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Romney did well for himself by not losing the debate. Remember, the GOP have run a lousy campaign up to now. One good debate may not be enough to change their fortunes. The vast majority of Americans have already made up their minds who they are going to vote for prior to this debate.I think Mur you are being a little disingenuous about the performance of Romney. I will give you the benefit of the doubt as you shut off the debate...and therefore are making an opinion on prior knowledge.
It was not about simple topics.....in fact this debate discussed the most policy and facts in the history of debates. And it was unanimous that Romney had a much better go at these topics. Furthermore, the consensus is that Romeny was much more relaxed, more happy in appearance, and on top of his game. Obama came off as angry and unsettled..missing many opportunities to counter Romney.
And while Romney embellished one point, it was also pointed out that Obama discussed some fiction as well. The difference being, the Obama did not counter Romneys fiction.
The Dems are livid with Obama.
I guess what I meant wasn't that Romney only discussed simple topics, but that he made his talking points clear and concise, easy to understand. Obama runs in trouble when he uses too much flowery language, and I felt that he didn't clearly distinguish himself from Romney, and didn't effectively point out the gaping holes in Romney's platformI think Mur you are being a little disingenuous about the performance of Romney. I will give you the benefit of the doubt as you shut off the debate...and therefore are making an opinion on prior knowledge.
It was not about simple topics.....in fact this debate discussed the most policy and facts in the history of debates. And it was unanimous that Romney had a much better go at these topics. Furthermore, the consensus is that Romeny was much more relaxed, more happy in appearance, and on top of his game. Obama came off as angry and unsettled..missing many opportunities to counter Romney.
And while Romney embellished one point, it was also pointed out that Obama discussed some fiction as well. The difference being, the Obama did not counter Romneys fiction.
The Dems are livid with Obama.
Romney did awesome. But man, where was Obama's fight? Constantly looking down, not countering Mitt's untruths and a seemingly lack of interest.
However, it's all about the electoral math and Romney's path to 270 is still very difficult. How fucked is it that just by winning California (55 votes) Obama is 1/5 of the way there.
However, it's all about the electoral math and Romney's path to 270 is still very difficult. How fucked is it that just by winning California (55 votes) Obama is 1/5 of the way there.
Shocking that the "Clinton News Network" would say that. Now on the other hand Yahoo News stated "Mitt Romney takes control at first debate."I'm watching CNN now and they're only saying that Obama wasn't bad, but Romney more than held his own against the Pres.
"The sky is falling, the sky is falling" eh Petzel?Yea and that's what is frightening. Especially after all the progress society has made over the last 20 years, Romney would take us all back to the days of illegal abortions!
Which CNN were you watching? They were talking about how Obama got his ass handed to him. Their poll reflected 67% thought Romney won and 25% Obama.I'm watching CNN now and they're only saying that Obama wasn't bad, but Romney more than held his own against the Pres.
Yeah, but every time you take a hostage, you also take hostage everyone they have taken hostage.Exaggerate much?
52 hostages.
Don't watch debates. If I wanted to be lied to and treated like an idiot, I'll ask a stripper if she likes me. At least there is some eye candy there.I believe the problem is that ALL politicians lie....to different degress. It doesn't matter whether it's here or in the USA. It depends on to what degree you feel you can believe your politicians and who is the lesser of the 2 evils. I concede that all politicians try to cast themselves in the best light when they're running for election.
I am the sort of person who will stay up and watch election night coverage to the end even for provinces I have been driven though once 30 years ago as a 10 year old. I'll even read platforms, but I can't watch debates.
I watched the debate on CNN and they showed a split screen with both candidates being shown at the same time. It's not just that Romney was more confident when he spoke, and was an all around better speaker, that's only half the story. The real story is Obama's facial expression when Romney was speaking, he looked nervous, uncomfortable, sad, whereas when Obama spoke Romney always looked calm, collected and happy. I'm not sure which debate the 25% of people who said Obama won were watching, he clearly got his ass handed to him on a silver platter by Romney.
I watched the debate on CNN and they showed a split screen with both candidates being shown at the same time. It's not just that Romney was more confident when he spoke, and was an all around better speaker, that's only half the story. The real story is Obama's facial expression when Romney was speaking, he looked nervous, uncomfortable, sad, whereas when Obama spoke Romney always looked calm, collected and happy. I'm not sure which debate the 25% of people who said Obama won were watching, he clearly got his ass handed to him on a silver platter by Romney.
In my humble opinion, a large part of Obama's apparent pain, discomfort, and embarrassment while being attacked by Romney for his performance over the past almost 4 years was because his performance actually has been abysmal, especially in regards to the the economy and jobs, and in his heart Obama knows that.
Obama couldn't stand there with a confident smile while Romney was stating the facts regarding Obama's failures in those areas, and I'm sure that, given his large ego, it must have been very painful to have to stand there and take it, with no plausible defense other than the fact that he inherited a terrible situation at the beginning of his term.
Romney, on the other hand, has had very little actual negative performance he had to defend, and was able to stand there confidently while Obama attacked him only on his plans for the future should he be elected.
I still think Obama will win the election, for many reasons, and not many of them the right ones.
Back to Iran and the nuclear weapons issue. I truly believe that if Iran develops nuclear weapons it will only be a matter of time, and not a very long time, before they get into the hands of terrorists, which will truly be an uncontrollable and disastrous situation for the Western world.
I agree, on the debate, Obama fell short and Romney got the upper hand. does anyone think this was a updated version of the famous rope-a-dope.
Many of pundit pointed out that Romney hit this stage with a running start having had to go through the gauntlet of the primaries and Obama has basically been in a bubble not having to go face to face with many/any US politician.
With this in mind, maybe last nights debate was a way of getting Romney to give specific details on whatever. He didn't bit too much. Romney may have won last night but he still has to initially survive the next three days of fact checkers and pundits, and the next debate is a week away.
Many of pundit pointed out that Romney hit this stage with a running start having had to go through the gauntlet of the primaries and Obama has basically been in a bubble not having to go face to face with many/any US politician.
With this in mind, maybe last nights debate was a way of getting Romney to give specific details on whatever. He didn't bit too much. Romney may have won last night but he still has to initially survive the next three days of fact checkers and pundits, and the next debate is a week away.
The other stations would honestly report the actual results. If Mitt flubbed it, Fox News would still have to report Mitt's wins and find incidental minor issues to equate Obama to a Muslim terrorist.Not just FOX Sir.....every station tonight clearly gave it to Romney.
That is why I said Fox News must be happy - they don't have to make the news up (this time).
This is not the Obama that we saw 4 years ago. Before he won the election in 2008 he was confident, lively, and a powerful speaker. I'm not exactly sure what changed him, but he seems weak, and unable to defend himself. Is it because he's lived in a white house bubble for 4 years with everyone around him telling him how amazing he is and how he can do no wrong? The debate last night was a reality check and a wakeup call for him. During the next debate we'll see if Obama can bounce back and recover from this. If the 2008 Obama shows up, he still has a very good chance of winning the election, if the Obama of last night shows up he's going to get another pummelling at the hands of Romney and this election might just be over, noone could've predicted this.In my humble opinion, a large part of Obama's apparent pain, discomfort, and embarrassment while being attacked by Romney for his performance over the past almost 4 years was because his performance actually has been abysmal, especially in regards to the the economy and jobs, and in his heart Obama knows that.
Obama couldn't stand there with a confident smile while Romney was stating the facts regarding Obama's failures in those areas, and I'm sure that, given his large ego, it must have been very painful to have to stand there and take it, with no plausible defense other than the fact that he inherited a terrible situation at the beginning of his term.
Romney, on the other hand, has had very little actual negative performance he had to defend, and was able to stand there confidently while Obama attacked him only on his plans for the future should he be elected.
I still think Obama will win the election, for many reasons, and not many of them the right ones.
Back to Iran and the nuclear weapons issue. I truly believe that if Iran develops nuclear weapons it will only be a matter of time, and not a very long time, before they get into the hands of terrorists, which will truly be an uncontrollable and disastrous situation for the Western world.
Obama is going to come back STRONG. I predict Romney getting his ass handed to him in a way none of us can imagine, at this point.
Um gee, maybe he has realized that in the real world 'hope and change' does not fix anything.This is not the Obama that we saw 4 years ago. Before he won the election in 2008 he was confident, lively, and a powerful speaker. I'm not exactly sure what changed him, but he seems weak, and unable to defend himself. Is it because he's lived in a white house bubble for 4 years with everyone around him telling him how amazing he is and how he can do no wrong? The debate last night was a reality check and a wakeup call for him. During the next debate we'll see if Obama can bounce back and recover from this. If the 2008 Obama shows up, he still has a very good chance of winning the election, if the Obama of last night shows up he's going to get another pummelling at the hands of Romney and this election might just be over, noone could've predicted this.
Being the Pres is what changed him. The job is almost too much for anyone to handle! It's easy to understand how he could become discourged, disheartened and the stress alone is enough to age them twofold. Take a look at Lincoln pic's when he started his Presidency and then look at him just before he was killed. He looked about 20 years older. I wouldn't want that job for all the money in the world.This is not the Obama that we saw 4 years ago. Before he won the election in 2008 he was confident, lively, and a powerful speaker. I'm not exactly sure what changed him, but he seems weak, and unable to defend himself. Is it because he's lived in a white house bubble for 4 years with everyone around him telling him how amazing he is and how he can do no wrong? The debate last night was a reality check and a wakeup call for him. During the next debate we'll see if Obama can bounce back and recover from this. If the 2008 Obama shows up, he still has a very good chance of winning the election, if the Obama of last night shows up he's going to get another pummelling at the hands of Romney and this election might just be over, noone could've predicted this.
Obama inherited a mess and had to deal with it...Romney can just sit back and blame him for the mess, giving generalizations that have little policy substance. It was well played by Romney though. Obama needs to get meaner and bring up the dog and the tax returns and the 47% and the flip flops.
It just looks like Obama doesn't want to be president anymore, he looks worn down and it seems like he's had enough and wants to move onto the next chapter of his life i.e. multi-million dollar speaking engagements and appearances post presidency.
All the pundits were saying this debate WAS NOT LIGHT ON FACTS, POLICY AND THE ECOMONY.
In fact, they all say it was the most in-depth debate in history.
Hard to argue that Romney or Obama were light on policies.
As for fact checking, it was pointed out both did a little embellishing...perhaps dabbling in fiction. Although Romney dealt with it better.
In fact, they all say it was the most in-depth debate in history.
Hard to argue that Romney or Obama were light on policies.
As for fact checking, it was pointed out both did a little embellishing...perhaps dabbling in fiction. Although Romney dealt with it better.
