I think that there have been several QBs that were greater in terms of skill sets.
But Brady has undoubtedly had the greatest career, by far.
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But Brady has undoubtedly had the greatest career, by far.
It's an interesting debate about who the second greatest quarterback of all time is.
Other players had more career passing yards and passing touchdowns; but, I always loved Joe Montana. He was my favorite NFL player of all time.
So, that's why I like him.
You have to admit he had intangible leadership qualities and he did win all 4 super bowls he competed in and won super bowl mvp 3 times.
So, that's something.
I saw it myself on the news when I got home
Would have liked to see him give it one more go but great career
I'd also put Peyton Manning ahead of Brady in terms of playing the position. He was an absolute general and tactician and usually with a less than adequate defence and probably around 4 different head coaches. He just played for the wrong organization. If they switch organizations I believe the career trajectories would have been vastly different for each. But nobody can compete with Brady's success.
But I also agree with Joe Mantegna being up there.
Please start at the 5:11 mark:
Saturday Night Live S16E10 - Joe Mantegna : SNL : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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Ding, ding, ding.......GAGNANT/WINNER!
Commencing with the notorious cheating of Spygate and wholly reinforced within the infamous underhanded and underinflated corruption of Deflategate;
Continuing with the absolute sore loser character displayed in the '07, '11, '17 season Super Bowl losses and the '21 season NFC championship game;
And cemented with his obstinate prerequisite that he MUST be surrounded by the best players ONLY on any NFL team that he plays for;
It is clear that if he cannot have every and all advantages over any all competition, he will suck out, be a sore loser and QUIT.
The Giants, the Jaguars, the Texans, the Jets and the Lions in 2020, all would have been better vehicles for him to truly display his greatness to mankind instead of the already stacked and fully loaded Bucaneers.
Brady should sign with the Giants or Texans, or Jets, or Lions for the 2022 season!
This is what the prima donna Brady has never had the ability nor especially the CHARACTER to accomplish:
Joe Burrow of the Bengals vs the Tennessee Titan in divisional round of the 2021 season playoffs was SACKED 9 times yet:
1) Managed to complete 28 of 37 pass attempts for 348 yards
2) Lead his team to 5 scores
3) And win the game.
Now that was one of the most monumental quarterbacking performances of all time.
Heck Brady has never been able to handle being pressured let alone sacked. He wilts, he melts, he sobs, he cries and his whining and tantrums at the refs imploring them to call non existent defensive penalties is legendary.
Someone, anyone please tell me which games he has been able to muster the character, courage and competence to lead his team to victory when he has been under pressure and sacked post the 2004 season ending SB.
Joe Burrow of the Bengals vs the Tennessee Titan in divisional round of the 2021 season playoffs was SACKED 9 times yet:
1) Managed to complete 28 of 37 pass attempts for 348 yards
2) Lead his team to 5 scores
3) And win the game.
Now that was one of the most monumental quarterbacking performances of all time.
Heck Brady has never been able to handle being pressured let alone sacked. He wilts, he melts, he sobs, he cries and his whining and tantrums at the refs imploring them to call non existent defensive penalties is legendary.
Someone, anyone please tell me which games he has been able to muster the character, courage and competence to lead his team to victory when he has been under pressure and sacked post the 2004 season ending SB.
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How does the Mighty Brady lose 2 SBs to the lowly Eli; 1 SB to perennial bench warmer Nick Foles and 1 NFC championship game to perennial loser Stafford? And why did he completely 'suck out' and 'sore loser' after realizing he lost thse games?
And if he can't be surrounded by the best players in the league and an offensive line that keeps his jersey as spotless at the end of the games as it was at the start, he quits.
I mean, who does that?
What's up with that?
There was the pre 2007 season Brady that was respected and admired and unfortunately the 2007 and beyond prima donna Brady that duly warranted scorn, contempt and disdain.
And if he can't be surrounded by the best players in the league and an offensive line that keeps his jersey as spotless at the end of the games as it was at the start, he quits.
I mean, who does that?
What's up with that?
There was the pre 2007 season Brady that was respected and admired and unfortunately the 2007 and beyond prima donna Brady that duly warranted scorn, contempt and disdain.
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Shack, thanks for the video, that was funny
Anyway, I would say for a great athlete to have champion level success they need to be at least a little bit lucky and get in the right place at the right time.
Look at what Matt Stafford is doing now that he escaped from his old team.
Brady and Montana both had superb A1 situations being in professional organizations with good coaches in Bill Belichick and Bill Walsh.
In one of Montana's super bowl winning seasons I believe he had 4 defensive pro bowlers on his team which is a tough obstacle for a quarterback to overcome.
If, in let's say an imagination experiment, you bring Tom Brady into the league in the spring of 1970 with the Detroit Lions at a time when the league was dominated by Miami, Dallas, Pittsburg and Oakland - it's entirely possible he could have played his entire career without winning a single Superbowl.
He would have been a great quarterback, because talent is talent; still, you also need a bit of lady luck on your side.
He could have been Dan Marino.
Plus it's almost impossible that he would have played to age 40 back in the day because the league was much more brutal and savage in how quarterbacks were treated.
Roger Staubach had to quit football after 9 years as a starting quarterback for Dallas because of all the concussions he had.
Yea, Brady benefited greatly from playing the the free quarterback era.
Let's face it, from 1993 to 2016 the NFL passed about six major rule changes to promote offense by mostly protecting and enhancing the time, space and freedom that quarterbacks and receivers had to do their thing and also give them full immunity from certain types of defensive contact by defensive teams.
The result of all this new freedom has been an enormous explosion in passing yards and passes completed as well as passer ratings and quarterback ratings.
In the 1970s and 1980s elite quarterbacks passed 2700 yards and more a season, now to be considered elite, you need to pass for 4,000 to 5,500 yards in a season thanks to all the new rule changes.
It's like the NHL decided to make hockey nets 18 inches wider in 1996 and it makes it tougher to compare goal scorers who played in different eras.
Yes, that's true, he was a 27 year old rookie and didn't become a starter until he was 29.
Dan Marino is the best QB to never win the SB.
Will Mahomes retire after his 10 years and retire? NFL is not golf and the body and brain take a lot of hits.
"Patrick Mahomes signed a 10 year, $450,000,000 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $141,481,905 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $45,000,000."
Will Mahomes retire after his 10 years and retire? NFL is not golf and the body and brain take a lot of hits.
"Patrick Mahomes signed a 10 year, $450,000,000 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $141,481,905 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $45,000,000."
Good assessment.
One thing I would add as to the explosion of offense that helped Brady set all time records is that even prior to all the rule changes that protected him and allowed to play 22 seasons, is that offensive philosophies changed. And I believe that it started with Bill Walsh and his West Coast offense, the benefit of which Montana was the main recipient. Walsh showed that ball control and possession could be established with the passing game, which had never been done before. Prior to that it was always run, run, run. Franco Harris, Larry Csonka, John Riggins and the Hogs. So, once those rules changes, of which you spoke, came in the team of Brady and Belichek really went to town.
Good point.
It was with the Cincinnati Bengals in the '70s that Walsh developed the philosophy now known as the "West Coast offense", as a matter of necessity. Cincinnati's new quarterback, Virgil Carter, was known for his great mobility and accuracy but lacked a strong arm necessary to throw deep passes. Thus, Walsh modified the vertical passing scheme, designing a horizontal passing system that relied on quick, short throws, often spreading the ball across the entire width of the field.The new offense was much better suited to Carter's physical abilities; he led the league in pass completion percentage in 1971.
Walsh spent eight seasons as an assistant with the Bengals. Ken Anderson eventually replaced Carter as starting quarterback, and, together with star wide receiver Isaac Curtis, produced a consistent, effective offensive attack. I
The difference between the Bengals of the '70s and the Niners of the '80s was this:
1) The Niners had a much better defence.
2) The Niners did not have to go through the '70s Steelers to reach the SB.
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That's a great point about Bill Walsh and a lot of people don't know this; but, Don Coryell also had a strong influence on shaping the 49er's west coast offence. Walsh and Coryell never worked for the same team at the same time; but, they had long conversations about offensive philosophy.
Coryell influenced both offensive and defensive football because by putting an unorthodox 4 receivers out there, he forced defenses to come up with an answer for it. Nobody ever heard of nickel or dime passing defenses until "Air Coryell" came along.
Dan Fouts said he never would have been inducted into the pro football hall of fame if he didn't work under Coryell.
From 1979 to 1981 Fouts became the first quarterback to throw for 3 consecutive 4,000 yard seasons.
It can plausibly be argued that Dan Fouts and Don Coryell were the "big bang" moment for when the NFL made the baby steps toward becoming an aerial league.
It was all so exciting, it was like, Don Shula you are so yesterday. Go back to the dinosaur pit from where you came.
And, as an aside, I like all the rule changes that the NFL has instituted over the years to enhance offence. The league is an entertainment league at the end of the day and it's a lot more fun to watch games now with all the wild wacky aerial shows going on every weekend.
Here is an essay on all the rule changes over the years that have protected passers and receivers:
How NFL Rule Changes Created a Golden Era of Quarterback Stats
ESPN’s Tim Hasselbeck walks us through the tweaks that help QBs put up staggering career numbers.
www.insidehook.com
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