Toronto Sun - Ontario teachers headed for court
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Interesting question rld had. Do you think it would it be wrong for a union to use their dues to sue their employer?
Technically, the employers are the school boards -- and the boards could very well side with the unions in the lawsuit, as happened when the Ontario Public School Boards' Association joined the unions in the (ultimately unsuccessful) challenge to the Conservative government's Bill 160.Interesting question rld had. Do you think it would it be wrong for a union to use their dues to sue their employer?
That said, the more interesting (and still unanswered) question is how do Liberals feel about McGuinty's attack on collective bargaining?
The system,...My tax money is used by unions to sue the government, their employer, to increase their income, and my tax rate !!!!
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Ok help me out here.I'll TRY to explain this to you,...going to be difficult,...but I'll try,...ITS NOT ONE EMPLOYEE, ITS A CIVIL SERVANT UNION, .
Let me know if you don't comprehend,...I'm here to help you !!!
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So you're saying that your tax money that goes to the government that goes to paying government employee salaries that goes to paying the union dues which then the union pays lawyers to sue the government is what's causing your tax rate to go up?
Does this also hold true when you buy a product from a unionized company in the private sector? Doesn't your money to purchase of a product eventually end up in the hands of the union to sue the company that eventually makes the product price go up and you pay more of your income for the product?
This is part of capitalism is it not?
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The tax rate will will have to be increased to cover that.
Government services have no relation to capitalism,...there,s no profit and loss,...teachers do not get more income because they produced more efficiently or did a better job,...only because they belong to a union, and believe they are special. Hope that helps.
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If the civil servant union sues the government for an increase in income, in what ever form, and then recieves that increase,... that money has to come from some were,... it does NOT come from some magic printing press in a basement some were.Ok help me out here.
So you're saying that your tax money that goes to the government that goes to paying government employee salaries that goes to paying the union dues which then the union pays lawyers to sue the government is what's causing your tax rate to go up?
The tax rate will will have to be increased to cover that.
Government services have no relation to capitalism,...there,s no profit and loss,...teachers do not get more income because they produced more efficiently or did a better job,...only because they belong to a union, and believe they are special. Hope that helps.
First,...we are NOT talking about the private sector, but in any case,...private sector unions do NOT sue for more income,...and if that industry doesn't perform,...it and the emplyees are gone,...thats capitalism. Hope that helps.Does this also hold true when you buy a product from a unionized company in the private sector? Doesn't your money to purchase of a product eventually end up in the hands of the union to sue the company that eventually makes the product price go up and you pay more of your income for the product?
This is part of capitalism is it not?
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Yes,...when its me.Interesting question rld had. Do you think it would it be wrong for a union to use their dues to sue their employer?
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To be fair the teacher's union won't be suing for more income either. They will be suing for violations of what they believe there corrective bargaining rights are.First,...we are NOT talking about the private sector, but in any case,...private sector unions do NOT sue for more income,...and if that industry doesn't perform,...it and the emplyees are gone,...thats capitalism. Hope that helps.
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Ah...now I get it. If your employer screwed you over it would be okay for you to sue them, but not for anybody else.Yes,...when its me.
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It is the "me first and one law for me and one law for everybody else" approach.
At least you are making your absurd position clear.
Do me a favour, feel free to lobby for a law that says my employees can't sue me with their wages either.
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I'm here to help, FAST
Please let me know what you don't understand about my statement in post #21.Ah...now I get it. If your employer screwed you over it would be okay for you to sue them, but not for anybody else.
It is the "me first and one law for me and one law for everybody else" approach.
At least you are making your absurd position clear.
Do me a favour, feel free to lobby for a law that says my employees can't sue me with their wages either.
I'm here to help, FAST
Its all about money
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Would they be suing for violating their rights IF they were NOT having their wages frozen ??To be fair the teacher's union won't be suing for more income either. They will be suing for violations of what they believe there corrective bargaining rights are.
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Where did you guys here the union will be suing the government? I must have missed that news and a google search turned up empty.
Regardless, it appears the Liberals will go through with legislation to freeze wages, the NDP will oppose of course for obvious reasons, and the Conservatives have to vote for the freeze considering they have been advocating a freeze of all civil servants for months now and they would look foolish if they went back on their position. McGuinty pretty well has a lock on this.
Regardless, it appears the Liberals will go through with legislation to freeze wages, the NDP will oppose of course for obvious reasons, and the Conservatives have to vote for the freeze considering they have been advocating a freeze of all civil servants for months now and they would look foolish if they went back on their position. McGuinty pretty well has a lock on this.
A union is simply a group of employees. Your point remains as childish and self centered as it started. The reason I asked is that is was so childish I didn't think I had understood you correctly. But it appears I have.Please let me know what you don't understand about my statement in post #21.
I'm here to help, FAST
Yup. They could sue if all sorts of working conditions were unilaterally imposed etc. I bet it has even happened in the past.Would they be suing for violating their rights IF they were NOT having their wages frozen ??
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Unfortunately we have this thing called inflation which means costs of everything go up which means that if people don't get raises, they are effectively getting paid less for the same job....
Government services have no relation to capitalism,...there,s no profit and loss,...teachers do not get more income because they produced more efficiently or did a better job,...only because they belong to a union, and believe they are special. Hope that helps. ...
That's what I love about many Rob Ford style right wingers; they demand their rights get protected but screw everyone else.Yes,...when its me.
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I could see the Cons vote against it mainly to force an election but with the claim that the bill does not go far enough and only freezes wages of one sector.Where did you guys here the union will be suing the government? I must have missed that news and a google search turned up empty.
Regardless, it appears the Liberals will go through with legislation to freeze wages, the NDP will oppose of course for obvious reasons, and the Conservatives have to vote for the freeze considering they have been advocating a freeze of all civil servants for months now and they would look foolish if they went back on their position. McGuinty pretty well has a lock on this.
Hudak has probably kept a low profile because Dalton is doing such a wonderful job alienating a large part of the Liberals' voting base. Why interfere with a good thing?How much more can you go when you freeze their wages? Take away/slash benefits? I think the Cons will not look to good if they do that, Hudak has kept a low profile on this issue lately for some reason.
Hudak is also probably keeping a low profile because Dalton is doing such a smashing job alienating any principled Liberals (assuming they exist, despite their "low profile" in response to my comments about Dalton crushing collective bargaining).
As for measures Hudak may take to freeze all public sector wages, and/or to prevent any teachers from rising in the grid? Well, those measures could only pass with support from McGuinty's Liberals.
The proposed court case was in my original post. The teachers' unions are saying they will challenge the wage-freeze legislation in court: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/17/ontario-teachers-heading-for-courtWhere did you guys here the union will be suing the government? I must have missed that news and a google search turned up empty.
That is also mentioned in a Toronto Star story from today: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-to-push-through-bill-freezing-teachers-wages
The two unions have threatened to take the government to court over the bill for taking away their right to bargain, but Milloy maintained the province has done its “due diligence” by trying to negotiate first.
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Same old
Sorta changed you tune here though,...again.
You have to understand, but I guess you don't, that an individual suing an employer,...is not quite the same as a union suing an employer, a whole different ball game,...isn't it.
If you need help with that,...I have a lot patience.
So,...you not understanding that there is a BIG difference between a single employee, and a union,...somehow gives you the right to your usual downward slide to insults,...or is it that you have the inability to admit you are wrong,...THAT is childish !!!!
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WOW,...so you FINALLY admitted that its not an employee suing the government,...its a union.A union is simply a group of employees. Your point remains as childish and self centered as it started. The reason I asked is that is was so childish I didn't think I had understood you correctly. But it appears I have.
Sorta changed you tune here though,...again.
You have to understand, but I guess you don't, that an individual suing an employer,...is not quite the same as a union suing an employer, a whole different ball game,...isn't it.
If you need help with that,...I have a lot patience.
So,...you not understanding that there is a BIG difference between a single employee, and a union,...somehow gives you the right to your usual downward slide to insults,...or is it that you have the inability to admit you are wrong,...THAT is childish !!!!
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