have to report to a border crossing and wait.

Sorry you don't like it but that's the way it works. The difference is Trump is enforcing it.

Or all those crossing wouldn't be in detention would they?

Just read that the ACLU is already preparing its court applications and writs. So your grandiose "Sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it works." is going to be the centre of a big, new shit storm in a week or two. We'll see how Tough Guy Butler and Tough Guy Butler's hero, Trump hold up.

BTW Bernie's against what Trump is doing, isn't he? For a brave, free-spirited leftie, you sure seem to like a bunch of things that the ACLU really hates....

 

[Butler1000]

You mean your post when you justify Trump's approval of use of force simply because you personally doubt that there will be 12 year old girls throwing rocks... like the age and gender of the rock-thrower is relevant when we are talking about an illegal and amoral order from an amoral loser.

No. What I said was it doesn't matter what Trump says. The military can't engage. It's illegal. So the point is moot.

It's a hot air tweet for the base. In reality it's means nothing.

The checks and balances continue to work. That's what matters. Getting into an emotional tizzy with wild and quite frankly crazy stupid speculation is useless.

We are past the halfway mark now. With even more checks on him. Just wait it out. The outrage machine for clickbait cash is going to age you prematurely.

 

[Butler1000]

Just read that the ACLU is already preparing its court applications and writs. So your grandiose "Sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it works." is going to be the centre of a big, new shit storm in a week or two. We'll see how Tough Guy Butler and Tough Guy Butler's hero, Trump hold up.

BTW Bernie's against what Trump is doing, isn't he? For a brave, free-spirited leftie, you sure seem to like a bunch of things that the ACLU really hates....

Bernie will have his time. It's coming and I hope it works out. He put in alot of work creating his own progressive political machine the last two years. He is way ahead of his competitors at this point.

As soon as he activates the troops and fundraising and starts packing stadiums again the real fun can begin.

 

[apoptygma]

No. What I said was it doesn't matter what Trump says. The military can't engage. It's illegal. So the point is moot.

It's a hot air tweet for the base. In reality it's means nothing.

The checks and balances continue to work. That's what matters. Getting into an emotional tizzy with wild and quite frankly crazy stupid speculation is useless.

We are past the halfway mark now. With even more checks on him. Just wait it out. The outrage machine for clickbait cash is going to age you prematurely.

It DOES matter what Trump says. There have already been cases where a 'defense' has been "but Trump said it's OK".
Read up on current affairs before you post inaccurate information.
"It's illegal". The US military has NEVER done anything illegal, have they?

 

[Butler1000]

Just read that the ACLU is already preparing its court applications and writs. So your grandiose "Sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it works." is going to be the centre of a big, new shit storm in a week or two. We'll see how Tough Guy Butler and Tough Guy Butler's hero, Trump hold up.

BTW Bernie's against what Trump is doing, isn't he? For a brave, free-spirited leftie, you sure seem to like a bunch of things that the ACLU really hates....

As too the ACLU I have no issues with them doing it. It's part of the checks and balances I speak of. Whether or not they are successful will be up for debate.

 

[Butler1000]

It DOES matter what Trump says. There have already been cases where a 'defense' has been "but Trump said it's OK".
Read up on current affairs before you post inaccurate information.
"It's illegal". The US military has NEVER done anything illegal, have they?

Not on domestic soil no I don't think they have. Feel free to site examples if you like.

It was the chairman of the JCOS who advised Trump on the limitations of what the military can do and turned down his initial request. And the hours on the ground will follow the orders of the generals and not the POTUS. Cripes they may not even issue live ammo.

Stop being so dramatic. They are building support areas, supplying transport and some a ircraft for recon. That's it. Oh and they put up barbed wire to narrow access points.

So pretty much a nice show to appease the idiot militia boys and prevent a real incident of live fire across into Mexico setting up an international incident.

I'm quite accurate in my info. When you can come up with your rock throwing 12 year old girl horde let me know.

 

[Frankfooter]

Funny how Trump hasn't mentioned the caravan once since the election ended.

Instead he's just ranting about France, Brexit and how unfair the elections and investigations are to him personally.
Sounds like the WH is a total shitshow right now.

The caravan/dog whistle is no longer necessary, there's no point continuing to talk about it.