First you complain that its too high, then you complain its too low, then you complain that its regressive, then you complain its ineffective.
The world is moving to carbon taxes, its what must be done.
Do you have kids?
Pay this tax for them.
Trudeau to unveil carbon tax plan Tuesday for provinces that don't comply
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The world is moving to carbon taxes, its what must be done.
Do you have kids?
Pay this tax for them.
Most general contractors (i.e. the ones who can afford new mega pickup trucks, vs a trade), especially in the GTA don't use their pickups to transport materials. Building suppliers deliver right to the jobsite. So in fact, the pickups are under utilized vs the smaller "full sized" pickups that used to be around. My neighbourhood is always full of contractors and most drive pristine massive pickup trucks - park them, have a coffee in them, check their emails in them - at most tow a contractor trailer. Notice that contractor trailers are more common now because pickups have become quasi-luxury vehicles, so many contractors would rather tow a trailer with tools to the job-site because the trailers can dropped off for the day and locked and it keeps scratches on their shiny pickup to a minimum. Most tradesman will drive smaller vehicles (like the Ford transit) - just large enough to hold their tools safely and securely. If a trade needs to carry more tools or specialty material - they will get a Sprinter sized vehicle. Nowadays - pickups are used less and less by a tradesman because there are better, more economical choices available. Fully loaded - Pickups are priced now into the status symbol range, which is why my neighbourhood is full of them, parked on the street, to be used to transport hockey bags and the odd bag of peat moss.So basically you want to say get rid of all the pick up trucks? Great. I'm sure all the contractors in the city can transport materials in a Prius.......
Where have I said it’s to high or too low? It’s a cynical tax that will do nothing but lower the standard of living for all Canadians. It will cost jobs and lower your disposable income. Trudeau is making it as he goes, first he says everybody will pay yet large industrial emissions are exempt then he states our efforts will make no difference. It’s another case of fucking the middle and working classes......keep drinking the Kool aid.First you complain that its too high, then you complain its too low, then you complain that its regressive, then you complain its ineffective.
The world is moving to carbon taxes, its what must be done.
Do you have kids?
Pay this tax for them.
Not if its revenue neutral, then all it will do is punish those who pollute more.Where have I said it’s to high or too low? It’s a cynical tax that will do nothing but lower the standard of living for all Canadians. It will cost jobs and lower your disposable income. Trudeau is making it as he goes, first he says everybody will pay yet large industrial emissions are exempt then he states our efforts will make no difference. It’s another case of fucking the middle and working classes......keep drinking the Kool aid.
Its the best move forward.
The tax is nowhere near being revenue neutral by design. Want it to be revenue neutral? Do an actuarial assessment what the true cost will be, include things like HST on top of the tax and things like that, then mail a quarterly or monthly cheque to Canadians. Don’t come with this popcorn fart of a notion that it’ll cast your household $300/ yearly and to make it up to you we’ll give you a yet undefined “tax rebate or credit is deductions “ for those who think that the government will reimburse all your money. The only ones being punished are Canadian families. Want it to be neutral, cut income taxes by 10-15% across the board giving Canadians more disposable income! Fat chance that will happen.Not if its revenue neutral, then all it will do is punish those who pollute more.
Its the best move forward.
This is really dumb part.He has committed to refunding all the money collected in each province on a province by province basis. If you are a huge emitter of carbon then yes, you won't get all your money back. Trade your Yukon Denali for a Leaf and you will get it back. That is the kind of behavior they are trying to encourage.
Thinking you can control others behaviour via taxation
do you think a trucking company is going to stop or reduce trucking?
No, they will pass it on to the consumer & that is going to get tacked onto every item that sees the inside of a truck, food , clothing, medicine furniture etc
No way in hell that Justin's tax credits will be able to offset the inflation this moron is going to cause
& for the poor who pay next to no tax, what good is a credit?
But the cost of their necessities (Milk, bread, clothing) arriving via truck will go up a lot faster than inflation. what a dope!
You're not very bright if you think taxes don't influence society.This is really dumb part.
Thinking you can control others behaviour via taxation
This isn't about 'controlling' a population, but influencing it for the better of society.
Did you hear that humanity has wiped out 60% of vertebrates across the planet since 1970?
Do you think that is good and should continue, or do you think it would be worth slowing down wiping out the wildlife of the planet?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/living-plant-wwf-2018-1.4882819
Your not very bright. PeriodYou're not very bright if you think taxes don't influence society.
This isn't about 'controlling' a population, but influencing it for the better of society.
Did you hear that humanity has wiped out 60% of vertebrates across the planet since 1970?
Do you think that is good and should continue, or do you think it would be worth slowing down wiping out the wildlife of the planet?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/living-plant-wwf-2018-1.4882819
You distinguish between controlling and influencing
If the end result is only to have influenced rather than controlled then the objective will not have been meet.
Ask an adult to explain this to you
Do not kid yourself, it is an attempt to control peoples behaviour via taxation & that is another surefire fail loonie pipedream
Prohibition did not work
The war on drugs did not work
You will never overcome poverty
You will never see the day when human rights are observed world wide
Poaching is never going away
A host of other behavioural problems have been "influenced" for centuries but still exist (murder, child abuse, abuse of women, corruption etc)
Why do the loonies always think they can control others behaviour?
Explain his work in detail pleaseThe Nobel Prize was just handed out to an economist who showed that carbon taxes are by far the best way forward.
Unless you're claiming you are smarter then the Nobel winner, I think you're wrong on this issue.
After all if you are going to stake your position behind his guy, you should understand his work in detail
I know it is material which is more advanced than grade 10, however maybe you can get an adult to explain it to you
That should be:Your not very bright. Period
You're not very bright.
By the way, raising taxes on cigarettes then banning smoking indoors, combined with advertising rules and education, has lead to a massive decline is smoking.
Taxes and policy can work.
In detail?Explain his work in detail please
After all if you are going to stake your position behind his guy, you should understand his work in detail
I know it is material which is more advanced than grade 10, however maybe you can get an adult to explain it to you
What's the point, you won't understand it.
Try this:
Raise taxes on carbon and people will try to avoid using fuels that put CO2 in the air.
I think that's as much detail as you're capable of handling.
I am saying that you do not understand it stupidIn detail?
What's the point, you won't understand it.
You are a sheep bleating denier, denier, denier
Explain his work in detail
Try this stupid, more than half of the energy consumed in Canada is via Natural gas (heating) and electricity (lighting)Try this:
Raise taxes on carbon and people will try to avoid using fuels that put CO2 in the air.
Mostly non discretionary !!!!
Fossil fuel are 41% mostly used to get to work, get the kids & get the food the kids need & heat the home the kids live in or it is business industrial consumption
Again mostly non discretionary
You are not going to see big shifts in behavior
It will only be Ottawa redistributing money after spending 10-20% of it
Get an adult to explain the non discretionary stuff to youI think that's as much detail as you're capable of handling.
Try to read this slowly and see if you can understand it.Try this smarter person, more than half of the energy consumed in Canada is via Natural gas (heating) and electricity (lighting)
Mostly non discretionary !!!!
Fossil fuel are 41% mostly used to get to work, get the kids & get the food the kids need & heat the home the kids live in or it is business industrial consumption
Again mostly non discretionary
I know it'll be hard for you, but give it a shot.
Natural gas becomes more expensive so people use federal carbon taxes credits to insulate their house.
That way they burn less natural gas, spend about the same and put less CO2 into the atmosphere.
Electricity in Ontario shifts slightly higher (since most is hydro and nuclear).
People use carbon tax credits to switch to LED bulbs, thereby using less power and paying the same.
And they output less CO2.
Try to read this slowly and see if you can understand it.
I know it'll be hard for you, but give it a shot.
Natural gas becomes more expensive so people use federal carbon taxes credits to insulate their house.
That way they burn less natural gas, spend about the same and put less CO2 into the atmosphere.
Electricity in Ontario shifts slightly higher (since most is hydro and nuclear).
People use carbon tax credits to switch to LED bulbs, thereby using less power and paying the same.
And they output less CO2.
Do you actually believe yourself when you talk? You need to reduce your daily intake of Trudeau Kool aid by about 25% for a start.
That sounds like Jimmy Carters "wear a sweater" solution to the 1970s energy crisisTry to read this slowly and see if you can understand it.
I know it'll be hard for you, but give it a shot.
Natural gas becomes more expensive so people use federal carbon taxes credits to insulate their house.
That way they burn less natural gas, spend about the same and put less CO2 into the atmosphere.
Electricity in Ontario shifts slightly higher (since most is hydro and nuclear).
People use carbon tax credits to switch to LED bulbs, thereby using less power and paying the same.
And they output less CO2.
Please be realistic
You have not been paying attention
The inflation this fools plan will cause will not be offset by tax credits
And tax credits are of limited value to low income earners who pay little tax, yet spend a much bigger proportion of their income on CO2 producing necessities like transportation, hydro & heat.
The tax credits you claim can be used to insulate a home is supposed to the offset the tax paid, so the cost of the insulation is incremental & likly well in excess of any tax credit
High margin business can absorb the incremental cost, low margin business, not so much. The same low margin business who just had to absorb a 25% minimum wage increase & small business taxation attacks by Justin, The same group which is the primary driver of job creation
Some will pass on the cost to the consumer. Oh wait, some can't because their US competitors are not burdened with this tax, oh well they will just go out of business instead
I guess Justin will get to see how much stress the Canadian economy can handle
You really do not understand what you preach about
How will adding a small carbon tax create inflation.You have not been paying attention
The inflation this fools plan will cause will not be offset by tax credits
Show details and your full work.
Let's see you prove you are smarter than the Nobel Prize winner in economics.
It’s not a small tax, it’s a tax on everything where it’s going to be passed on to the consumers and it will add to inflation and higher interest rates. To someone like Trudeau who has always lived off the work of others doesn’t get it. To touch on your home improvements, you do know that you must first pay for the improvements and the apply for the rebate or tax credit, meaning you spend YOUR AFTER TAX money, guess what? Not everybody has an extra 10K hanging around for windows and insulation after the liberal tax increases and green energy ripoff. Typical liberal non sense!!!!How will adding a small carbon tax create inflation.
Show details and your full work.
Let's see you prove you are smarter than the Nobel Prize winner in economics.
Hyperbole.It’s not a small tax, it’s a tax on everything where it’s going to be passed on to the consumers and it will add to inflation and higher interest rates. To someone like Trudeau who has always lived off the work of others doesn’t get it. To touch on your home improvements, you do know that you must first pay for the improvements and the apply for the rebate or tax credit, meaning you spend YOUR AFTER TAX money, guess what? Not everybody has an extra 10K hanging around for windows and insulation after the liberal tax increases and green energy ripoff. Typical liberal non sense!!!!
It's a carbon tax.
Hyperbole.
It's a carbon tax
As I said, take 25% off your Kool aid intake
