Toronto cops make mad loot writing tickets. Still think the system isn't corrupt?

[viking1965]

If an officer writes a bogus ticket it almost certainly will be challenged and therefore is well within their control.



By paying them the same way I am paid: Providing them with an annual payment large enough to cover the amount of court time they are expected to put in--it would be the same amount for all officers who do the same job and would not depend on the number of tickets they actually write.

I clarified earlier that we're not talking about "bogus" tickets. Any officer found to be "creating" overtime by perpetrating such acts should be summarily fired.

As I asked earlier, what's you're proposed annual "overtime exempt" salary?

How much would we have to pay you to do their job?

 

[rama putri]

So your buddy writes "bogus" tickets on purpose with the assumption that people will be more likely to challenge them and he'll therefore get more "court time"?

If so, that would make this "individual" corrupt, but not "the system" as originally proposed.

Wrong. Read what I wrote again.

 

[viking1965]

Wrong. Read what I wrote again.

I read it again.

He's either writing "bogus" tickets, in which case he's corrupt, or he's writing an inordinate number of legitimate tickets and telling you stories of how he's "maxing the system" for purely narcissistic purposes. You seem to be entertained by these stories, so he'll continue telling them.

If there's some third option I've missed, please explain.

 

[rama putri]

I have no time to be a public school English teacher. Sigh.

 

[viking1965]

I have no time to be a public school English teacher. Sigh.

Or, apparently, to engage in an intelligent, informed discussion.

Thank you for playing.

 

[AK-47]

Viking, I dont think most people want to see lesser law enforcement, what we do want is for cops to spend "useless" hours in court over traffic tickets when everyone knows they are just there to make extra overtime money.

Have them somehow limit how many parking/speeding tickets they can go to court for, and thats the problem solved right there!

But I bet most cops wont go for that cause its less money from their paycheque(s)

 

[viking1965]

Viking, I dont think most people want to see lesser law enforcement, what we do want is for cops to spend "useless" hours in court over traffic tickets when everyone knows they are just there to make extra overtime money.

Have them somehow limit how many parking/speeding tickets they can go to court for, and thats the problem solved right there!

AK,

There are certainly exceptions, the article mentions two LEOs by name, indicating that this is not a "systemic", but anecdotal problem; but I would bet that most cops would opt to not spend so many "useless" hours in court, and instead be home with their families on their days off.

As stated earlier (many times), let's rememeber that it's the (mostly) guilty offenders, looking for "a break", who are causing this waste of valuable time, not the cops, who are simply doing their jobs.

As I said earlier, if you prevent the officer from appearing in court, based on an overtime "cap", then the offender gets off scott free; is that really a desirable option?

 

[masterchief]

Viking, I dont think most people want to see lesser law enforcement, what we do want is for cops to spend "useless" hours in court over traffic tickets when everyone knows they are just there to make extra overtime money.

No, they are there to testify to the court as for why the charge the defendant is court to defen against was valid. When the officer issues a ticket for an infraction how the hell is he supposed to know you plan on fighting it?

Have them somehow limit how many parking/speeding tickets they can go to court for, and thats the problem solved right there!.

Sure, people should be more aware and try not to break the law, and when they actually do stop clogging the courts by asking for a trial when they know they were guilty. You should spend a day in a courtroom sometime and hear the stupid things people are trying to argue against....my favorite was the guy's whose claim that sincex everyone parks in a Fire Route he shouldn't have gotten a ticket.

But I bet most cops wont go for that cause its less money from their paycheque(s)

Sure, cause most cops hate having days off from the long shifts they have to work.

Fine here's how it shoudl go then. If you are foudn gulity in court...you should have to pay the officers time for having to appear since you asked for a court date.

And by the way, when you do file papers in court for a trial date...you're specifically asked if you'd like the officer to appear. So really it's not the cops fault.

 

[AK-47]

@ masterchief

You're not fooling me with your drama, and neither is Viking

I used to train with cops (in the gym), they would always joke around about trying to write extra tickets so they could get more OT court time, dont try to spin it any other way cause you're not convincing me. You might the rest of Terb but not me!!

 

[masterchief]

@ masterchief

You're not fooling me with your drama, and neither is Viking

I used to train with cops (in the gym), they would always joke around about trying to write extra tickets so they could get more OT court time, dont try to spin it any other way cause you're not convincing me. You might the rest of Terb but not me!!

Sure so a few "guys at the gym" means that the other 3500 guys are all the same? Nice. I also know lots of officers who haven't given out a ticket in years.....not all cops work the traffic detail.

Here's one for you then ....I know a few Crown Attourney's who are told to keep an eye out for officers who rack up frivolous charges and report them.

But in the end it's totally irrelevant if they give out 1 ticket or 1000. It's up to the discresion of the person charged with the offense if they want a trial date. Even moreso when they check off the box for the officer to be called to testify hoping that the officer won't show up.

 

[OddSox]

I clarified earlier that we're not talking about "bogus" tickets. Any officer found to be "creating" overtime by perpetrating such acts should be summarily fired.

Maybe they should be fired, but that's not what would happen.

 

[viking1965]

@ masterchief

You're not fooling me with your drama, and neither is Viking

I used to train with cops (in the gym), they would always joke around about trying to write extra tickets so they could get more OT court time, dont try to spin it any other way cause you're not convincing me. You might the rest of Terb but not me!!

I'm not "spinning" anything here.

Simply writing extra tickets doesn't get them anything! Unless an offender chooses to go to court, no overtime!

You can make the assumption/argument that some "average" percentage of citations ends up in a court appearance, and that an officer may increases his ticket "production" in hopes of increasing court time. As long as those tickets he writes are legitimate, I have no issue with it.

As I asked before, isn't it their job to write tickets, thereby enforcing the law? I have no issue with them writing "as many as possible" as long as those tickets are legitimate and the officers are not "shirking" their other duties.

See my post to rama putri about narcissistic cops bragging about "playing" the system. Not surprising that this talk goes on "in the gym".

 

[viking1965]

Maybe they should be fired, but that's not what would happen.

So the Toronto PD doesn't have an Internal Affairs Bureau?

Or are they corrupt too?

 

[AK-47]

Simply writing extra tickets doesn't get them anything! Unless an offender chooses to go to court, no overtime!

You can make the assumption/argument that some "average" percentage of citations ends up in a court appearance, and that an officer may increases his ticket "production" in hopes of increasing court time. As long as those tickets he writes are legitimate, I have no issue with it.

As I asked before, isn't it their job to write tickets, thereby enforcing the law?

It is, and as I said before they are public servants, not public-lining-up-their-own-pocket servants.

You guys are trying justify what is basically siphoning taxpayers money, you know damn well what I'm talking about

 

[AK-47]

So the Toronto PD doesn't have an Internal Affairs Bureau?

Or are they corrupt too?

I wouldnt say they are corrupt, but they are self-serving in the end, meaning they cover their asses very well.

Wouldnt say thats corrupt though, since there's no financial gain, only self-preservance

 

[Rylan]

I am happy to say that I will be paying the speeding ticket I got the other day.

I am not happy I got the ticket but I will paying it because I was speeding. So I have done my job at keeping the courts free from my bullshit and not giving the cop extra money in his pocket.

 

[AK-47]

I'm not "spinning" anything here.

Simply writing extra tickets doesn't get them anything! Unless an offender chooses to go to court, no overtime!

You can make the assumption/argument that some "average" percentage of citations ends up in a court appearance, and that an officer may increases his ticket "production" in hopes of increasing court time

Well thanks for writing that out for me, and yes thats exactly what cops hope for, its called playing the percentages, the more tickets you write, the more you go to court.

Simple isnt it??

 

[masterchief]

It is, and as I said before they are public servants, not public-lining-up-their-own-pocket servants.

You guys are trying justify what is basically siphoning taxpayers money, you know damn well what I'm talking about

Once again...your lack of logic confounds me. How is a LEO doing thier job as is clearly outlined by a civillian oversight committee and a negociated collecitive bargainign agreement considered "lining-up-thier -own-pockets".

Especially when the decision for the issuing officer to appear before the courts to testify is in the hands of the party fighting the legally issued infraction.

See all your belly-aching just sounds like you've gotten a few vehicular infraction tickets and hated the fact that you were caught breaking the law.

 

[viking1965]

It is, and as I said before they are public servants, not public-lining-up-their-own-pocket servants.

You guys are trying justify what is basically siphoning taxpayers money, you know damn well what I'm talking about

They are employees, who get paid, according to a contract, agreed to by the government, for performing an apparently thankless and potentially life-threatening job.

If a cop writes more (legitimate) tickets, thereby enforcing more laws, in an effort to have the privelege of spending his day off in traffic court, and getting paid for it, according to the aboive mentioned contract, to potentially make life a little nicer for his family, then MORE POWER TO HIM.

If you think it's such a cushy deal, then strap on a badge and a gun and a kevlar vest and hit the streets!!

 

[AK-47]

See all your belly-aching just sounds like you've gotten a few vehicular infraction tickets and hated the fact that you were caught breaking the law.

Nice try trying to paint me as an angry motorist

I used to train with cops in my local gym, and listened to them talk about extra court time. Please dont play me like I'm stupid, it really insults my intelligence.

And apparently you're not doing a good job convincing the Toronto Star either.
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