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Trudeau says he doesn't understand why NDP is pulling back from carbon price support

Kautilya

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The fact they are sick of Trudeau, should have told you enough
but not you
People get sick of a leader after a couple of terms. Happens every time. Nothing new.
 

JohnLarue

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I think taxes definitely need to be cut but I dont think whether it is the CPC, the Libs or the NDP, it will change much.
what are the odds of tax relief from this set of liberals or the NDP ? Zero
what are the odds of tax relief from the CPC ? the carbon tax ? 100%

you need to drill down deeper and think things through
 

Kautilya

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what are the odds of tax relief from the CPC ? the carbon tax ? 100%

you need to drill down deeper and think things through
You need to think things through. 100% for whom? Their corporate overlords. Not for the common man.
what is new is the mountain of debt, the expanded size of govt and the tax burden
this is going to be devastating
None of that will change with the CPC. You seem to think PP is going to turn Canada upside down. He will cut immigration. Cut taxes for the rich and the corporates. However because housing prices are minimally impacted by immigration there won't be much change to housing affordability. And we won't see any change in our paychecks.
 

Frankfooter

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Right now the way they define "rich" is anyone over the median income lol. Canada's pay is half that of the US for any job, taxation is higher, cost of living is higher and overall Canadians are poorer. I think taxes definitely need to be cut but I dont think whether it is the CPC, the Libs or the NDP, it will change much.
You still need to pay for services, tax the rich and corporations more if you want lower taxes on the middle class.
 

Kautilya

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You still need to pay for services, tax the rich and corporations more if you want lower taxes on the middle class.
I agree with increasing taxes on the corporations. The rich I think need to be defined. Right now if you earn 200K you are considered rich. I think 200K in Toronto will still be middle class, but not per the definitions of the govt.
 

JohnLarue

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You need to think things through. 100% for whom? Their corporate overlords. Not for the common man.
WTF?
Pierre has made it 100% clear he will axe the carbon tax, which negatively impacts the poor and middle class
it is a consumption tax on predominately non discretionary energy needs

None of that will change with the CPC.
what part of axe the tax do you not understand

You seem to think PP is going to turn Canada upside down.
no he is just going to stop the disastrous policies of the irresponsible Trudeau

He will cut immigration.
ok

Cut taxes for the rich and the corporates.
there is no room to do that
he will have a monstrous debt to deal with

he will have to shrink the size of govt & that will be expensive

However because housing prices are minimally impacted by immigration there won't be much change to housing affordability.
wrong again, it is a demand issue

or are you going to pretend millions of new comers have not added to housing demand ?
are you going to pretend that millions more new comers will not add to future housing demand ?
tents do not work well in Canadian Winters

And we won't see any change in our paychecks.
he is not promising that
what you wont see in a PP mandate is the inflationary effects of ever increasing carbon taxes which is a done deal under the moron Trudeau

those are the facts of the matter
You need to think things through & stop pretending
 

Kautilya

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WTF?
Pierre has made it 100% clear he will axe the carbon tax, which negatively impacts the poor and middle class
it is a consumption tax on predominately non discretionary energy needs


what part of axe the tax do you not understand


no he is just going to stop the disastrous policies of the irresponsible Trudeau


ok


there is no room to do that
he will have a monstrous debt to deal with

he will have to shrink the size of govt & that will be expensive


wrong again, it is a demand issue

or are you going to pretend millions of new comers have not added to housing demand ?
are you going to pretend that millions more new comers will not add to future housing demand ?
tents do not work well in Canadian Winters


he is not promising that
what you wont see in a PP mandate is the inflationary effects of ever increasing carbon taxes which is a done deal under the moron Trudeau

those are the facts of the matter
You need to think things through & stop pretending
Carbon tax. Pfft. Pray tell me how much do you pay in carbon taxes every year? The biggest issue is the personal income tax we pay which is ridiculously high beyond a point. If you make 200K you take home, what, 100K? 50%!! None of that will change.

And you yourself produced a graph that showed housing affordability is because of supply not catching up with population growth. It is not a demand issue. We are building less houses today than we did in 1970, when the population has doubled. So even if you halt population growth, not just immigration but population growth, the affordability crisis will persist. The only solution is to build more houses, in Toronto and Vancouver and other major cities where population booms happen.
 

JohnLarue

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Carbon tax. Pfft. Pray tell me how much do you pay in carbon taxes every year? The biggest issue is the personal income tax we pay which is ridiculously high beyond a point. If you make 200K you take home, what, 100K? 50%!! None of that will change.
that's the result of irresponsible spending
you know you cant max out your credit cards without cruel reality sinking in later
you need to think things through

the bill always come due, you know that
I hope you enjoyed Trudeaus free spending ways as they are unsustaianable and you should have know that


And you yourself produced a graph that showed housing affordability is because of supply not catching up with population growth. It is not a demand issue. We are building less houses today than we did in 1970, when the population has doubled. So even if you halt population growth, not just immigration but population growth, the affordability crisis will persist. The only solution is to build more houses, in Toronto and Vancouver and other major cities where population booms happen.
or are you going to pretend millions of new comers have not added to housing demand ?
are you going to pretend that millions more new comers will not add to future housing demand ?
tents do not work well in Canadian Winters
you need to think things through

btw here is a little quizz for you
how many homes need to be built ever day between now and 2031 to achieve Trudeaus announced new 3.9 million homes ?

do the math and then pull your head out of your ass
 

Skoob

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The second one for consumers, it'll be $9 cheaper.
So maybe that business model succeeds.

The libs new budget will tax the rich, PeePee says its an attack on the middle class and the NDP want more.
Sounds like a winner for th libs.
Actually, it sounds like the Libs have put their final nail in their coffin with their out-of-touch-with-reality budget.
While I'm all for them cutting 5000 public sector workers, I'm sure many won't be.
 

roddermac

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Actually, it sounds like the Libs have put their final nail in their coffin with their out-of-touch-with-reality budget.
While I'm all for them cutting 5000 public sector workers, I'm sure many won't be.
The only public sector workers who should lose their jobs are them and their cronies.
 

TomFord1980

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The NDP want more carbon taxes on industry and the oil$gas industry, less on consumers.
The NDP fails to comprehend that the more they tax the oil and gas industry, the more these costs trickle down to the consumer and makes them poorer. Which i think is their goal.

The far left fails to understand that we need oil and gas to heat homes, drive cars, and power virtually every aspect of the economy.

Wait until they hear that fossil fuels are nedded to make their clothes. Their heads will explode.
 
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Frankfooter

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The NDP fails to comprehend that the more they tax the oil and gas industry, the more these costs trickle down to the consumer and makes them poorer. Which i think is their goal.

The far left fails to understand that we need oil and gas to heat homes, drive cars, and power virtually every aspect of the economy.

Wait until they hear that fossil fuels are nedded to make their clothes. Their heads will explode.
The oil$gas industry gets $18 billion a year in government subsidies while raking in billions in profit.
Why not cut those subsidies to give the middle class tax breaks?

 
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Skoob

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The oil$gas industry gets $18 billion a year in government subsidies while raking in billions in profit.
Why not cut those subsidies to give the middle class tax breaks?

Your usual small picture thinking...
Why don't you share the part about how much the oil & gas industry contributes to Canada's GDP and then tell us if you think $18 billion is not worth the investment.
 
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Frankfooter

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Your usual small picture thinking...
Why don't you share the part about how much the oil & gas industry contributes to Canada's GDP and then tell us if you think $18 billion is not worth the investment.
Why don't you share with us how much forest fires, floods, drought, insurance and health cares associated with breathing in exhaust and forest fires cost us? Why don't you share with us how much it will cost Canada if the AMOC shuts down?

Why do defend giving the oil&gas industry $18 billion a year in subsidies when they are raking in such massive profits?
 

Skoob

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Why don't you share with us how much forest fires, floods, drought, insurance and health cares associated with breathing in exhaust and forest fires cost us? Why don't you share with us how much it will cost Canada if the AMOC shuts down?

Why do defend giving the oil&gas industry $18 billion a year in subsidies when they are raking in such massive profits?
But I thought you commend countries that benefit from the oil & gas industry but it sounds like you only do that when it suits your narrative?

Companies are allowed to make profits. Shareholders (including pension funds) depend on those profits.
Subsidies provide a massive return on investment for the economy. Simple math that I know you struggle with.

Your extreme socialist (i.e. communist) leanings prevent you from seeing the big picture while you are too focused on padding your lifestyle with other people's money.
 
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TomFord1980

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The oil$gas industry gets $18 billion a year in government subsidies while raking in billions in profit.
Why not cut those subsidies to give the middle class tax breaks?

Frankie youre using a cartoonist to give you advice on oil and gas? Come on, do better. Everyone knows that the carbon tax gets passed onto the lower and middle class. The secret has been out for a while. Too many people choose to ignore it however.
 
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