Tipping

[canucklehead]

I tip when i meet an exceptional service orientated individual in almost any "service" orientated business........ i as a professional have often received "tips" or as we like to call them "bonuses" or gifts of appreciation from a satisfied client.
When someone is really happy with "work" you have done for them or saved them months if not days of work, the client often shows their appreciation. Tipping should be purely based on the work done and your overall satisfaction.

 

[midLifeCrisis]

You tip minimum wage service workers, not high paid professionals like escorts are.

Median annual income for female sex workers: $20,000

Source: Benoit & Millar, 2001

 

[BoxHunter]

I don't think so.

I'd like to see you attempt to get a mortgage w/o a T4 and up dated tax returns and see how far you get. Let me know...and if you do somehow manage this miracle, PLEASE HOOK ME UP!

 

[The_Jaded_One]

Median annual income for female sex workers: $20,000

Source: Benoit & Millar, 2001

That's not a very good source. The survey consisted of only 147 girls with a mean age of 32 and a range of 17 to 60. The median level of education was grade 10. How accurate can self-reporting from that sample population be and is it really that reflective of the sex worker population as a whole?

 

[midLifeCrisis]

That's not a very good source.

Se let's see your data.

 

[sweet guy]

You tip minimum wage service workers, not high paid professionals like escorts are.

Your reward for the SP should be your a repeat client. They should always give good service just like any professional not for a tip....Tipping is totally silly when the escort may often be making more than the customer.....

There may be two exceptions

1) The insecure client that feels the need to tip to impress and fell big.

2) The wealthy customer that has more funds than he can ever use and can afford not to be a good steward of his financial wealth.

Sounds like I am an idiot and insecure to tip my regular SP after becoming a sort of her regular.

So Dave, do you mean only the insecure jerk/big time loser will tip big time to the SP?

Guess the "wealthy" SP has the last laugh on tipping?

Personally, I never overpay any tips. Nice thoughtful inexpensive gifts are adequate, something that won't cause you an arm or a leg.

It's about showing gesture of goodwill and I will stop seeing my regular SP ever again if I suspect and catch her bitching her displeasure on my tips.

Tip is not an entitlement, it's an appreciation to her high quality service and it's discretionary.

 

[The_Jaded_One]

Se let's see your data.

Are you trying to imply that unless I can find a reliable source for mean income of sex workers that my opinion of your source must be wrong? I don't think so.

If you think about it from a logical standpoint, the primary motive for becoming an escort is the money. The mean income in Canada is roughly $31,000. You can make more than $20,000 working at Mickey D's. SP's have to be compensated well above the mean income for factors such as safety, the emotional toll it takes on them, opportunity cost in terms of furthering a career, and the fact that most girls don't like having sex with guys that are significantly less than their ideal. Most SP's, if they are being honest, are looking for an out but the fact that they can't find a job with nearly the equivalent income keeps them in the business.

 

[sweet guy]

Median annual income for female sex workers: $20,000

Source: Benoit & Millar, 2001

I suspect the median is at least double on that amount before tax. Maybe around the $45000.

BTW, I think many SPs are smarter nowadays as they would voluntarily fill in the tax and find smart accountants to get more legit deductions to shelter any gains.

Remember how the FBI knocked down Al Carpone? It's tax evasion and any smart SP will not let the auditors at CCRA any openings to audit and probe her source of income.

Regarding the lifespan of the job itself, I suspect many SPs will rather find a "civilian" man who is hopefully not "dipping" his pen that often to her "co-workers" than the clients. Not that many SPs will find dating a client attractive.

No pun intended, I won't be surprised when behind the clients back, most of their clients aren't your ideal men they will date in the civilian life, especially those clients with the same age group or younger.

How big a joke you really are when you are told you should go to the clubs to hit on the chicks or check out lavalife, instead of seeing a pro?

 

[sweet guy]

SP's have to be compensated well above the mean income for factors such as safety, the emotional toll it takes on them, opportunity cost in terms of furthering a career, and the fact that most girls don't like having sex with guys that are significantly less than their ideal.

That is so true and we are always in denial and think she doesn't just say that!

Yeah, I know too well when you hear some SPs bitching and making fun on some clients who are not there at the other rooms, even though those clients are "insecure" enough to pay large tips.

BTW, I do not believe the whole emotional toll thing. A good, seasonal SP is stone cold emotionally when providing service so intimate like DFK, and with stomach as hard as steel when kissing with clients who are washed up, has been, geeky, nerdy, wimpy jerks.

The only thing that may be true is she doesn't have any positive attitude to any male. There's no difference between the "hobbyists" and the "civilians", well maybe with the uptight Christians. I will be grateful if she doesn't equal men as hogs.

 

[shinyam]

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/lcj/working/ch4-3.html

The above link is on the earnings of Australian prostitutes. Keep in mind that the average income for Australians is very similar to Canadians, and the Aussie dollar is exactly the same value as the loonie.

 

[The_Jaded_One]

BTW, I do not believe the whole emotional toll thing. A good, seasonal SP is stone cold emotionally when providing service so intimate like DFK, and with stomach as hard as steel when kissing with clients who are washed up, has been, geeky, nerdy, wimpy jerks.

Perhaps some become jaded to a degree and learn to compartmentalize their emotions but I doubt many are "stone cold emotionally".

 

[sweet guy]

Perhaps some become jaded to a degree and learn to compartmentalize their emotions but I doubt many are "stone cold emotionally".

Does she tell you on that?

She will cringe when you slip out of tongue and show your affection in the heat of the moment, or bitchslap you when you are doing some "perverted".

 

[midLifeCrisis]

Originally posted by BoxHunter
I'd like to see you attempt to get a mortgage w/o a T4 and up dated tax returns and see how far you get. Let me know...and if you do somehow manage this miracle, PLEASE HOOK ME UP!

They're called "low documentation mortgages" and you can get one from any mortgage broker. Count on paying an interest rate of about double what you would pay if you could document your income to your friendly banker.

Originally posted by The_Jaded_One[/i]
Are you trying to imply that unless I can find a reliable source for mean income of sex workers that my opinion of your source must be wrong? I don't think so.

If you think about it from a logical standpoint...

In other words, "If you're guessing ... "

Originally posted by shinyam
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/lcj/working/ch4-3.html

The above link is on the earnings of Australian prostitutes. Keep in mind that the average income for Australians is very similar to Canadians, and the Aussie dollar is exactly the same value as the loonie.

Superb link, shinyam! Thank you!

Originally posted by sweet guy
BTW, I do not believe the whole emotional toll thing. A good, seasonal SP is stone cold emotionally when providing service so intimate like DFK, and with stomach as hard as steel when kissing with clients who are washed up, has been, geeky, nerdy, wimpy jerks.

You've either been seeing the wrong girls or have simply applied your prejudices.

 

[BoxHunter]

They're called "low documentation mortgages" and you can get one from any mortgage broker. Count on paying an interest rate of about double what you would pay if you could document your income to your friendly banker.


Which completely defeats the purpose of having a "tax-free" income. Why would I want to pay someone else twice as much in interest when I could claim my income, improve my credit and be as normal a citizen as the banker himself? Believe me, a woman in this business knows that claiming her taxes is a much smarter move down the line. On another point; as an MPA in Canada, my net worth is much higher than $20 000 - I find it difficult to believe that an SP makes less.

 

[The_Jaded_One]

Does she tell you on that?

She will cringe when you slip out of tongue and show your affection in the heat of the moment, or bitchslap you when you are doing some "perverted".

Don't you think your stance is somewhat hypocritical? To be honest I am not sure exactly what you said b/c I don't have my stupid to English dictionary with me at the moment but if you truly believe that SP's are "emotionally stone cold" and are angry at them for that then why do you see them? Oh yeah, you see them just for the sex ...

Have you considered that you might be attracting what you reflect or getting what you give? Also, your attitudes become a self-fulfilling prophecy b/c you selectively filter what you want to see and react to that.

PS MLC - There is a difference between guessing and logical deduction.

 

[WhOiSyOdAdDy?]

Here's my policy.......................don't tip

thats my policy as well

 

[midLifeCrisis]

Which completely defeats the purpose of having a "tax-free" income. Why would I want to pay someone else twice as much in interest when I could claim my income, improve my credit and be as normal a citizen as the banker himself? Believe me, a woman in this business knows that claiming her taxes is a much smarter move down the line. On another point; as an MPA in Canada, my net worth is much higher than $20 000 - I find it difficult to believe that an SP makes less.

Well, I don't know about "completely", but I'll go for "largely".

Forgot to mention ... the other problem with going the don't declare/private mortgage route is that there's always the chance the tax-man will wonder how you can live in such a fancy postal code with such a non-fancy income and start asking questions you may not wish to answer.

 

[RemyMartin]

I'd like to see you attempt to get a mortgage w/o a T4 and up dated tax returns and see how far you get. Let me know...and if you do somehow manage this miracle, PLEASE HOOK ME UP!

as long as you can pay the down payment (25%), its not hard to get a mortgage.

 

[RemyMartin]

an sp makes $20000 or less in Canada is a joke.

say an indy sp charge $250/hr.

she only have to work 80 hrs/year to make $20,000.

 

[healer677]

OK ....so I guess the consensus is no tipping.....and no T4 = no mortage - got it.