Toronto is going insane

HentaiRanger

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it all depends where you shop. Therevhave.always been expensive companions.
the market will decide, if it is inflated the price will drop when clients stop paying.As long as clients are willing to pay more the prices will go up.

some MPAs still dont understand, they arent thebobethat being.targeted, it is the clients.
 

ValeriaBeleza

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I have REALLY hard time parting with 3 bills for an hour...that's my hard limit. I just can't justify more to myself...
If an escort CAN get more, good for her. I don't have any problem with it, I just won't be seeing her.
Thankfully there are plenty of really great (amazing, actually) ladies at $300 or under...bless their hearts :)
Yup! Many of us, who have raised rates recently, grandfather the rates and/or provide discounts.
From a recent conversation with a very prominent provider and member of the board seems that the reasons for raising rates are: scheduling, demand and perception of the competition.
On the first scenario (scheduling) her now limited availability means a select rooster of customers and hence the spike on the rate. I also read on another post that the provider increased the rate because wanted to limit demand and provide better service. And finally, when you monitor the offering the other ladies at a certain price point, then you have a baseline to consider a raise or drop on your own offering. Some ladies may not drop rates but will limit service or menu options.
I do believe it's hard for a hobbyist to find that perfect equilibrium of quality and price of service offered but when said hobbyist found that special sp then price is irrelevant. IMHO.
 

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Yup! Many of us, who have raised rates recently, grandfather the rates and/or provide discounts.
From a recent conversation with a very prominent provider and member of the board seems that one of the main reason for raising rates is scheduling; her now limited availability means a select rooster of customers and hence the spike on the rate. I also read on another post that the provider increased the rate because wanted to limit demand and revise better service.
I do believer it's hard for a hobbyist yo find that perfect equilibrium of quality and price of service offered but when said hobbyist found that special sp then price is irrelevant. IMHO.
Lol, price is never irrelevant, its always part of the equation.
The part about decreasing the demand to align with availablity is certainly true. But there are also a lot of gals who throw their hat in the ring at a high price, and just hang out until a sucker pays.

At the end of the day boys - an expensive date doesn't guarantee any of: a good time, a better lay, or more intelligence or anything. Expensive dates are just that, expensive.

Yes ive been on some 'crazy' expensive 15k plus dates, they were great and memorable but really the same could have been had with a civie for 2k, or a less expensive date for 4k and honestly I can tell you the experience could have been just as good or even better.

IHMO Gents - make your dates based on connection at a reasonable price don't fund an ego, don't fund condescension, don't fund 'not real people'.
You've worked hard for your money to let some 2 bit sale pitch that you know won't deliver any better goods, take advantage of your generosity.
 

ValeriaBeleza

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Lol, price is never irrelevant, its always part of the equation.
The part about decreasing the demand to align with availablity is certainly true. But there are also a lot of gals who throw their hat in the ring at a high price, and just hang out until a sucker pays.

At the end of the day boys - an expensive date doesn't guarantee any of: a good time, a better lay, or more intelligence or anything. Expensive dates are just that, expensive.

Yes ive been on some 'crazy' expensive 15k plus dates, they were great and memorable but really the same could have been had with a civie for 2k, or a less expensive date for 4k and honestly I can tell you the experience could have been just as good or even better.

IHMO Gents - make your dates based on connection at a reasonable price don't fund an ego, don't fund condescension, don't fund 'not real people'.
You've worked hard for your money to let some 2 bit sale pitch that you know won't deliver any better goods, take advantage of your generosity.
+1

and based on what you just stated I believe you agree that price is relevant when making a choice of provider and it would be secondary once you've found the provider that really 'delivers' what has been said on a 'sales pitch ' then the perception is not whether or not is expensive but worth it.
 

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I visit Toronto frequently for work, once a month at least. In the past couple of months, the proliferation, especially on EROS, of ladies asking 400/500/600 per hour and even more, has gone insane. New ladies, with no reviews, no history (at least not with that name as some are undoubtedly former agency girls), fancy websites and the belief their vagina's are gilded with gold. I guess they aren't paying attention to the economy? Who is booking these women? It's honestly depressing, Toronto used to be my favorite place to play. Not so much anymore.
Personally I haven't noticed any change in rates, but then I very seldom use agencies. There are lots and lots of great independent sps that charge $80hh - $100hh, and many more @ $120hh. Just do some research. I hobby 4X week so like to keep reasonable budget LOL !
 

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and based on what you just stated I believe you agree that price is relevant when making a choice of provider and it would be secondary once you've found the provider that really 'delivers' what has been said on a 'sales pitch ' then the perception is not whether or not is expensive but worth it.
I dunno. If you're saying that price is irrelevant once you find a provider that 'delivers' for you, I'd still say you're wrong. If my favorite SP is charging $X and over time (for whaever reason) the price increases beyond what I will pay (for whatever reason) I will no longer visit. It's happened before and will happen again. Like the ladies are more than free to set their price, we are more than free to not visit.
 

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+1

and based on what you just stated I believe you agree that price is relevant when making a choice of provider and it would be secondary once you've found the provider that really 'delivers' what has been said on a 'sales pitch ' then the perception is not whether or not is expensive but worth it.
What I've found is when you do find a good provider with good chemistry and they all of sudden jack up their prices, they normally make exceptions to the increase with preferred clients.
 

gtx780

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What I've found is when you do find a good provider with good chemistry and they all of sudden jack up their prices, they normally make exceptions to the increase with preferred clients.
100% agree. I saw couple of good bp girls for 100 hh and I recommended to my friends. Now most of them are 120hh or 140hh. No more recommendation I guess
 

shack

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I'd still like to hear an explanation why there are so many indies charging significantly more than the agencies. There are lots of lovely ladies at very reputable agencies at a rate of $250-$300. The indy rate seems to start at $300 and then go up by $50 increments. I know there are expenses to be paid but no more, I'd imagine, than an agency and the pot is not split as many ways as agencies have to.

As far as quality, as others have attested, it is not uncommon to get less than stellar dates from some high priced indies. We are risking more without any assurances of a better experience than if seeing a $250 agency girl.

So I'm interested in hearing valid reasons why there is an apparent difference in rates between indy and agency.
 

ValeriaBeleza

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What I've found is when you do find a good provider with good chemistry and they all of sudden jack up their prices, they normally make exceptions to the increase with preferred clients.
Yes definitely, most honour the rates at which you saw them first :)

I dunno. If you're saying that price is irrelevant once you find a provider that 'delivers' for you, I'd still say you're wrong. If my favorite SP is charging $X and over time (for whaever reason) the price increases beyond what I will pay (for whatever reason) I will no longer visit. It's happened before and will happen again. Like the ladies are more than free to set their price, we are more than free to not visit.
I agree with you
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what I am referring to when I use the word “irrelevant” goes both ways. For example, there are customers whom had experienced ladies at the 500+ range and have found that what the promised is not what they got and then they experience a lady on the 250+ range and they find that their offering is better and greater than those of more ‘expensive’ SPs, therefore, price is ‘irrelevant’ in the sense that what you are really looking for is what the experience is ‘worth’ and the fact that you may or not find it is not directly related to the price of services. And to add one more iteration, I would consider a fact that once you do find a provider and she spikes the prices, the norm is to grandfather the rates, but again is up to the provider to do so.

Frankly that's the funniest thing I read all day Valeria!

"her now limited availability means a select rooster of customers and hence the spike on the rate. I also read on another post that the provider increased the rate because wanted to limit demand and provide better service."
Lol!!!!!!!! Damn! Autocorrect! Roster it is…hahhahaha!!!!!!!

 

Sugar-D

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I'd still like to hear an explanation why there are so many indies charging significantly more than the agencies. There are lots of lovely ladies at very reputable agencies at a rate of $250-$300. The indy rate seems to start at $300 and then go up by $50 increments. I know there are expenses to be paid but no more, I'd imagine, than an agency and the pot is not split as many ways as agencies have to.

As far as quality, as others have attested, it is not uncommon to get less than stellar dates from some high priced indies. We are risking more without any assurances of a better experience than if seeing a $250 agency girl.

So I'm interested in hearing valid reasons why there is an apparent difference in rates between indy and agency.

Because they can.
Are you so entitled to believe that anyone or any company owes you a personal explanation as to there rates. Buy the product or don't.
 

Jiffypop69

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Yes definitely, most honour the rates at which you saw them first :)

Good to know...I guess one of my problems is that I feel obligated to pay the premium anyway, regardless of the fact that I'd seen a particular person at a lower rate originally. When that is the case, I tend to move on, rather than ask for a discount. I've never asked anyone for one, and don't see myself starting anytime soon.

This "lifestyle" choice isn't based on finding a bargain, but at the same time I have to be responsible with my money. Quite frankly spending more makes me feel shitty.

To be fair though... Valeria is one of the few providers that I've ever met where I've felt that price is almost irrelevant. Like eating a at a fine restaurant, I can't afford to do it all of the time, but it's okay to treat oneself occasionally.
 

Chloë.

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I'd still like to hear an explanation why there are so many indies charging significantly more than the agencies. There are lots of lovely ladies at very reputable agencies at a rate of $250-$300. The indy rate seems to start at $300 and then go up by $50 increments. I know there are expenses to be paid but no more, I'd imagine, than an agency and the pot is not split as many ways as agencies have to.

So I'm interested in hearing valid reasons why there is an apparent difference in rates between indy and agency.
Expenses? Let's see:

Hotel - Quality of hotel choice + deposit up front. Financial district you're looking at maybe $300 per day on average for this, if not more depending on fluctuating rates.

Condo - Depends if it's a monthly fee or a per day basis. $50-100 per day/$1500+ per month are some I've seen. If it is their place of living as well then it can be cost effective versus booking a hotel every time.

Advertisements - Depending on where you advertise, those fees can essentially run you a few hundred dollars a month, I'll ball park at $200-300 if you advertise on several other boards/sites.

Personal Upkeep - Make-up, nails, hair. Per month, you're looking at maybe $100-150. I'm being extremely generous in my estimates here. My upkeep is personally quite more expensive than this.

Transportation - Parking, Gas, Taxis, TTC, drivers, whatever way you get to and from your appointments adds up per month. $200 on average.

Work phone/Miscellanous Neccesities - $100

Now I've left out a lot but I think these are big expenses to think about for an Indy. All with one client base.

An agency has a client base that varies for many different girls on their roster. They still gain around a 40% revenue per girl per client. If multiple girls are busy, that is quite lucrative for an owner.

However, when you think about it, some agencies book multiple rooms or multiple condo spaces which obviously means house cost is higher. They advertise multiple girls and on some avenues, this is costly.

The expense scheme is slightly different. Agencies definitely incur more cost, but I also think the value is relative in comparison to both.

One thing I will say about increased rates is that I do think clients sometimes forget to take into account the amount of upfront expenses we occur.
When we book the $3-400 hotel rooms and bring out the champagne and make sure we are dressed to the 9s, it's all quite expensive.

When a girl realizes she is focusing on marketing herself towards a different niche in terms of service, visual effects, AND all the extras, her costs incurred increase just as well. Charging more to offset those expenses is usually what will occur.

Take it as a compliment! She's getting better for you!
 
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Titalian

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Getting back to the original topic, I would blame the increase in pricing from the influx of French Mtl ladies which in the last six months have increased
their pricing substantially. A few asking for 500hr. Hey all the more power to them. Still I have found well reviewed French ladies at an affordable price.
With beauty, hygiene, service and environment being my number one priority.
 

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