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Re: We have digressed from......

Vanessa@Select said:
the orginal topic of this thread, but I can't let ice-dog's ["An then, if your degree is from 25 years ago, it is probably out-dated." ]
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As you have no idea what year I graduated, I will say that my degree (as stated in above point) has been invaluable to me and extremely instrumental in assisting me in achieving career goals Cheers!
Vanessa@Select

That point was not in reference to you, it was more to myself.
Once you have been out of school for over 10 years, your first degree becomes irrevelant When you are applying for a job, people are only interested in what you have done in the last 3-5 years.
 

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Re: While I am not joining this debate........

Vanessa@Select said:
attached is related article in National Post.

Vanessa@Select

i don't see the link for this. what happened?
 

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SEARCH RESULTS - STORY
Migrants must spread out: Ottawa
'You will stay in Saskatoon, you will stay in Moose
Jaw': Plan would force newcomers to agree to live
outside biggest cities for three to five years

Robert Fife, Ottawa Bureau Chief, with files from Jon Bricker
National Post


Saturday, June 22, 2002

OTTAWA - Denis Coderre,
the Immigration Minister, is
proposing a strict
immigration policy with the
intent of putting a million
newcomers in the country's
less populated regions by
2011.

It would be the most
dramatic effort to channel
immigrants since the
settlement of Western
Canada at the dawn of the
20th century.

Mr. Coderre said he wants
prospective immigrants to
sign a social contract under
which they would promise
to reside in the Atlantic
provinces, the Prairie
provinces or rural areas of
Ontario, Quebec and British
Columbia for three to five
years before moving.

In reaction, a
spokeswoman for
immigrants said the plan
seems like something out of
"Communist China" and
evokes memories of the
kind of policies abroad that
incited people to leave their
homelands and come to
Canada.

While Toronto, Vancouver
and Montreal have become magnets for people seeking a new life in
Canada, Mr. Coderre said this has skewed national population growth.
Smaller communities face a severe shortage of skilled workers, such as
doctors and nurses.

''We have some major problems in the next five years. We will be in a
deficit of one million skilled workers and by 2011, our labour force will
depend only on immigrants, so we have to find a way to resolve this
problem,'' he said in an interview.

''What we are looking for is to have a way to face the problem of labour
shortages and population growth by 2011 ... so I would see it as a
good thing to have a social contract with the newcomers, saying you
are coming to Canada with your skills but you will stay in Saskatoon,
you will stay in Moose Jaw, and I feel it may have an impact.''

Most of the 250,000 immigrants and refugees who come to Canada
each year settle in the big cities, putting growth pressure on Toronto,
Vancouver and Montreal. Half of all newcomers stay in Toronto, 15%
choose Vancouver and 11% Montreal.

More than 500,000 applicants are awaiting permission to immigrate to
Canada. About 60% of them are independent applicants who want to
come to Canada in the skilled-worker category. The other 40% are
family-class applicants who are chosen for their family ties, not their
skills.

The Coderre plan is meant partly to help the Atlantic provinces cope
with an exodus of young people.

''Atlantic Canada is looking for ways to face the issue of retention so
that will be a great opportunity. Halifax and New Brunswick, you name
it, they want [this policy],'' Mr. Coderre said.

"The idea is to use immigration as a regional development tool. It
would be a catalyst to be really helpful for the whole economy,'' Mr.
Coderre said.

He would not say what would happen to immigrants who renege on
the social contract, but a senior immigration official said they would
likely be returned to their native land.

''It will be a special permit or visa. You must stay in a community for
three or so years. And if you move, you violate the visa and they would
send you packing.
 

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''It has a lot of merit. If people do stay for several years, they usually
establish a family and set up roots and they won't want to leave. This
will be good for the local economy.''

Mr. Coderre said he is convinced many skilled workers in Asia, Eastern
Europe, Africa and South America would be willing to commit to moving
to smaller communities as the price of living in a country with one of the
highest living standards in the world and a stable political system.

He acknowledged officials have to determine the social contract for
immigrants does not violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Mr. Coderre is to discuss the policy with his provincial counterparts at a
special immigrant resettlement conference in October. He expressed
confidence the policy could not be successfully challenged in the courts
because its goal is to assure regional equality both in population and in
achieving a higher standard of living.

''My instinct is telling me because of regional accommodation, it would
pass without any problem with the Charter,'' he said. ''What I'm looking
for is a new deal, a new social pact with the newcomers and all the
partners in the country to have an inclusive immigration policy.''

The Charter's mobility rights clause says the existence of such rights
does not preclude any government program that aims to assist a
province with an above-average rate of unemployment.

Benjamin Trister, a Toronto immigration lawyer and head of the
immigration section of the Canadian Bar Association, said he is
confident the policy could withstand Charter scrutiny, providing
prospective immigrants were given temporary visas.

He said the government could give newcomers a temporary resident
permit "which says you can come here and work, like you basically do
now as a permanent resident, but you wouldn't actually be given an
immigrant visa. You could only convert that permit into a permanent
visa once you have established you have lived in the area you have
promised to live."

Under current laws, prospective immigrants on employment
authorization are restricted to work in the area where they have found
employment, Mr. Trister noted.

''So it is not as if everyone who gets here can benefit under the
Charter from mobility rights. So if they do it by way of a temporary
resident permit, that would probably withstand judicial scrutiny."

However, he said the policy likely would not survive a court challenge if
the government made location conditional after giving people immigrant
visas.

Gloria Fung, the Chinese Canadian National Council's immigration
committee chairwoman, called the proposal an enormous threat to
freedom of movement.

She said it is especially alarming to immigrants who, like her, chose
Canada because its citizens enjoy freedoms they did not enjoy in their
home countries.

"By proposing this idea, I wonder if our Minister Coderre is suggesting
Canada should go the same direction as Communist China," Ms. Fung
said.

She also doubted the policy could feasibly be monitored.

The federal government had a similar program after the Second World
War, but Mr. Coderre's policy is more far-reaching in seeking to
repopulate regions that urbanization has left behind.

The plan is similar in scope to the settlement program for Western
Canada that began in 1896 under Clifford Sifton, minister of the interior
in the Liberal government of Wilfrid Laurier. The Sifton plan offered
newcomers 65 hectares of virtually free land for a $10 registration fee.
It was judged a huge success, with the population jumping from 5.3
million in 1901 to 8.8 million by 1920.

The Prairie provinces received 49% of the new immigrants, lured by the
promise of cheap land.
 

mr. x

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the story from the National Post just goes to show how insane this country is when it comes to this issue...

don't these guys ever ask them elves "why are young people leaving the maritimes and the prairies? uh, how about a lack of opportunities and good paying jobs - or do think people leave just because toronto has better nightclubs?

i can imagine a meeting with the immigration minister: "

bureaucrat: "hey, why don't we come up with a policy that forces people to go to where unemployment is highest, and then force them to stay there.

minister: wow - this will be a great policy when we try to get the best immigrants to choose Canada over the US or Australia..."

even if they are rights that we are facing a shortage of skilled labour in 2011 - what is the government doing about, say, educating people!
 
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Mr X you are still ranting about this silly topic. When i moved here from another country(UK) i came here because my family liked the oppurtunnities that Canada had to offer. At the time other countries were not taking people of colour, eg Australia. In that country they look at immigrants as outsiders.
Now to your argument about easterners coming to Toronto b/c of jobs. Everyone comes from all over Canada to Toronto for jobs. Not b/c they like the lifestyle we live. Vancouver does not have any jobs and Montreal has the same pathetic job market. Hence the fact that our housing and everything else has gone through the roof.
Another thing you need to realize is that certain races are not having children and there death rate is higher than there birth rate. In Quebec they have that problem, i do not have the stats.
But they are strongly encouraging women to have children in that province.
A couple of weeks ago a english politician sd that Europe will need more immigrants in the upcoming years.
My question to you is when you refer to immigrants are you referring to the africans/asians or are you talking about ALL immigrants. As i am sure you are aware of the Thousands of Russians and east europeans that have been let into our company. But i guess you think that is alright b/c some of them are in the sex trade.(eg MPA).
Canada my friend will always need immigration and the late great Pierre Elliott Trudeau realized that and opened the gates for decent hard working people like myself.
 

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MRMARCUS said:
Mr X you are still ranting about this silly topic. When i moved here from another country(UK) i came here because my family liked the oppurtunnities that Canada had to offer. At the time other countries were not taking people of colour, eg Australia. In that country they look at immigrants as outsiders.
Now to your argument about easterners coming to Toronto b/c of jobs. Everyone comes from all over Canada to Toronto for jobs. Not b/c they like the lifestyle we live. Vancouver does not have any jobs and Montreal has the same pathetic job market. Hence the fact that our housing and everything else has gone through the roof.
Another thing you need to realize is that certain races are not having children and there death rate is higher than there birth rate. In Quebec they have that problem, i do not have the stats.
But they are strongly encouraging women to have children in that province.
A couple of weeks ago a english politician sd that Europe will need more immigrants in the upcoming years.
My question to you is when you refer to immigrants are you referring to the africans/asians or are you talking about ALL immigrants. As i am sure you are aware of the Thousands of Russians and east europeans that have been let into our company. But i guess you think that is alright b/c some of them are in the sex trade.(eg MPA).
Canada my friend will always need immigration and the late great Pierre Elliott Trudeau realized that and opened the gates for decent hard working people like myself.
i take it you came here in the 60s - australia had one of the most racist immigration policies of all democracies - but i understand this ended in the 1970s and there immigration policy is no longer racist.

my comments about people coming to toronto because of nightclubs/lifestyle was not serious - of course people come to toronto fromt he maritimes, and the priaires because of the opportunities.

yes, the birth rate has plummeted the most in quebec - but quebec has actually cut back on immigrants, largely becuase the separatists know that immigrants generally will vote no in any future referendum. quebec has some control over immigration, which other provinces do not.

i refer to ALL immigrants - i am not basing my comments on anything to do with race - it is based on general analysis of the economy. actually, i rarely see eastern eurpoeans when i "hobby" - its usually asians. but even if the only immigrants who wnated to come to canada were "white" my beliefs would still be the same.

ironically, it wasn't trudeau who opened up immgration - it was actually diefenbaker, i believe (and strangley, trudeau is one of my heros). what trudeau did do was adapt an official policy of "multiculturalism" - he was trying to improve language rights for french-canadians outside quebec, and ukrainians, italians and others protested that their cultural traditions should also be recognised, because in many parts of the country they vastly outnumbered francophones.
 

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give it a rest on trudeau - the guy has not been prime minsiter for nearly 20 years!

also, mulroney tried to jump on the immigration bandwagon - he increased immigration too and tried to woo "ethic" voters during his tenure as a way of taking their votes away from the liberals...
 

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just finished reading a book on immigration called "who gets in" by daniel stoffman.

he talks about how crazy and irrational or attitudes and policies are on immigration, in particular the refugee program. at times it is a tirade against the liberals, and i think he only scratches the surface as to why immigration levels should bbe cut, but i would highly recommend this for anyone interested in the issue.
 

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I'd like to refer everyone to a major study that was presented to the City of Hamilton by the HRDC recently.

It's major points were that the birthrate in Canada is declining to the point where it may be neutral in 10 years. Meanwhile, skilled job losses due to attrition are set to climb rapidly during the same period. There are not enough Canadians with the requisite skills required to take up the slack. This is a global problem as well and it advises us to get working on a solution now before the competition for skilled workers gets too hot.

The primary solution: more immigration, but also better and more targeted immigration that will identify industry needs and develop programs to attract potential immigrants with the desirable skills and profiles here.

This is really a no brainer if you care to look at the research. We need more people to fill the jobs that aging baby boomers will be retiring from, plain and simple. Our domestic workforce won't be up to the levels required. Ergo, immigration is how we will promote and maintain our economic growth for the next generation. Plain and simple.

And these aren't just labor jobs, or skilled factory jobs. We are talking about major shortages of teachers, university professors, doctors, nurses...all sorts of professions.

Now I will say how we go about it will be the big question, but the question of whether to increase or decrease immigration is obvious.

And to whoever said US growth is ahead of ours, you are mistaken. Our GDP has been steadily growing ahead of any US economic recovery. We are more than able to compete.

There should be some material on this study at the HRDC website. I haven't checked for it, but I may just do that and post a link.

PS - I think I've mentioned this every time the subject of immigration has come up on here in past while.
 

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Dr. Gonzo said:

The primary solution: more immigration, but also better and more targeted immigration that will identify industry needs and develop programs to attract potential immigrants with the desirable skills and profiles here.

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And these aren't just labor jobs, or skilled factory jobs. We are talking about major shortages of teachers, university professors, doctors, nurses...all sorts of professions.
You are right about this, but one major problem is the verification of skills and education levels from those abroad.

I still remember dozens of asian graduate students at one of the Canadian universities where I studied and taught arriving with blank transcripts and letterhead from asian universities. They had a blast writing reference letters for each other and were laughing about Canadian students whose backgrounds could easily be verified. Guess who ended up with scholarships and Ph.D.s ... it's no suprpise the quality of research at Canadian universities is pathetic now.
 

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The economist recently completed a survey researching immigration. Excellent read.

I'm a subscriber to both their website and magazine -- if any of you want, I can post the articles here.

Cheers,

-djk
 

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Daniel Stoffman book

Another recent book by Diane Francis

Way too many uneducated people coming in via family sponsorship. Too many older immigrants in poor health,who have never worked in Canada. Too many immigrants who have lived here over 10 years and still don't speak English. Way too many bogus refugees.

Just my opinion
 

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Productivity

GDP and unemployment are the results of high or low productivity not immigration or wage levels. The US has among the highest labor productivity rates in the world despite its high wage levels.

The mistake many make is assuming an economy is a fixed size and that there is only so much to go around. It's like the idiotic French introducing a shorter workweek to reduce unemployment. Where the US has very low unemployment rates and some of the longest workweeks in the world.

Wealth is generated by economic activity; more people generate more activity (some more than others obviously).

Does the 1 million immigration figure quoted for the US include illegal immigration from Mexico? I wonder?

OTB
 

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I've received a few requests to post, so here I go...

SURVEY: MIGRATION

The best of reasons

Oct 31st 2002
From The Economist print edition


Who gets in

ONE of the many oddities of migration policy is that immigrants coming in to work permanently are usually a minority of those who arrive legally. Most host countries admit migrants mainly on grounds that have nothing to do with work. They also admit two large groups on grounds that have nothing to do with their skills or education, even though these characteristics may determine how rapidly they integrate.

Almost everywhere, the biggest group consists of relatives of those who have already arrived. In the United States they account for three-quarters of all legal permanent migrants. America even gives a few visas to migrants' adult siblings. In parts of Europe, family reunification has become family formation, and sometimes delays integration: for instance, it allows third-generation Pakistanis to seek spouses from among their cousins back in rural Mirpur. The policy also reinforces the characteristics of earlier arrivals. Unskilled migrants are likely to have less educated relatives than are skilled migrants.

In Europe, and especially northern Europe, the other main route of legal entry is to claim asylum. The number of claims has fallen by half since the early 1990s, partly because peace has returned to former Yugoslavia, and partly because of tougher rules, but still seems to be higher than in the United States. America cut the numbers sharply after the first attack on the World Trade Centre in 1993, mainly by refusing to allow asylum-seekers to work or draw any welfare benefits for the first six months of their stay, and by speeding the claims process. Many European countries are now moving that way.

Both marriage and asylum-seeking are clearly open to abuse by the desperate or the unscrupulous. Many asylum-seekers are fleeing poverty and disorder rather than persecution. It is usually impossible to establish whether or not they have really suffered the traumas they claim. Certainly there are some odd things going on. Near Calais, a large group of Iranians and Afghans have long been encamped, refusing to claim asylum until they have reached Britain.

When it comes to student visas, there are incentives to cheat not only for would-be immigrants but for educational institutions too. Harvard University's Mr Borjas explains in a recent article in the National Review that 13% of foreign students stay on legally, making a place at an American educational establishment a safer bet for an entry ticket than the 0.5% chance of winning the annual American visa lottery. The incentive for educational bodies of all sorts is that foreign students provide welcome tuition fees and, for universities, cut-price teaching help.

One reason why would-be immigrants choose these roundabout routes to the rich world is that there are few straightforward ones available. Migrating for a permanent job is difficult everywhere. Canada has a system, copied by Australia, for admitting a few thousand would-be immigrants each year on the basis of points awarded for a variety of characteristics. Increasingly, says Meyer Burstein, a Canadian expert, these reward skills, education, language and youth. Germany and Britain both want to copy Canada's system, whereas Americans think that the job market is the best judge of what is needed. But even in America, says John Salt of University College London, a top expert on migration, “Highly skilled permanent employment-based immigrants account for about 3% of the total number of immigrants.”

Temporary work permits, which several countries increasingly issue, help a bit to fill the gap, but most involve a process of labyrinthine complexity. Often there is a test of some sort to ensure that the worker is not taking a job that a native might fill—usually a meaningless formality, but one of several that allow endless opportunities for bureaucratic delay. That seems even more true for the United States than for Europe. Leon Wildes, the New York immigration lawyer who got John Lennon a work permit in the heyday of the Beatles, taps a vast blue file on his desk. “This is one of my most well-heeled clients. He wants to bring in his household cook. It's taken us four-and-a-half years to get to this point.”

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The back door
Because work permits are rarely issued to the unskilled, such people generally have no legal way of migrating to find work. So they come illegally. Immigration controls keep many people out, but not everyone. Vast numbers of travellers enter and leave most countries each year. For instance, although 20m foreigners arrive in Britain each year, Professor Salt's best guess is that Britain's foreign population rose by a mere 134,000 between 1999 and 2000. But even islands will never catch all those with no right to be there: most illegals are visitors who overstay their tourist or student visas.

If a country has a long land border, like the United States, or coasts temptingly near poorer countries, like Italy, its best hope is internal enforcement. That is easier in countries such as Germany, where people have to carry identification and register with the local authorities when they move. But even Germany has asylum-seekers who vanish when their claim is turned down: “We call them U-boats,” says Rainer Münz, a demographer at Berlin's Humboldt University.

Either way, the illegals keep on coming. More than a quarter of America's immigrants, or about 9m people, are probably undocumented: about 60% of them entered illegally and 40% overstayed their visas. Their number grows by at least 500,000 a year, reckons Jeffrey Passel of the Urban Institute. Mexicans are more likely to be undocumented than any other group: the Immigration and Naturalisation Department thinks that 88% of male Mexicans and 73% of female ones entering America have no papers. That compares with 53% of men and 34% of women from the rest of the western hemisphere.

Numbers for Europe are vaguer. Jean-Claude Chenais, a leading French demographer, guesses that Germany has 1m and France up to 500,000 illegals. Jonas Widgren, head of the International Centre for Migration Policy Development in Vienna, thinks that 500,000 illegal migrants enter the EU each year. Most cross land or sea borders illegally, he says, but 150,000 overstay their visas. That implies that the inflow into Europe and the United States is much the same, relative to population: about 0.15% of population a year.

Visit the American-Mexican border patrol at El Paso, and the problem is plain. No border crossing in the world has more sophisticated detection equipment. Cameras monitor remote stretches; a chain-link fence spans miles of scrubland; sensors buried in roads draw attention to suspicious traffic; patrols on horseback and quad bikes sweep the desert, dragging car tyres to smooth the sand and make it easier to spot fresh footprints. For all this expense and the consequent human misery, the patrol reckons it catches six or seven of every ten illegal entrants. A large proportion of the 400 people apprehended each day—and usually released—have crossed, or tried to cross, before.

Thousands continue to climb into the backs of the trucks that carry the world's trade across borders, to the fury of the International Road Transport Union, whose members pay fines or even go to jail when their unwanted cargo is discovered. Many would-be immigrants use the services of a professional smuggler. The rich world's politicians tend to talk of migrants being “exploited” or “victimised” by smugglers, wilfully confusing them with the traffickers who buy and sell women and children in the sex trade. Some smugglers are undoubtedly ruthless, and becoming more so as smuggling fees rise. But many would-be migrants, having decided to go, seek out the services of a smuggler on a friend's recommendation, rather as holidaymakers turn to a travel agent.

After border checks, the only backstop is internal enforcement. Illegals thrive on vigorous, open labour markets in societies with few internal checks. In a remarkable study of undocumented immigrant workers in London for a conference run by the Institute of Public Policy Research in March, Bill Jordan and Frank Düvell reported an interview with a Pole who had been in London for seven years, during which time he worked (illegally) continuously and trebled his hourly earnings:

I have been to Germany three or four times ...You earn better money there but there is no freedom: you have to be able to produce your documents at any time, whereas here ...nobody ever asked to see my passport. I would never have been able to live illegally in Germany for so many years.

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Internal enforcement inevitably means making employers responsible for ensuring that their staff have a legal right to work. That is possible in Germany, where employers are used to bureaucratic demands. In the United States, Doris Meissner, formerly head of the Immigration and Naturalisation Service, recalls with frustration the impossibility of enforcing effective controls on employers. When the INS inspectors harried them, bosses simply told politicians that without illegals the harvest would rot in the fields. Stephen Castles, director of the Refugee Studies Centre at Oxford University, puts his finger on the problem: “You'd actually have to imprison employers. Would the courts do it?” At present, even fines are rare.

Even if employers could be disciplined, countries would then need to be able to remove those who arrive illegally. This is difficult everywhere. In the spick-and-span El Paso detention centre, America's largest, officials sigh if the courts hand down a deportation order for illegals from Cuba, Iran or Iraq. Releasing the immigrant is far simpler than trying to send him home.

Even if countries could be cajoled or bullied into taking back their strays, no imaginable repatriation policy is likely to evict all illegals, so their reluctant hosts need to find ways to deal with them. The alternative is to put up with an underworld population of non-persons, who may be unable to get car insurance or health care and who may pay no income tax or social-security contributions.

Having become increasingly wary about links between immigration and security, countries understandably feel uncomfortable about the presence of millions of undocumented foreigners. But offer them an amnesty, as America, in effect, did to 3m people in 1986 and Malaysia did in May this year, and you give others an incentive to try their luck. The wiser compromise is to allow those who have found work, paid taxes and avoided trouble to earn the right to stay, rather than force them home to change their status. In general, the benefits of being able to regulate those who have become legal will outweigh the costs of appearing to cave in. “The attitude of the public will depend on how you package it,” says Esther Olavarria, counsel to Senator Edward Kennedy, who is keen to help the undocumented. “If you say it's an amnesty, they'll say no. But if you say, these are hard-working individuals whose position needs to be regularised, they'll support it.”

And rightly. Illegal migrants are the most employment-hungry, market-sensitive arrivals of all. In the United States, points out Roberto Suro, director of the Pew Hispanic Centre, they provide just-in-time labour: “A meat-packing plant in Iowa can say to the foreman, next month we need 5% more workers for three months. On the day they are needed, they'll be there. It's extremely efficient.”

To convince their voters that migration is under control, governments have to curb the illegal sort. But they would be foolish, in doing so, to lose the flexibility and employability that illegals contribute. Better to find ways to allow more to come legally—but not necessarily to stay.

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SURVEY: MIGRATION

A modest contribution

Oct 31st 2002
From The Economist print edition


On balance, host countries benefit only slightly from immigration, whereas immigrants benefit hugely

“LET me tell you the problem,” says Victor Trevino, Mexico's deputy consul in the border town of El Paso. “The minimum wage in the United States is $5.15 an hour. In Mexico, many people earn $5 a day. In a supermarket here, a gallon of milk costs $3. Across the border, in Juarez, it often costs 10 or 15 cents more.” No wonder they come. But what do the people in the host country gain?

For most people, this question revolves around tax and welfare benefits. Do immigrants come to scrounge? Or will they be the salvation of rich countries that have promised their citizens pensions that the public purse cannot afford? There are wider questions too. Do immigrants depress the pay of native workers? Do they retard the growth of productivity? Or do they bolster global economic growth? To such questions, the answer is mostly an unsatisfying “it all depends”.

Take tax and welfare first. Asked whether he thought that the United States should open its borders to all comers, Milton Friedman, the grand old man of liberal economics, replied: “Unfortunately not. You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.”

At a given moment, migrants are generally net contributors to the public purse: they are disproportionately of working age, and the receiving country has not had to pay for their education. A study by Britain's Home Office estimated that the foreign-born population paid about 10% more to the government than it received in expenditure. However, a magisterial study in 1997 of the economic impacts of immigration, by America's National Research Council, found that the picture changes if one looks across time instead of taking a snapshot. In that case, the NRC found, first-generation migrants imposed an average net fiscal cost of $3,000 at present discounted value; but the second generation yielded a $80,000 fiscal gain.

Some immigrants contribute more than others. Those who come as students or relatives or asylum-seekers (as most do) may not work at all—or may not be allowed to work. In addition, immigrants tend to have larger families, to be poorer and to be more often unemployed than the native-born. The report for the Fondazione Rodolfo Debenedetti found that, in some European countries, such as Denmark and the Netherlands, welfare benefits were so generous that they probably distorted the inflow of immigrants and encouraged them to draw welfare.

As with so many other aspects of immigration, skill levels affect costs. Migrants from poor countries are much more likely to claim benefits than migrants from rich ones; unskilled migrants are much more likely than natives or skilled migrants to lose their jobs in a recession. And countries treat different classes of immigrants in different ways for welfare-benefit purposes. Asylum-seekers in the United States cannot claim welfare during the six months in which their claim is normally determined. In Germany, by contrast, asylum-seekers can claim welfare benefits while their asylum claim is processed. That can easily take years, during which time they may not be allowed to work if they have been sent to live in an area of high unemployment.

Even if immigrants pay more tax than they get back in public spending, they may create some imbalances on the way. The tax they pay may go to the national government but the spending may burden a city or state, which houses and educates them and their children. The NRC study noted that the fiscal gain from immigrants was spread fairly evenly across the United States, but that the burden on states varied, depending on the type of immigrants they attracted. In 1989-90, in New Jersey, where almost half of new immigrants are from Europe or Canada, native households paid a net $232 a year more because of immigration; in California, where more than half of all immigrants come from Latin America, they paid $1,178 a year more.

Immigrants are on average younger than the native-born, and they have more children—partly because of their ages, but also because they usually come from countries with higher fertility rates. Fertility in most rich countries, and especially in Europe, is below replacement level, so their populations will age and shrink over the next half-century. For instance, the median age in Italy may rise from 41 today to 53 in 2050. By mid-century, the population of Spain may be 22% smaller than it is now, and that of the Netherlands 10% smaller. All told, by 2050 no fewer than 34 countries will face a decline in population.

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Two years ago, the United Nations Population Division tried to establish what levels of immigration might be needed to prevent such a population decline, and what might be required to maintain the existing ratio of workers to those needing support. Its findings produced international uproar. “Quite a lot of my colleagues had to cancel their holidays when the report came out,” says Joseph Chamie, head of the division. Not only did the levels of migration needed to stabilise the working-age population turn out to be large, but the flows needed to stabilise the present support ratio proved to be immense, at least in Europe. The EU would require an annual inflow of nearly 3m migrants a year, or roughly twice the present legal and illegal flow from outside the EU, to prevent the future support ratio (of those aged 15-64 to those aged 65 and over) dropping from about four at present to below three. In the United States, where the support level is currently above five, it would take just under 1m immigrants a year (or about two-thirds the present inflow) to stabilise at three.

Would it help to increase the proportion of the working-age population who actually work? Yes, said the report, but only up to a point: even if everyone of working age were in work, support ratios in 2050 would still drop below three even in the United States. Only by raising the retirement age to 75 could current support ratios be maintained.

For Europe, these calculations offer an uncomfortable reminder that its population may have peaked around 1997 and may now be declining. America's population, by contrast, will grow over the next half-century, perhaps by 40%—and four-fifths of that growth will be due to today's immigrants and their descendants. Numbers count, and Europe's resistance to immigration may count against it.

Certainly, ageing countries will attract immigrants. Demand from older people for labour-intensive services will drive up the wages of the unskilled. The choice for Europe's old may be between being cared for by legal migrants or illegal ones. However, immigration is not a solution to the strains that ageing will bring. For one thing, by 2050 fertility rates will have dropped below replacement levels even in many traditional emigration countries, including Mexico, Egypt, Brazil, the Philippines and Indonesia. If young people continue to leave these countries in large numbers, supporting the elderly there will one day become an even bigger problem than in the rich world.

Besides, young and fertile migrants grow old and their fertility rates rapidly decline. “There are no feasible migration solutions to the age-structure change and its effects on social security,” insists David Coleman, a demographer at Oxford University, who argues that integrating the existing foreign-born and their children should come first.

However, in one respect immigrants may make a substantial difference. The ageing countries of Europe face an unsustainable gap between future tax revenues and commitments to spend and to service government debt. In Germany, for example, that prospective gap is of the order of an annual 6% of GDP. If migrants make a net contribution to taxes over their lives, they reduce that debt. But even if they do not, argues DIW's Mr Brücker, they increase the number of future taxpayers. The same debt spread over more payers automatically reduces the individual burden of future taxpayers. In short, migration cannot prevent ageing, but it can significantly reduce its fiscal consequences.

To sum up, immigration changes both the size of a country's economy and the way the gains are shared out. Measurement is difficult, and results often disagree. But a number of broad conclusions emerge from all this.

First, migration probably raises the living standards of the rich (think of all those foreign nannies and waiters) and the returns to capital (hence the enthusiasm of employers for more flexible policies). It does not seem to increase unemployment among the native-born, although it may reduce their pay.

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On balance, argued the report by America's NRC, the people whose wages immigration harms are mainly previous immigrants, for whom new immigrants are close substitutes in the job market. In addition, immigration seems to account for almost half the fall in wages of high-school drop-outs in the 1980s and early 1990s. But this is a smallish group, now less than 10% of the American workforce. Trade unions in the United States no longer argue for a ban on immigration, realising that this is a lost cause: instead, they want to legalise the undocumented, who are much more likely to undercut their less-skilled members than are unionised legal immigrants.

The effect on jobs depends partly on whether immigrants are complements to or substitutes for native labour. Are the immigrants doing jobs that natives might have done, or would those jobs simply not exist if immigrants were not there to do them? Advertise for a cleaner in London at twice the minimum hourly wage, and you will get no response from local school drop-outs or Liverpool's unemployed. More probably, the applicants will be from Ukraine, Colombia or Poland.

Some labour economists are puzzled that immigration does not appear to have made much impact on wages or jobs. Trade economists such as Berlin's Mr Brücker are not. They point out that an open economy may change its mix of output, leaving wages and unemployment unaltered. Indeed, in many countries, immigrants are densely concentrated in export industries such as textiles, car making and agriculture.

Immigrants also cluster in areas where the job market is tight. In Canada, half of all immigrants go to Toronto; in Britain, an even higher proportion settles in London. Harvard's Professor Borjas points out that immigrants incur much lower costs than natives in choosing to move to a particular place, because they have already decided to uproot. They gain the greatest benefit by moving to those places where their skills are in greatest demand. Not surprisingly, he finds that new immigrants are disproportionately clustered in America's high-wage states, where workers are scarcest.

That clustering helps to stop wages rising even further, and allows the entire economy to run at higher speed than might otherwise be possible. The finding has important consequences for Europe, with its lower geographical mobility and more inflexible job markets. There, the importance of immigrants as a flexible workforce is potentially even greater than in the United States.

Immigrants may boost economic growth in other ways that are harder to measure, and that depend on their skills and experience. They may bring entrepreneurial skills: almost 30% of new companies in Silicon Valley in 1995-98 were started by Chinese and Indian immigrants. Some depressed regions actively court immigrants: the chamber of commerce at Nashville, Tennessee, sees them as a source of dynamism, as does Tom Vilsack, the governor of Iowa, whose state has a meat-packing industry relying largely on Bosnian refugees.

Against that, unskilled immigrants may discourage investment. Mr Krikorian, of the Centre for Immigration Studies, argues that productivity in California's raisin industry is far lower than it could be, because of the ready supply of cheap illegal Mexicans to pick the fruit by hand. Australia, with far fewer illegals, grows grapes over trellises, which allows automated harvesting.

As far as the host country's population is concerned, then, the benefits of immigration may be modest and unevenly distributed. The NRC study estimated them at up to $10 billion a year—chickenfeed in an economy of $10 trillion. “The economic pluses and minuses are much smaller than the political and emotional salience,” says Rand's Mr Smith. In Europe, where they have been less carefully measured, they may be larger: Britain's government recently increased its underlying forecast for economic growth by a quarter of a percentage point because it now expects higher net inward migration.

Greatest good for the greatest number

For the individual immigrants, on the other hand, the potential gains are very large. This explains why many trade economists argue that humanity as a whole benefits enormously from migration. Alan Winters of Britain's Sussex University, in a study for the Commonwealth Secretariat, has tried to quantify these gains. He concludes that, if the rich countries raised the number of foreign workers that they allowed in temporarily by the equivalent of 3% of their existing workforce, world welfare would improve by more than $150 billion a year. That is bigger, he points out, that the gains from any imaginable liberalisation of trade in goods.

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