Trump announces plan to use lethal force against Caravan

[mandrill]

Trump suggested that the military should (as in personal opinion) think of rock throwers as combatants and engage in defensive fire as necessary.

Hardly the same as ordering use of deadly force. Lots of hyperbole in that extrapolation.

By showing what they are actually doing and will be doing its in contradiction if what the press says Trump "ordered"

Of course it was a political stunt. As to the cost most of that is salaries and soldier upkeep that would have to be paid anyway. Calculate the transport costs and any non resuable infrastructure wear and tear.

Makes for a decent training mission as well.

Do you ever logic check the crap you write, Bernie Bro Butler? Just curious.

The army can "engage in defensive fire"..... "Hardly the same as ordering deadly force".....

Buddy, it's EXACTLY the same as ordering deadly force. That's what your hero just told them to do! What are they using for "defensive fire"???!!!!... Nerf balls??!!!

If you used a fraction of your time usefully instead of defending every single thing Trump says and does, you would be a far happier guy and the world a far more sensible place. Sheeeesh!!!!!!

 

[apoptygma]

Trump suggested that the military should (as in personal opinion) think of rock throwers as combatants and engage in defensive fire as necessary.

Hardly the same as ordering use of deadly force. Lots of hyperbole in that extrapolation.

By showing what they are actually doing and will be doing its in contradiction if what the press says Trump "ordered"

Of course it was a political stunt. As to the cost most of that is salaries and soldier upkeep that would have to be paid anyway. Calculate the transport costs and any non resuable infrastructure wear and tear.

Makes for a decent training mission as well.

OK, so the first rock that is thrown at a soldier, and the soldier uses deadly force on the 12 year old girl that threw the rock.
His defense is: But Trump said, "When they throw rocks like they did at the Mexico military police, consider it a rifle."
You must be proud of the environment your Dear Leader is creating.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

As above. As long as the law is followed on this and the checks and balances work why get worked up about it?

Talking to the guy on his third handle. Yer tied with Frankie btw.

Maybe I should put a poll up taking bets on who has to come crawling back with a 4th first.....

Some people might get worked up over POTUS advocating for the mass slaughter of migrants seeking asylum...apparently you’re not one of them.

Carry on trolling the board.

 

[bver_hunter]

More trolling from the guy who claims he’s not really a trump supporter.

As well as name calling. He is no Bernie Sanders supporter, but now I know why he is so sneaky:

 

[Knuckle Ball]

As well as name calling. He is no Bernie Sanders supporter, but now I know why he is so sneaky:

Once Butler acknowledged that his biggest thrill in life comes from trolling terb’s Politics Section and trying to make liberals’ heads explode, all of his posts immediately made sense.

 

[Butler1000]

OK, so the first rock that is thrown at a soldier, and the soldier uses deadly force on the 12 year old girl that threw the rock.
His defense is: But Trump said, "When they throw rocks like they did at the Mexico military police, consider it a rifle."
You must be proud of the environment your Dear Leader is creating.

Nice image. But I doubt any 12 year old girls will be throwing rocks.

 

[Butler1000]

Some people might get worked up over POTUS advocating for the mass slaughter of migrants seeking asylum...apparently you’re not one of them.

Carry on trolling the board.

Mass slaughter. There is another fine example of hysteria.

 

[Butler1000]

Do you ever logic check the crap you write, Bernie Bro Butler? Just curious.

The army can "engage in defensive fire"..... "Hardly the same as ordering deadly force".....

Buddy, it's EXACTLY the same as ordering deadly force. That's what your hero just told them to do! What are they using for "defensive fire"???!!!!... Nerf balls??!!!

If you used a fraction of your time usefully instead of defending every single thing Trump says and does, you would be a far happier guy and the world a far more sensible place. Sheeeesh!!!!!!

I dont consider stopping a mass migrancy from crossing the border illegally to be a bad thing.

What's wrong with that?

 

[Butler1000]

Btw gentlemen. Did you ever stop and think putting the troops there also serves the purpose of appeasing the yahoo militias who would take it upon themselves to defend the border.

I'd much rather leave it to the US military to keep a lid on things and prevent any accidental shots then some wannabe Revolutionary soldiers.

 

[Butler1000]

As well as name calling. He is no Bernie Sanders supporter, but now I know why he is so sneaky:

Sure I am. As soon as he declares I'll be quite Happy.

 

[basketcase]

Seems Trump and Fox aren't even talking about those people any more. Wonder why that is.

 

[Frankfooter]

I dont consider stopping a mass migrancy from crossing the border illegally to be a bad thing.

What's wrong with that?

Its not a mass migration.
You are just trolling again.

 

[apoptygma]

Nice image. But I doubt any 12 year old girls will be throwing rocks.

So a grown man throwing a rock is more dangerous than a 12 year old girl throwing a rock?
We are talking about armed soldiers here.

 

[mandrill]

I dont consider stopping a mass migrancy from crossing the border illegally to be a bad thing.

What's wrong with that?

The mass migrants have every legal right to appear at the border and claim asylum. It's guaranteed by US law. And it's not "illegal". The UN Convention on REfugees and US congressional law both allow it. Why don't you try following the discussions on this topic??!

So if they are "stopped" - i.e. killed by US troops under the instructions of Trump - while exercising a right guaranteed by US law, there's going to be a decade of impeachments, court marshalls and all sorts of other shit.

If the US wants to "stop" the Central Americans coming, they can resile from the UN Convention on Refugees and pass a congressional act to that effect. Do you see them doing that? I don't. It's embarrassing in the eyes of the rest of the world.

So until they do that, they don't get to "stop" anybody.

And do us a favour - READ a little about your topic before you damn well post next time! You waste everyone's time with your nonsense.

 

[Butler1000]

The mass migrants have every legal right to appear at the border and claim asylum. It's guaranteed by US law. And it's not "illegal". The UN Convention on REfugees and US congressional law both allow it. Why don't you try following the discussions on this topic??!

So if they are "stopped" - i.e. killed by US troops under the instructions of Trump - while exercising a right guaranteed by US law, there's going to be a decade of impeachments, court marshalls and all sorts of other shit.

If the US wants to "stop" the Central Americans coming, they can resile from the UN Convention on Refugees and pass a congressional act to that effect. Do you see them doing that? I don't. It's embarrassing in the eyes of the rest of the world.

So until they do that, they don't get to "stop" anybody.

And do us a favour - READ a little about your topic before you damn well post next time! You waste everyone's time with your nonsense.

Yes. They can apply at the border. The troops aren't at the crossing points though are they? They are rendering assistance to the border patrol to stop and detain ILLEGAL crossers.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Butler1000]

So a grown man throwing a rock is more dangerous than a 12 year old girl throwing a rock?
We are talking about armed soldiers here.

That's just stupid. Seriously. Plain stupid.

 

[mandrill]

Yes. They can apply at the border. The troops aren't at the crossing points though are they? They are rendering assistance to the border patrol to stop and detain ILLEGAL crossers.

Sounds good to me.

If they apply at the border, they legally have to be admitted into the US until their refugee claim is heard and determined.

Like I said, try to READ a little about the topic before you post.

 

[Butler1000]

If they apply at the border, they legally have to be admitted into the US until their refugee claim is heard and determined.

Like I said, try to READ a little about the topic before you post.

They can only apply legally at a border crossing. Anywhere else and they have first illegally crossed into the USA. You're a lawyer. You do understand as well as anyone the catch 22. And that always existed.

It's just now it's being enforced. What Trump has said is now if you try to cross illegally, get caught and claim to be a refugee you will not be believed. That it will be automatic grounds for denial of refugee status.


Whatever the legal hair splitting the end result will be deportation.

 

[mandrill]

They can only apply legally at a border crossing. Anywhere else and they have first illegally crossed into the USA. You're a lawyer. You do understand as well as anyone the catch 22. And that always existed.

It's just now it's being enforced. What Trump has said is now if you try to cross illegally, get caught and claim to be a refugee you will not be believed. That it will be automatic grounds for denial of refugee status.


Whatever the legal hair splitting the end result will be deportation.

Butler, let me do this gently...............

The existing congressional immigration laws and the UN Convention on Refugees both allow claims from inland. It doesn't matter that the person has snuck into the country across the tundra. Or the Arizona desert. They get to make the claim. THAT'S the law.

Trump can't change that because Congress passed a fucking law on the topic. And he can't instruct US Immigration officials to disbelieve refugee claimants who illegally entered the US on the merits of their refugee claims because it's a gross abuse of due process. It's like Trudeau telling judges that they don't believe criminals defendants if they're wearing sneakers or some irrelevant shit like that. It's nonsense. The ACLU will go bananas and be filing mandamus in every court in the States 50 times a day - and they'll win each and every case.

You're wasting everybody's time. You're just shit-shooting nonsense off the top of your head on a topic you have no concept about.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

They can only apply legally at a border crossing. Anywhere else and they have first illegally crossed into the USA. You're a lawyer. You do understand as well as anyone the catch 22. And that always existed.

So trump will do as he did previously- ie shut down the border crossings and jam asylum seekers up in line ups that last for days/weeks. This was what happened last time that led to a small number of asylum seekers giving up on the line and trying to enter illegally across the desert...except this time Trump is instructing his troops to use these people as target practice.