Too many people are going to university - discussion?

[lomotil]

So let’s bring more people in to do the work so more “able-bodied Canadians” can continue to be “drugged out” or go on “social services”. ?

Because that makes sense too right???? If true, let’s bring more people in and not address the problem. Let’s over populate Canada with more people so Canadians can get more drugged out and use tax papers money.

And Sorry you have such an issue with Canadians - assume “white” Canadians are who you are talking about right? Is this a self loathing thing or are you an immigrant who just doesn’t like the people of the country you moved too?

That is one huge accusation against a country of people. Brought with no stats to prove it as fact and certainly doesn’t take into account all of Canada because when you think of all of Canada - you know damn well this is a bullshit. You are just looking around your little community in the GTA, not looking up north, east or west. To other provinces, etc.

If you can bring the stats to back up your claim - great we can have a conversation but right now you look like you are hating on one group of people with un proven accusations and generalizations. If you were white and talking about Indians being all drugged out - you would be called a racist in a heartbeat

In an attempt to bring this thread back to the op’s title, I would say that university continue to function as a useless and expensive four year babysister for far too many young people. University, unless the student is in professional graduate school programs which actually teach a “trade” and a useful trade towards what industry desperately needs such as medicine, nursing, engineering etc; it has been well known for some time that the other programs are meant for “ personal enlightenment” not so much for future employment.

Canada desperately needs skilled trades people and post secondary programs cannot turn them out nearly fast enough to satisfy industrial demand. The solutions are the immigration programs that we are seeing, which is a phenomenon that has been part of Canadian history.

That you have decided to bring race in to this thread is unfortunate and not helpful to the discussion and is disingenuous to the growing ranks of “able bodied“ Canadians who choose not work for whatever reasons and the “drugged out” addicts who are not able to work and contribute to society. The formerly thriving industry in small time Ontario has long since shut dow and now has a disproportionate number of fentanyl and opioid addled young people who are often sent to the GTA for treatment and wind up on the street or in shelters. As an example Toronto I can see a large Metro store now staffed , by new to Canada ,Indian students and Canadian born drugged out panhandlers outside in the parking lot perpetually begging for cash to get a”fix”.

 

[rhuarc29]

University once served its proper purpose, in providing requisite and deeper study into fields that required it. Medical, engineering, law, academia, etc. But then they branched into a whole lot of unnecessary fields, and worked to create an environment where having a degree was de facto required to get a job in those fields. Worse still, they inflated those and other programs with unnecessary courses so that they could sap more money from students.

It's a sham, that costs many young people years of their life and hundreds of thousands of dollars (once you factor in the lost earnings they could have been making). The opportunity cost of going to university is a horrible proposition for many people. I say that as someone who got his degree, but then never used it because I picked up a lucrative job during my work terms that turned into a fully fledged career for me.

 

[Jenesis]

In an attempt to bring this thread back to the op’s title, I would say that university continue to function as a useless and expensive four year babysister for far too many young people. University, unless the student is in professional graduate school programs which actually teach a “trade” and a useful trade towards what industry desperately needs such as medicine, nursing, engineering etc; it has been well known for some time that the other programs are meant for “ personal enlightenment” not so much for future employment.

Canada desperately needs skilled trades people and post secondary programs cannot turn them out nearly fast enough to satisfy industrial demand. The solutions are the immigration programs that we are seeing, which is a phenomenon that has been part of Canadian history.

That you have decided to bring race in to this thread is unfortunate and not helpful to the discussion and is disingenuous to the growing ranks of “able bodied“ Canadians who choose not work for whatever reasons and the “drugged out” addicts who are not able to work and contribute to society. The formerly thriving industry in small time Ontario has long since shut dow and now has a disproportionate number of fentanyl and opioid addled young people who are often sent to the GTA for treatment and wind up on the street or in shelters. As an example Toronto I can see a large Metro store now staffed , by new to Canada ,Indian students and Canadian born drugged out panhandlers outside in the parking lot perpetually begging for cash to get a”fix”.

So you want to keep it on topic yet still talk about drugged out Canadians. Ok pumpkin.

But thanks for proving my point. You see a Toronto grocery store and have decided that is the same for ALL of Canada. Where in the hell are Indian students working in a new grocery store in say… Peterborough???? An hour and half from Toronto. You are not going to see it full of Indian students. Your glasses are foggy at best. What about Sudbury, Timmis, North Bay, SSM, Thunderbay. How about Halton Hills, Burlington, Barrie, St. Catherines, London etc? Not the same at all as the GTA and would look very different At that same grocery chain.

You talk about trades and your example is a grocery store - where are your Indian students working trades???? LOL

You made comments generalizing Canadian born people, which we all know you mean young white people, and your own knowledge base is what you personally see in the GTA - ok whatever buddy. Again, if you said Indian students are spreading the word of Islam while working, you would be called racist, but you can call white canadains druggies and that is no issue. You brought race in, not me. You made the accusations of an entire country of people based on nothing of facts at all. Don’t get pissy simply because you got called out for it.

You want to talk Universities - Keep the first two paragraphs, drop the rest. The Rest shows how much you seem to hate ”Canadians” ie young white people.

 

[lomotil]

So you want to keep it on topic yet still talk about drugged out Canadians. Ok pumpkin.

But thanks for proving my point. You see a Toronto grocery store and have decided that is the same for ALL of Canada. Where in the hell are Indian students working in a new grocery store in say… Peterborough???? An hour and half from Toronto. You are not going to see it full of Indian students. Your glasses are foggy at best. What about Sudbury, Timmis, North Bay, SSM, Thunderbay. How about Halton Hills, Burlington, Barrie, St. Catherines, London etc? Not the same at all as the GTA and would look very different At that same grocery chain.

You talk about trades and your example is a grocery store - where are your Indian students working trades???? LOL

You made comments generalizing Canadian born people, which we all know you mean young white people, and your own knowledge base is what you personally see in the GTA - ok whatever buddy. Again, if you said Indian students are spreading the word of Islam while working, you would be called racist, but you can call white canadains druggies and that is no issue. You brought race in, not me. You made the accusations of an entire country of people based on nothing of facts at all. Don’t get pissy simply because you got called out for it.

You want to talk Universities - Keep the first two paragraphs, drop the rest. The Rest shows how much you seem to hate ”Canadians” ie young white people.

The university experience for many is a wonderful experience but it is increasingly apparent that for many student it will be an anachronism and an expensive one at that, both for themselves and the country.

Peterborough’s et al, their time is coming. I find it racist that you are equating “ young white people” with being “ drugged out” and “able bodied “ yet on social assistance and it would appear that you find this to be an inconvenient truth. You then make the conclusion that I don’t like “ young white people“. The problem that I alluded to is not found exclusively among “ young white people” but it is you that made this connection not me.

 

[Jenesis]

The university experience for many is a wonderful experience but it is increasingly apparent that for many student it will be an anachronism and an expensive one at that, both for themselves and the country.

Peterborough’s et al, their time is coming. I find it racist that you are equating “ young white people” with being “ drugged out” and “able bodied “ yet on social assistance and it would appear that you find this to be an inconvenient truth. You then make the conclusion that I don’t like “ young white people“. The problem that I alluded to is not found exclusively among “ young white people” but it is you that made this connection not me.

Tell me you can tell an EI all drugged out is a “Canadian born” EI? You tell me how you can tell?

You can’t.

We all know YOU were talking about white Canadians only. Stop trying to gaslight and deflect.

 

[Frankfooter]

Its never useless to learn more, even if it doesn't lead to jobs. The bigger issue should be the cost of education and putting kids in massive debt for schools.
You also need education for democracy to function, otherwise you get people falling for disinformation and stupid ideas.

Why the book bans? Those who rule us want to crush knowledge

The ruling class does not want us to know who we are, or to understand the struggles of those who came before us

www.salon.com

 

[lomotil]

Tell me you can tell an EI all drugged out is a “Canadian born” EI? You tell me how you can tell?

You can’t.

We all know YOU were talking about white Canadians only. Stop trying to gaslight and deflect.

I know of Canadians who are of multi-ethnic background including EI who are “drugged out”, some born in Canada and some immigrants. Drug addiction is not limited to Caucasians in Canada.

 

[Jenesis]

I know of Canadians who are of multi-ethnic background including EI who are “drugged out”, some born in Canada and some immigrants. Drug addiction is not limited to Caucasians in Canada.

Really??? So those druggies out in front of the new Metro that went up - you know them and know they are Canadian born EIs.

You are so full of shit.

You were talking about white Canadians only. Period. You got busted. Period.

I’m done now

 

[lomotil]

Really??? So those druggies out in front of the new Metro that went up - you know them and know they are Canadian born EIs.

You are so full of shit.

You were talking about white Canadians only. Period. You got busted. Period.

I’m done now

The drug addicts panhandlers in front of Metro were not always exclusively “white”.
I am sure that some of these panhandlers might even have gone to university at some point before they fell of the wagon.
It is unfortunate that you continue to connect druggies with “white “ Canadians when substance abuse doesn’t discriminate.
I did not see what I would imagine to be EI International students panhandling for drug money outside Metro, but they were working inside in part-time jobs.
You are misinterpreting my post unfortunately and putting “white” Canadians in a bad light for reasons best known to yourself.

 

[Y_Diner]

What’s wrong with getting a higher education? As long as you put it to use after ti get a career. Or use that to do a post grad at a college or masters, or grad school

 

[Darts]

I think students in the PRC, Singapore, etc. focus on STEM.

 

[Carvher]

Its never useless to learn more, even if it doesn't lead to jobs. The bigger issue should be the cost of education and putting kids in massive debt for schools.
You also need education for democracy to function, otherwise you get people falling for disinformation and stupid ideas.

Why the book bans? Those who rule us want to crush knowledge

The ruling class does not want us to know who we are, or to understand the struggles of those who came before us

www.salon.com

I agree that it can't hurt you to have a degree of some sort.
Problem is that university is subsidized heavily by government. Government needs to spend it's money more wisely and therefore the courses post secondary schools offer should be assessed for society's future requirements.

 

[basketcase]

I agree that it can't hurt you to have a degree of some sort.
Problem is that university is subsidized heavily by government. Government needs to spend it's money more wisely and therefore the courses post secondary schools offer should be assessed for society's future requirements.

An educated population is a good thing. The only problem is the expectation of the degree making your life a success.

 

[Frankfooter]

I agree that it can't hurt you to have a degree of some sort.
Problem is that university is subsidized heavily by government. Government needs to spend it's money more wisely and therefore the courses post secondary schools offer should be assessed for society's future requirements.

Its the other way around, Germany and others pays for university fully.

6 European Countries With Free College Tuition

Some countries in Europe, such as Norway, Finland, and Germany, provide free or low-cost university education for all students.

www.investopedia.com

Ontario now funds university from foreign students, and that's messed up.