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scubadoo

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I know you'll think I'm going out on a limb here since it isn't even November yet, but one thing that has troubled my ex-wife and I over the last month.

The question in need of answering is how to break the news to our boys ( aged 7 & 9 ) that there isn't a Santa Claus.

We just feel it is time since last year there were children telling them this fact, the boys questioned us and we just couldn't break it to them after the divorce and all.

Trouble is we don't want a repeat of last year.

Any suggestions of how to tell them without too much trauma??
 

gramage

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just sit them down, tell them about fantasy and stories and say that Santa is like the characters in the books they read. I'm bad for non-traumatic ways of doing things, I don't have much experience with them
 

daty

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We allowed BOTH of our children to "believe" as long as they wished. The funny thing was that our son (three years his sisters junior) did not want to ruin his sister's belief system long after she was aware of the truth. Now at 20 & 23 there are still "Santa" gifts in our home ........ and I'll tell you all why ....
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CUZ IT"S FUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


by the way we have never "told" them there is no Santa, Easter Bunny, Leprechans ..... cuz my wife and I STILL believe in them and look forward to all of the upcoming ghosts, gouls and goblins !!!!!



HUG your kids while you can
... i am a 49 year young. 5 foot 8 fat balding guy who gets hugs from my 6 ft 2 twenty year old son as often as I can
 

gramage

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daty said:

... i am a 49 year young. 5 foot 8 fat balding guy who gets hugs from my 6 ft 2 twenty year old son as often as I can
dad?
 

puckinbuff

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There will always be a Santa Claus

There is never any need to admit to it. They'll figure out on there own and beleive what they want to beleive. If you break the spirit it'll be broken forever. Like daty, my children are about the same age.My daughter who is the oldest is an early childhood school teacher and till this day acts like she still beleives.

Why would anyone want to ruin the spirit of it all?
 

scubadoo

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Re: There will always be a Santa Claus

puckinbuff said:
There is never any need to admit to it. They'll figure out on there own and beleive what they want to beleive. If you break the spirit it'll be broken forever. Like daty, my children are about the same age.My daughter who is the oldest is an early childhood school teacher and till this day acts like she still beleives.

Why would anyone want to ruin the spirit of it all?

Some good food for thought. I'll see what the ex has to say about it.

Thanks
 

Goober Mcfly

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Present them with the scientific evidence:

1) No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.

2) There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total - 378 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there's at least one good child in each.

3) Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75-1/2 million miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding and etc.

This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man- made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour.

4) The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal amount, we cannot do the job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload - not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to 353,430 tons. Again, for comparison - this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth.

5) 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second. Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.

In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve, he's dead now.

Don't even get me started on the Easter Bunny.

Ripped from SPY magazine (January, 1990)
 

Faith

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I remember when I asked my mother if Santa Claus was real. It was the middle of summer and I asked her if Santa Claus was real or not because I needed to know for when I got married and had children of my own (the things you think as a child..lol) I ended up with the answer is :"Do you believe he is real?" Never did get a straight answer but as the years went by, Santa Claus just became a legend. The best part about Christmas Eve was watching the news broadcasts that Santa had started delivering presents and off to bed I ran...Santa was on his way...Ho ho ho.

Never did the like the Easter bunny...only ever brought me one chocolate bunny.

Let them believe as long as they want...the tradition continues.

Ciao
Faith
 

shack

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From a parent's point of view, it's nice to see your kids retain their innocence and believing in Santa is definitely part of that, so I definitely wouldn't want to be the one to dash their dreams. I would try to be non-committal and say something like "Some people believe in him and some don't." Note, I also wouldn't outright lie to my kids that he is a real person.

If they force the issue, you can say that Santa is real, because he represents the spirit of Xmas and that indeed is very, very real. He may not be a real person, but what he represents is real and beautiful.
 

scubadoo

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shack said:
From a parent's point of view, it's nice to see your kids retain their innocence and believing in Santa is definitely part of that, so I definitely wouldn't want to be the one to dash their dreams. I would try to be non-committal and say something like "Some people believe in him and some don't." Note, I also wouldn't outright lie to my kids that he is a real person.

If they force the issue, you can say that Santa is real, because he represents the spirit of Xmas and that indeed is very, very real. He may not be a real person, but what he represents is real and beautiful.

Maybe the best thing to do is just pull up on the internet the " Yes Virgina, there is a Santa Claus" story and print a copy off. for them if they question us again this year. Maybe it is best to not to make the firts move, but if it comes up let the little guys come up with there own answer.

Works for me and we could just be non-committal as you say.
 
Don't know about Santa but he does have reigndeer

I grew up on a farm in southern Ontario and believed in Santa for a long, long time. Every Christmas Eve my Dad would set our a pail of oats for Santa's reigndeer and every Christmas morning they would be gone and spilled on the ground with many hoove prints and reigndeer shit on the ground. Little did I know that the 'Old Man would bring a couple of calves up to the back porch and feed them grain until they cranked off a good one.

The point is we all lie to our kids in one form or another. What is the big deal about lieing about something good, that really does no harm and makes everyone happy? Also, you show me a kid telling little ones that there is no Santa and I will show you an asshole with training wheels on! I received Santa gifts from my parents until they had grandkids to give the presents to. I am really looking forwards to Christmas with my two-year old because I get to live Santa through my child's eyes!

What's with Christmas already - we haven't even made it to Halloween!
 

scubadoo

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Re: Don't know about Santa but he does have reigndeer

The Challenger said:

What's with Christmas already - we haven't even made it to Halloween!
I had to start early Challenger. If we can't find common ground, my ex-wife's lawyer is so good he could have this thing tied up in court until the start of Boxing Day.
 
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