tires with retractable studs
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Anyone has any experience using them? Are they good on snow compared to regular snowtire or 4-season tires? Are there other brands besides q-tires? http://www.qtires.com/
Because it would cost millions of dollars a year to repair the damage caused from metal studs hammering away at pavement.
Plus studs are only useful in a relatively rare event: they provide better traction on a roadway slick with sheet ice.
Anyway studs have been banned in Ontario for a long long time, - since 1971.
They pour so much salt on the roads in Ontario that you would probably have to drive many winters before every finding any ice to slide on.
Unless you live in the hinterlands of course. Or possibly in the snowbelt...don't know, don't live there.
Studded Tires are legal in Northern Ontario
Who can use studded tires?
Northern residents living north of and including Parry Sound and Nipissing Districts can now use studded tires on their vehicles.
When can I use my studded tires?
Northern Ontario residents can use studded tires with lightweight studs, anywhere in Ontario, from October 1 to April 30 inclusive. Using illegal studs, driving outside the legal time period, and Southern Ontario residents using studs on their vehicles can result in fines of up to $1,000.
How much does it cost to purchase a studded tire?
On average, a studdable tire could cost anywhere from $90 - $150 per tire or more depending on the make and size of the tire. This is similar to the cost of a winter tire. The price for studding a tire is typically $25 per tire and up.
Where can I get studded tires?
Studded tires are now available and can be ordered by your local tire installer or supplier in Northern Ontario. Follow manufacturers' recommendations for installation, maintenance and operations
What type of studs can I use?
Only lightweight Scandinavian studs can be used in Northern Ontario. The maximum stud weight for each type of vehicle is regulated.
Where can I get more information on the type of studded tires I can use in Northern Ontario?
Detailed information is included in Regulation 625 and is available through E-Laws: Highway Traffic Act - Tire Standards and Specifications
Do out-of-province visitors face fines if they have heavy (steel) studs on their vehicles?
No, as long as they do not stay longer than 30 days. The stud weight regulation does not apply to visitors. Similarly to Northern residents, they can use studded tires, in the legal period, anywhere in Ontario.
From: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/faq/vehicle.shtml
Who can use studded tires?
Northern residents living north of and including Parry Sound and Nipissing Districts can now use studded tires on their vehicles.
When can I use my studded tires?
Northern Ontario residents can use studded tires with lightweight studs, anywhere in Ontario, from October 1 to April 30 inclusive. Using illegal studs, driving outside the legal time period, and Southern Ontario residents using studs on their vehicles can result in fines of up to $1,000.
How much does it cost to purchase a studded tire?
On average, a studdable tire could cost anywhere from $90 - $150 per tire or more depending on the make and size of the tire. This is similar to the cost of a winter tire. The price for studding a tire is typically $25 per tire and up.
Where can I get studded tires?
Studded tires are now available and can be ordered by your local tire installer or supplier in Northern Ontario. Follow manufacturers' recommendations for installation, maintenance and operations
What type of studs can I use?
Only lightweight Scandinavian studs can be used in Northern Ontario. The maximum stud weight for each type of vehicle is regulated.
Where can I get more information on the type of studded tires I can use in Northern Ontario?
Detailed information is included in Regulation 625 and is available through E-Laws: Highway Traffic Act - Tire Standards and Specifications
Do out-of-province visitors face fines if they have heavy (steel) studs on their vehicles?
No, as long as they do not stay longer than 30 days. The stud weight regulation does not apply to visitors. Similarly to Northern residents, they can use studded tires, in the legal period, anywhere in Ontario.
From: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/faq/vehicle.shtml
Maybe you're right about the law being stupid. But for sure and for certain many of the drivers who buy them will be. Which means they'll extend the studs then forget to ever retract them; what would remind them? Not skidding?
And just imagine how rugged and reliable this brandnew technology will have to be to work after spinning at 120kmh for six months in freezing cold and salty slush. Even if the driver remembers to retract, what evidence is there that the device will still work? Wait 'til they're proven by wide useage.
Even ordinary all-weather radials can do you just fine in a TO winter, if, you drive prudently, observantly and with due attention to what the weather's done to your stretch of the roadway and to the idiot in front of you. Like a lot of 'safety devices' (See the Munich Taxi Study of ABS brakes) these have great potential to encourage bad driving, because you think they'll save you.
Their own website sais that you an use the retractable studs 20 - 30 times under normal circumstances. You can destroy them in a short time if you forget to retract them. If you puncture the inner air bladder that deploys the studs, you will have to have the tires unmounted from the rim and repaired from the inside, you will also have to rebalance the tire.
My suggestion, spend the money on a well known brand of snow tires.
On the matter of ABS brakes, I used the ABS as a warning system to drive more carefully. If the government mandated a system in the car where if the ABS activeates often in a short period of time a warning alarm would sound to remind the driver to slow down. As the ABS use increases the warning would get louder and activate more often. This would encourage safer driving.
My suggestion, spend the money on a well known brand of snow tires.
On the matter of ABS brakes, I used the ABS as a warning system to drive more carefully. If the government mandated a system in the car where if the ABS activeates often in a short period of time a warning alarm would sound to remind the driver to slow down. As the ABS use increases the warning would get louder and activate more often. This would encourage safer driving.
Cycleguy007
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I think I saw a Lotus Esprit with spiked tires once... or maybe it was an Aston Martin...
yeah... it was in a bond movie and he pushed one of Q's buttons on the dash and the spikes came out of the side of the tire.
Cycleguy007
Banned
given the actual amount of snow and serious snow events in Toronto a good set of all seaon radials will work well for most cars. Please note I said most cars, Mini Vans, vans and light trucks will need Snow tires on the drive wheels at a minimum preferably on all four wheels, this goes for all wheel and four wheel drive vehicles as well the traction is a factor of the weight of the vehicle large vehiclea that have an unbalanced body, ie vans and minivans are basically tobogans in snow, proper rubber can and will save you.
ABS is a serious problem in snow, the basic concept is a motion detector on the rotating assemble of the wheel system determines if the wheel is rotating. If it determins that one wheel is locked and the others are not it releases the brake on that wheel. This works well on dry land you get steering control back and the brake reengages when the skid situation disappears. Now to the problem most drivcing instructors and salesmen use the adage .... you have ABS just stand on the brakes let the computer do the work. The concept of actually driving out of a skid or controling the brakeing of your vehical is long gone. Anybody old enough to remember " Pump the Brakes"? .
When you are on snow any brake presure can lock your brakes up and gues what, the computer determines that you are in a skid situation and releases your brakes... oopps sorry about that let me get my insurance.....
As far as studs go if there is a deicing program ie road salt you really should not need them and they do indeed damage the road surface and at as cost of millions per kilometer to repair it ther govt will not allow them . Northern areas can use them because salt does not work below abouit -10 degrees and northern areas use sand . You get a build up of snow on the road covered in sand the studs don't really hit the ashphalt
ABS is a serious problem in snow, the basic concept is a motion detector on the rotating assemble of the wheel system determines if the wheel is rotating. If it determins that one wheel is locked and the others are not it releases the brake on that wheel. This works well on dry land you get steering control back and the brake reengages when the skid situation disappears. Now to the problem most drivcing instructors and salesmen use the adage .... you have ABS just stand on the brakes let the computer do the work. The concept of actually driving out of a skid or controling the brakeing of your vehical is long gone. Anybody old enough to remember " Pump the Brakes"? .
When you are on snow any brake presure can lock your brakes up and gues what, the computer determines that you are in a skid situation and releases your brakes... oopps sorry about that let me get my insurance.....
As far as studs go if there is a deicing program ie road salt you really should not need them and they do indeed damage the road surface and at as cost of millions per kilometer to repair it ther govt will not allow them . Northern areas can use them because salt does not work below abouit -10 degrees and northern areas use sand . You get a build up of snow on the road covered in sand the studs don't really hit the ashphalt
my car is rear wheel drive! it is very hard to control in the snow even with the snow tire. I change to summer tire when winter ends because i hate the way snow tire rides. it makes noise and less stable when driven fast on dry pavement. And the added cost of changing tires twice a year. Retractable seems the perfect solution. Somebody should have came up with it earlier.
If I just buy it from other province get them shipped here and install them myself. there is no way coppers can tell when your driving. I just dont see this law being enforceble. Most of the time it is retracted, so cops cant see the studs. when it's heavy snow, there will be so many accidents, i think cops have better things to do than stopping cars with studs tires.
If I just buy it from other province get them shipped here and install them myself. there is no way coppers can tell when your driving. I just dont see this law being enforceble. Most of the time it is retracted, so cops cant see the studs. when it's heavy snow, there will be so many accidents, i think cops have better things to do than stopping cars with studs tires.
As one who has driven through the most horrendous weather you can imagine because I had to, I know that studs are the golden bullet that people think they are. Most people and I'll put Diane in that category with confidence, stay indoors and off the roads in weather that they would be helpful. they're only going to make any difference if you drive on snowy roads most of the time and seldom over +4C between November and March.
You're breaking the law, using complicated technology you don't need to and spending money, anyone know the price for these tires, that isn't necessary. So I ask you why do you want them, considering all that has been posted against them in this thread?
You're breaking the law, using complicated technology you don't need to and spending money, anyone know the price for these tires, that isn't necessary. So I ask you why do you want them, considering all that has been posted against them in this thread?
Snow tires are made of a different rubber compound than regular tires that is why they sound different. It is much more pliable in all weather but specifically in winter. That is why snow tires work in the winter not the tread design. Your studed tires would likely have to be removed every spring anyway. Winter tires will wear out in less than a summers driveing
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