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Trump and his team were in contact with Russia for the last year - NYT

Butler1000

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Thank you for proving my point.

Bringing up Hillary has nothing to do with Trump's actions.
I agree. Hillary has nothing to do with this administration. She has nothing to do with the federal gov't as well. Nor is she in any way connected with any investigation.

She is now a non entity, persona non grata in political circles. A spent force internationally without influence to peddle.

She can do no more damage selling the office she is in. Thankfully.
 

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If you went beyond the headline it says that the bits confirmed have nothing to do with Trump.

As I said before. I whole lot of "six degrees of separation" so far without a shred of credible connection.
As said before, the Trump dossier is being confirmed, bit by bit.
There is much more to do, but so far instead of being proven wrong its only been shown correct.
 

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I agree. Hillary has nothing to do with this administration. She has nothing to do with the federal gov't as well. Nor is she in any way connected with any investigation.

She is now a non entity, persona non grata in political circles. A spent force internationally without influence to peddle.

She can do no more damage selling the office she is in. Thankfully.
So what was the purpose of bringing her name up in a discussion of Trump's interaction with the Ruskies?
 

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We will know whether Trump is a Russian stooge if he lifts the sanctions on Russia while Russia is still waging war in Ukraine, Georgia, etc.

Trump's puppet master doesn't care who is on the National Security Council. Putin wants the sanctions removed and a blind eye turned to his imperial wars of terroritorial expansion.
 

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So what was the purpose of bringing her name up in a discussion of Trump's interaction with the Ruskies?
Actually basketcase brought her up. I responded accordingly. I would happily see her and her legacy forgotten.
 

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I didn't expect parody to be lost on Shack.

Trump should be very careful about getting into bed with Putin, but the effect he had on the last election is overblown. Hillary lost the election well enough on her own.

Putin is estimated to be worth $50 - 80 billion. The Sochi Olympics cost $50 billion, most of that money ended up in Swiss and Cypriot bank accounts. In contrast, the Vancouver Olympics cost $11 billion. Trump should wait Putin out, not kiss his ring. Like past American administrations waited out the Soviet Union, it would have collapsed much sooner if the Saudis had not extended them a lifeline with their Oil Embargo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/did-the-winter-olympics-in-sochi-really-cost-50-billion-a-closer-look-at-that-figure/2014/02/10/a29e37b4-9260-11e3-b46a-5a3d0d2130da_story.html?utm_term=.d8e6746b03a5
 

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I didn't expect parody to be lost on Shack.

Trump should be very careful about getting into bed with Putin, but the effect he had on the last election is overblown. Hillary lost the election well enough on her own.

Putin is estimated to be worth $50 - 80 billion. The Sochi Olympics cost $50 billion, most of that money ended up in Swiss and Cypriot bank accounts. In contrast, the Vancouver Olympics cost $11 billion. Trump should wait Putin out, not kiss his ring. Like past American administrations waited out the Soviet Union, it would have collapsed much sooner if the Saudis had not extended them a lifeline with their Oil Embargo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/did-the-winter-olympics-in-sochi-really-cost-50-billion-a-closer-look-at-that-figure/2014/02/10/a29e37b4-9260-11e3-b46a-5a3d0d2130da_story.html?utm_term=.d8e6746b03a5
I've seen estimates that Putin could be worth as much as $200 billion vs $1-3 for Trump (though nobody knows how big his debts are).


Trump's latest claims that he was not in contact with Russian officials during the election contradict claims by Russian officials.
Two days after Mr Trump’s election victory, the Russian deputy foreign minister, Sergei Ryabkov, said his government had been in touch with Mr Trump’s advisers during the campaign.

“I cannot say that all, but a number of them maintained contacts with Russian representatives”, Mr Ryabkov told the Interfax news agency. Mr Trump’s team immediately denied the claims.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-campaign-us-security-services-a7592526.html

Another Trump lie it appears.
 

Butler1000

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I've seen estimates that Putin could be worth as much as $200 billion vs $1-3 for Trump (though nobody knows how big his debts are).


Trump's latest claims that he was not in contact with Russian officials during the election contradict claims by Russian officials.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-campaign-us-security-services-a7592526.html

Another Trump lie it appears.
Yes. And contact with Canadian reps. And Mexican reps. And British reps. And reps with many countries. And so did the Clinton campaign. We met with her 8 times. So what?
 

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Yes. And contact with Canadian reps. And Mexican reps. And British reps. And reps with many countries. And so did the Clinton campaign. We met with her 8 times. So what?
Were those countries in the process of hacking the US government and democratic party to change the outcome of the election?
 

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Were those countries in the process of hacking the US government and democratic party to change the outcome of the election?
Dude. I'm betting the Iranians had reps meet them. And all gov'ts hack eachother. The meetings had nothing to do with any nefarious activity. It was standard diplomatic feelers.

Seriously you are seeing conspiracy where none exists.
 

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Dude. I'm betting the Iranians had reps meet them. And all gov'ts hack eachother. The meetings had nothing to do with any nefarious activity. It was standard diplomatic feelers.

Seriously you are seeing conspiracy where none exists.
Me and half of the US.
Polls say that more Americans are worried about Trump's Russian connections then are supporters of Trump.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...ut-trump-administrations-relationsh/21718278/

The last poll I read said only 7% of Americans fully support Trump's actions to date.
You are in the minority.
 

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Dude. I'm betting the Iranians had reps meet them. And all gov'ts hack eachother. The meetings had nothing to do with any nefarious activity. It was standard diplomatic feelers.

Seriously you are seeing conspiracy where none exists.
I'm not buying this. I don't think Canada tried to hack into the servers of US political parties. I think your attempt at a justification of what Russia did is pathetic.
 

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Me and half of the US.
Polls say that more Americans are worried about Trump's Russian connections then are supporters of Trump.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...ut-trump-administrations-relationsh/21718278/

The last poll I read said only 7% of Americans fully support Trump's actions to date.
You are in the minority.
OK. Sure. I'm betting that those approval ratings are off. Anyway when the investigation is complete and the finding made public is when I will worry about it.

Right now I see lots of public statements denouncing Russia and not lifting sanctions so I dont see any favoritism at this point. Let me know when he drops sanctions ok?

The rest so far has been all vague speculation, accusation and that's about it.

I'm waiting right now to see if he can fix the EO immigration restriction failure into something that will pass muster. If he does then be worried.

It means he is learning how it works.
 

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I'm not buying this. I don't think Canada tried to hack into the servers of US political parties. I think your attempt at a justification of what Russia did is pathetic.
You are assuming the meetings had something to do with the hacks. I am stating the meetings were standard practice.

You do realize it's possible the diplomatic side didn't know if a hack occurred right?
 

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The low approval ratings are consistent with his or election unpopularity. He was the least popular candidate to win, the least popular president elect, and now the least popular first quarter president.

Very few Americans actually like him. Even among those who voted for him quite a few either just voted for the Supreme Court seat, or voted Trump only because they disliked him less.

You have to remember it was a race between the two most unpopular candidates in history and he emerged as the better of two evils in the minds of most of his own voters, INCLUDING YOU. That's how you yourself put it.

Being the lesser evil isn't a ringing endorsement. He's just that unpopular
 

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You are assuming the meetings had something to do with the hacks. I am stating the meetings were standard practice.

You do realize it's possible the diplomatic side didn't know if a hack occurred right?
Why did the Trump campaign lie about their extensive and regular meetings with Russian intelligence during the campaign?

Had their emails been made public then American voters would have seen Trump lying about his connections to Russia and his unsavory Russian connections could have been debated.

You said at the time Clinton's emails were released that there was no reason to think there was any dirt in the Trump campaign emails.

Well, there sure as hell was dirt!
 

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OK. Sure. I'm betting that those approval ratings are off. Anyway when the investigation is complete and the finding made public is when I will worry about it.
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I'm waiting right now to see if he can fix the EO immigration restriction failure into something that will pass muster. If he does then be worried.

It means he is learning how it works.
In the meantime, you could read more about his cohort, Felix Slater, and his Russian connections.
Quite interesting.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a53314/trump-russia-felix-sater/
 

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As this thread needs to be near the top at all times to remind everyone that there is a traitor in the Oval Office. And that members of the campaign, including his 2 douchebag sons and that classless Marie -Attoinette byatch daughter of his conspired with Russian intelligence to defraud the American public.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...2/all-possible-ties-between-trump-and-russia/

The possible ties between Trump and Russia, explained

President Donald Trump recently dismissed reports about his possible ties to Russia as a "scam" by the media and bitter political opponents.

Yet as the stories pile up, calls are coming from both sides of the aisle for congressional investigations. The FBI is already investigating Trump associates’ Russia connections. Some of Trump’s critics see a sort of conspiracy, in which Russia President Vladimir Putin is pulling the strings in the White House, and Trump may or may not be a willing participant.

The slew of accusations has our heads spinning, so we decided to summarize the big ones here, for our edification and yours. We’ll update if any more significant claims emerge.

A note of caution: Many of these claims are based on interviews other journalists conducted with unnamed sources. We don’t use unnamed sources at PolitiFact, so we couldn’t independently verify their reports.

Claim 1: Putin ordered operatives to influence the U.S. presidential election and sought to elect Trump over Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.

Evidence: Of the allegations tying Trump to Russia, this one has the most thorough confirmation from the government — notably a Jan. 6, 2017, report out of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. The report said Putin himself "ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election." Agents also concluded that the Russian government prefered Trump over Clinton, and they intended to undermine Americans’ faith in the electoral system.

Private cybersecurity analysts have said for months that all signs point to Russia.

In the most high-profile example of their election interference, Russian hackers stole emails from the Democratic National Committee and gave them to WikiLeaks. Russian actors also gained access to several states’ electoral agencies. There is no evidence, however, that Russia tampered with vote tallying on Election Day.

U.S. government response: Reacting to Russia’s malicious cyber activity during the election, former President Barack Obama imposed new sanctions on Russia in December 2016.

During the campaign and in the weeks following the election, Trump avoided naming Russia as the perpetrator of election-related cyber attacks. But he conceded the point in a pre-inauguration news conference Jan. 11, 2017.

Claim 2: Russia has tried for years to manipulate Trump using lucrative business deals, and Russian operatives have collected compromising information that could potentially be used to blackmail Trump.

Evidence: These allegations are based on a 35-page dossier of opposition research on Trump, prepared by a former British intelligence officer hired by Trump’s Republican and Democratic rivals during the election. The dossier contained numerous explosive but unverified claims.

The man who prepared the original 35-page dossier, Christopher Steele, is respected for his intelligence work, particularly in Russia. However, because the claims remain uncorroborated, they should be viewed with skepticism.

The dossier circulated among Washington lawmakers, intelligence agents and journalists for months before becoming public knowledge, when unnamed U.S. officials told CNN in January 2017 that intelligence officers presented Trump with a summary of the document.

U.S. government response: The FBI is examining ties between Trump’s associates and influential Russians, based in part on the dossier. Trump and others named in the report, including the Russian government, have denied the allegations across the board.

Claim 3: Members of Trump’s inner circle were in contact with Russian intelligence officials throughout the campaign.

Evidence: The main source for the latest news on this topic is the New York Times, which based its Feb. 14, 2017, report on four unnamed American officials. The officials told New York Times reporters that phone records show Trump associates communicated with senior Russian officials — including Trump’s one-time campaign chair Paul Manafort — but they have not found these calls to be evidence of collusion to disrupt the election.

This New York Times report is the latest and most concrete in a series of similar claims. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told a Russian media outlet in November that "there were contacts" with the Trump campaign.

Several Trump associates have done business in Russia. Manafort has long and deep ties to pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine, having worked for Viktor Yanukovych, the country’s pro-Putin former president. Trump’s former campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page advised Russian gas giant Gazprom, and ousted Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn attended a gala for state media network RT with Putin.

U.S. government response: The Trump administration, as well as his associates named in the reports, have denied that they ever communicated with Russian intelligence operatives during the election. Trump also asked the Justice Department to look into the "illegal leaks" to the media about ongoing intelligence investigations.

Claim 4: Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn lied about the nature of his conversations with the Russian ambassador.

Evidence: The Washington Post reported Feb. 9, 2017, that Flynn privately discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States, between Election Day and the inauguration..

Flynn, Vice President Mike Pence and other members of the Trump administration had previously acknowledged that Flynn spoke with Kislyak during the transition period. But they also said Flynn didn’t talk about sanctions during those conversations. This is significant because Flynn possibly lied to the FBI, and he may have violated a law that bans private citizens from negotiating with foreign leaders.

The Washington Post report was based on unnamed sources, but after it came out, Flynn acknowledged that he had "inadvertently briefed the vice president-elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian ambassador."

U.S. government response: Flynn resigned from his post, after less than a month on the job. Trump called Flynn a "wonderful man" and blamed his resignation on the media, who treated him "very, very unfairly."

Claim 5: Trump associates are pushing for a backchannel deal between Ukraine and Russia.

Evidence: On Feb. 19, 2017, the New York Times reported about three men pushing for a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine: Ukrainian lawmaker Andrii Artemenko, Russian-born Trump business associate Felix Sater, and Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen.

The three men met at a Manhattan hotel in January and have confirmed this account to other journalists. Artemenko said his plan got the stamp of approval from Putin.

Cohen told the New York Times that he delivered a copy of the proposal to Flynn before he resigned, but he has denied that fact to other news outlets. According to the article, Cohen is married to a Ukrainian woman and once worked on an ethanol business there.

U.S. government response: The only White House response so far came from an unnamed administration official, quoted by Business Insider as saying the story is "an absurd attempt to distract" from Trump's activities as president.

Claim 6: Trump has extensive financial ties to Russia.

Evidence: We don’t know the extent of Trump’s business dealings in Russia, in part because he hasn’t released his tax returns. But journalists have pulled together examples of Trump seeking out business opportunities in Russia or with Russian buyers throughout his career.

For example, Trump agreed to host the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow in 2013, a $20 million deal facilitated by Russian real estate mogul and billionaire Aras Agalarov. He also made millions selling a 17-bedroom Florida mansion to a Russian billionaire. His son, Donald Trump Jr., said in a 2008 real estate conference that "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets."

No tangible evidence has turned up that Trump’s business history in Russia controls his actions as president, though some critics have speculated that this is the case.

Trump has not divested from the Trump Organization. A lawyer said the business will not conduct any foreign deals going forward. However, that declaration leaves many loopholes, and the Office of Government Ethics has said Trump’s conflict-of-interest prevention plan is inadequate.

U.S. government response: Trump has said repeatedly that he does not have any potentially problematic business interests in Russia.

"Russia has never tried to use leverage over me. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!" he tweeted Jan. 11, 2017.
 
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