Tillerson calls Trump a moron

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No he didn't.

He denied that he was every considering resigning. When asked about calling Trump a moron, he skirted the question. Which means he did say it. One would think he would indeed deny such an accusation if it were untrue.

Besides, describing Trump as a moron is only too kind.
For sure.

It seems more likely "when" rather than "if" at this point. Resignation forthcoming, methinks. Probably not today or tomorrow, but I'd be shocked if he's still SOS by the time we get to 2018.

WP, NYT, Politco and The Hill have been reporting this as likely or inevitable for what seems like months.
 

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For sure.

It seems more likely "when" rather than "if" at this point. Resignation forthcoming, methinks. Probably not today or tomorrow, but I'd be shocked if he's still SOS by the time we get to 2018.

WP, NYT, Politco and The Hill have been reporting this as likely or inevitable for what seems like months.
Considering how many of Trump's top aides have either resigned or were fired, yes, I will not be surprised if he is history within 6 months.
No doubt Trump will pick on him just like he did so with Sessions.
 

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I guess the morons on this thread missed the part on the video when Tillerson said Trump is smart.
Haha, right?

*flummoxed*
 

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Secretary Tillerson has vehemently and uncategorically denied this report which originated with NBC

I hate to go all fuji on you, but you are lying. You are an intelligent man, a litigator who is trained and experienced to know what people are saying and not saying. So you know better. But your emotional investment in Donald Trump is seriously impairing your ability to act based on facts. You act and speak and think on emotion when it comes to any criticism of Trump. As does Donald Trump does himself.



Of course IF true, what this would say is that Secretary Tillerson is a man utterly without scruples, morals, or loyalty..

No , his lack of resignation does not say any such thing. Maybe it says that he has morals and is continuing in his position to protect the United States and the world, despite having to work under President Trump? Any citizen or Secretary or elected government official has loyalty to his country foirst and foremost. That loyalty to his country comes wall ahead of loyalty to a current President. Otherwise Republican General or soldier would have had to resign if they said Obama was an idiot etc. These people serve the public and their country. Not the current President.


Is that truly the sort of person you want to have serving as Secretary of State of the United States?
Yes, somebody like Tillerson who is not a sycophant, has true global experience in negotiations and a desire to find diplomatic solutions before resorting to war and killing is exactly the guy that I want serving as Secretary of State of the United States.
 

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The truth is that Trump has proven himself to be a moron on foreign policy issues. He is smart on real estate and financing of same and appealing to the "keep America white" crowd. Is really so far fetched that Tillerson wouldn't have said after what Trump about his efforts on the North Korea file. If it had been I would resigned and then called him a moron.
 

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Of course IF true, what this would say is that Secretary Tillerson is a man utterly without scruples, morals, or loyalty. Is that truly the sort of person you want to have serving as Secretary of State of the United States?

Ah I see Smallcock said basically the same thing two above.
Or it means that Trump is a moron and a guy like Tillerson can't stomach working for the fuck head and its wearing on him. Which I believe to be the case.

I also believe that Trump simply can't afford another resignation / firing. The optics would be absolutely disastrous for Trump and Tillerson is the last guy that Trump can afford to lose right now.
 

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Or it means that Trump is a moron and a guy like Tillerson can't stomach working for the fuck head and its wearing on him. Which I believe to be the case.

I also believe that Trump simply can't afford another resignation / firing. The optics would be absolutely disastrous for Trump and Tillerson is the last guy that Trump can afford to lose right now.
Maybe the Moron will fly over North Korea in his private jet and happily free throw toss packaged paper towel rolls out the plane.

"Oh look it's the Dotard."
 

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Or it means that Trump is a moron and a guy like Tillerson can't stomach working for the fuck head and its wearing on him. Which I believe to be the case.

I also believe that Trump simply can't afford another resignation / firing. The optics would be absolutely disastrous for Trump and Tillerson is the last guy that Trump can afford to lose right now.
Come on you can't honestly believe that if there was reliable evidence that Secretary Tillerson had publicly called the President of the United States a moron, that Secretary Tillerson would presently be serving!
 

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No he didn't. He denied reports that he was resigning. He never denied calling Trump a moron.
You guys are bending over backwards trying to give legs to this obvious fake news lie. Tillerson is a serious man and called the report what it is - petty journalism. Playing into it is beneath him. He did quite clearly state publicly that he thinks Trump is smart. Stick to what's real.
 

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If he believes Trump is a moron, and said so, you can bet that:

1) Tillerson is a super duper moron for wanting to work for and calling it an honour to work for a moron and further a moron's agenda

2) Trump would be very angry and Tillerson would be removed from his position for being so disrespectful and unbecoming of his office.

The fact that we're discussing this because of an obvious fake news lie, is moronic.
There is no question that he called Trump a moron and he never denied it. Look at the interview - when specifically asked if he said Trump was a moron (actually a 'fucking moron') Tillerson refused to answer.

Why would someone work for a fucking moron - because he is patriotic to his country (not to the fucking moron) and doesn't want his country plunged into WW-III which Trump would do if left alone.

Fuck the 'fake news' bullshit - just look at Trump - the guy tweeting and saying everything that is later reported as fake news. As obviously incompetent and racist Trump was at the start of his campaign - I would never have predicted what an absolute dickhead this piece of narcissistic garbage could be domestically and internationally.

It is funny watching his supporters twist truth, logic and simple video replay into a defense for this idiot. The entire world is a conspiracy against this piece of human garbage - really ???

I thought Rob Ford supporters were blind to the inevitable fall but Trump supporters have an almost cult like zeal that is unprecedented. I do wonder if they would be natural Kim Jong-un supporters if they were born in North Korea. They share same aversion to facts.
 

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Come on you can't honestly believe that if there was reliable evidence that Secretary Tillerson had publicly called the President of the United States a moron, that Secretary Tillerson would presently be serving!

I saw what you did there you crafty fellow you! :fencing:

You know that nobody said that he said it "publicly". Unless you think the meeting held in a secure room in the Pentagon known as "The Tank" with Cabinet members and National Security Team members is "in public"!


I would respectfully submit to you my friend, that the story is congruent with the facts we know and "on the balance of probabilities" the following account seems to have the "ring of truth to it" :

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ury-trump-required-intervention-pence-n806451


WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was on the verge of resigning this past summer amid mounting policy disputes and clashes with the White House, according to senior administration officials who were aware of the situation at the time.

The tensions came to a head around the time President Donald Trump delivered a politicized speech in late July to the Boy Scouts of America, an organization Tillerson once led, the officials said.

Just days earlier, Tillerson had openly disparaged the president, referring to him as a “moron,” after a July 20 meeting at the Pentagon with members of Trump’s national security team and Cabinet officials, according to three officials familiar with the incident.

In an unscheduled statement to reporters Wednesday morning, Tillerson directly addressed that version of events, saying, "I have never considered leaving this post."


He praised Trump's foreign policy agenda, saying he was part of a team to "make America great again." But he did not deny calling the president a "moron," declining to address that remark directly and saying, "I'm not going to deal with petty stuff like that."

In a briefing Wednesday afternoon, State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert said Tillerson did not use the word "moron" to descibe the president. "The secretary did not use that type of language to speak about the president of the Unites States," Nauert said. "He did not say that."

The president was asked about Tillerson's remarks after touring the University Medical Center in Las Vegas Wednesday and said, "I am very honored by his comments, it was fake news, it was a totally phony story." Trump added that he has "total confidence in Rex."

While it's unclear if he was aware of the incident at the Pentagon, officials said Vice President Mike Pence counseled Tillerson, who is fourth in line to the presidency, on ways to ease tensions with Trump, and other top administration officials urged him to remain in the job at least until the end of the year.

Officials said that the administration, beset then by a series of high-level firings and resignations, would have struggled to manage the fallout from a Cabinet secretary of his stature departing within the first year of Trump’s presidency.


Pence has since spoken to Tillerson about being respectful of the president in meetings and in public, urging that any disagreements be sorted out privately, a White House official said. The official said progress has since been made.
Yet the disputes have not abated. This weekend, tensions spilled out into the open once again when the president seemed to publicly chide Tillerson on his handling of the crisis with North Korea.

NBC News spoke with a dozen current and former senior administration officials for this article, as well as others who are close to the president.

Tillerson, who was in Texas for his son’s wedding in late July when Trump addressed the Boy Scouts, had threatened not to return to Washington, according to three people with direct knowledge of the threats. His discussions with retired Gen. John Kelly, who would soon be named Trump’s second chief of staff, and Defense Secretary James Mattis, helped initially to reassure him, four people with direct knowledge of the exchanges said.

After Tillerson’s return to Washington, Pence arranged a meeting with him, according to three officials. During the meeting, Pence gave Tillerson a “pep talk,” one of these officials said, but also had a message: the secretary needed to figure out how to move forward within Trump’s policy framework.

Kelly and Mattis have been Tillerson’s strongest allies in the cabinet. In late July, “they did beg him to stay,” a senior administration official said. “They just wanted stability.”

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Tillerson and Trump clashed over a series of key foreign policy issues over the summer, including Iran and Qatar.

Trump chafed at Tillerson’s attempts to push him – privately and publicly – toward decisions that were at odds with his policy positions, according to officials. Hammond said Tillerson has had no policy differences with Trump. “The president’s policy is his policy,” Hammond said.

In August, Trump was furious with Tillerson over his response to a question about the president’s handling of the racially charged and deadly violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, administration officials said. Trump had said publicly that white nationalists and neo-Nazi sympathizers shared blame for violence with those who came out to protest them.

“The president speaks for himself,” Tillerson said at the time, when asked on “Fox News Sunday” about Trump’s comments.

Hammond said Trump addressed the issue with Tillerson in a meeting the next day. He said that during the meeting, Trump congratulated another White House official, Homeland Security Adviser Tom Bossert, for his performance on the Sunday news talk shows. Bossert had defended Trump’s controversial pardon of former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio.


The president, according to Hammond, told Tillerson he was upset with his comments when he saw them the first time.

But, Hammond said Trump told Tillerson, after watching the interview a second and third time, the president understood that Tillerson was trying to say Trump is the best person to convey what his values are.

Still, the message was clear that Trump wanted Tillerson to defend him more, Hammond said.

The frustrations run both ways. Tillerson stunned a handful of senior administration officials when he called the president a “moron” after a tense two-hour long meeting in a secure room at the Pentagon called "The Tank," according to three officials who were present or briefed on the incident.

The July 20 meeting came a day after a meeting in the White House Situation Room on Afghanistan policy where Trump rattled his national security advisers by suggesting he might fire the top U.S. commander of the war and comparing the decision-making process on troop levels to the renovation of a high-end New York restaurant, according to participants in the meeting.

It is unclear whether Trump was told of Tillerson’s outburst after the Pentagon meeting or to what extent the president was briefed on Tillerson’s plan to resign earlier in the year.

Tillerson also has complained about being publicly undermined by the president on the administration’s foreign policy agenda, officials said.

Those strains were on display this past weekend when Tillerson said, to the White House’s surprise, that the U.S. is attempting diplomatic talks with North Korea.

Trump quickly took the opposite position, writing on Twitter “I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man...,” using his latest epithet for North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
“...Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!” Trump added in a second tweet.

etc etc ...you can read the rest here https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ury-trump-required-intervention-pence-n806451

 

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Come on you can't honestly believe that if there was reliable evidence that Secretary Tillerson had publicly called the President of the United States a moron, that Secretary Tillerson would presently be serving!

Ho boy! Things are going to get really interesting.... Seems like Trump only learned yesterday that Tillerson called him a moron back in July.. on the TV news. Is he really that out of touch in the White House that he keeps up to date by watching TV?


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ed-white-house-amid-presidential-fury-n808216



Tillerson Summoned to White House Amid Presidential Fury

OCT 5 2017, 7:10 PM ET

....NBC reported Wednesday that Tillerson had threatened to resign in July after a series of clashes with the president, at one point venting his frustrations among his colleagues by calling the president a "moron," according to multiple senior administration officials who were aware of the matter at the time.

Four senior administration officials said Trump first learned on Wednesday that Tillerson had disparaged him after a July 20 national security meeting at the Pentagon.

Trump vented to Kelly Wednesday morning, leading Kelly to scrap plans to travel with the president to Las Vegas to meet with victims and first responders in Sunday’s mass shooting.

Trump was furious when he saw the NBC News report, which was published shortly before 6 a.m. Wednesday.

For the next two hours the president fumed inside the White House, venting to Kelly, officials said.

He left for Las Vegas shortly after 8 a.m., 20 minutes behind schedule.

Tillerson scrambled to pull together a statement, while his spokesman publicly apologized for his comments about Pence and Haley, saying he “spoke out of line about conversations I wasn’t privy to.”

Tillerson delivered a statement praising Trump and insisting he never considered resigning, but it’s what he didn’t say that further enraged Trump, officials said.

The secretary’s refusal to deny that he had called the president a “moron” in his opening statement and in his responses to questions from reporters stoked Trump’s anger and widened the rift between the two men, officials said.

After watching the secretary’s response Wednesday, one White House official said, “When Tillerson didn’t deny it, I assumed it was true.”...



 

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I saw what you did there you crafty fellow you! :fencing:

You know that nobody said that he said it "publicly". Unless you think the meeting held in a secure room in the Pentagon known as "The Tank" with Cabinet members and National Security Team members is "in public"!


I would respectfully submit to you my friend, that the story is congruent with the facts we know and "on the balance of probabilities" the following account seems to have the "ring of truth to it" :

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ury-trump-required-intervention-pence-n806451


[FONT=&]WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was on the verge of resigning this past summer amid mounting policy disputes and clashes with the White House, according to senior administration officials who were aware of the situation at the time.

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[FONT=&]The tensions came to a head around the time President Donald Trump delivered a politicized speech in late July to the Boy Scouts of America, an organization Tillerson once led, the officials said.
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[FONT=&]Just days earlier, Tillerson had openly disparaged the president, referring to him as a “moron,” after a July 20 meeting at the Pentagon with members of Trump’s national security team and Cabinet officials, according to three officials familiar with the incident.
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[FONT=&]In an unscheduled statement to reporters Wednesday morning, Tillerson directly addressed that version of events, saying, "I have never considered leaving this post."

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[FONT=&]He praised Trump's foreign policy agenda, saying he was part of a team to "make America great again." But he did not deny calling the president a "moron," declining to address that remark directly and saying, "I'm not going to deal with petty stuff like that."
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[FONT=&]In a briefing Wednesday afternoon, State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert said Tillerson did not use the word "moron" to descibe the president. "The secretary did not use that type of language to speak about the president of the Unites States," Nauert said. "He did not say that."
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[FONT=&]The president was asked about Tillerson's remarks after touring the University Medical Center in Las Vegas Wednesday and said, "I am very honored by his comments, it was fake news, it was a totally phony story." Trump added that he has "total confidence in Rex."
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[FONT=&]While it's unclear if he was aware of the incident at the Pentagon, officials said Vice President Mike Pence counseled Tillerson, who is fourth in line to the presidency, on ways to ease tensions with Trump, and other top administration officials urged him to remain in the job at least until the end of the year.
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[FONT=&]Officials said that the administration, beset then by a series of high-level firings and resignations, would have struggled to manage the fallout from a Cabinet secretary of his stature departing within the first year of Trump’s presidency.

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[FONT=&]Pence has since spoken to Tillerson about being respectful of the president in meetings and in public, urging that any disagreements be sorted out privately, a White House official said. The official said progress has since been made.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Yet the disputes have not abated. This weekend, tensions spilled out into the open once again when the president seemed to publicly chide Tillerson on his handling of the crisis with North Korea.
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[FONT=&]NBC News spoke with a dozen current and former senior administration officials for this article, as well as others who are close to the president.
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[FONT=&]Tillerson, who was in Texas for his son’s wedding in late July when Trump addressed the Boy Scouts, had threatened not to return to Washington, according to three people with direct knowledge of the threats. His discussions with retired Gen. John Kelly, who would soon be named Trump’s second chief of staff, and Defense Secretary James Mattis, helped initially to reassure him, four people with direct knowledge of the exchanges said.
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[FONT=&]After Tillerson’s return to Washington, Pence arranged a meeting with him, according to three officials. During the meeting, Pence gave Tillerson a “pep talk,” one of these officials said, but also had a message: the secretary needed to figure out how to move forward within Trump’s policy framework.
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[FONT=&]Kelly and Mattis have been Tillerson’s strongest allies in the cabinet. In late July, “they did beg him to stay,” a senior administration official said. “They just wanted stability.”
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[FONT=&]Tillerson and Trump clashed over a series of key foreign policy issues over the summer, including Iran and Qatar.

Trump chafed at Tillerson’s attempts to push him – privately and publicly – toward decisions that were at odds with his policy positions, according to officials. Hammond said Tillerson has had no policy differences with Trump. “The president’s policy is his policy,” Hammond said.
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[FONT=&]In August, Trump was furious with Tillerson over his response to a question about the president’s handling of the racially charged and deadly violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, administration officials said. Trump had said publicly that white nationalists and neo-Nazi sympathizers shared blame for violence with those who came out to protest them.[/FONT]
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“The president speaks for himself,” Tillerson said at the time, when asked on “Fox News Sunday” about Trump’s comments.
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[FONT=&]Hammond said Trump addressed the issue with Tillerson in a meeting the next day. He said that during the meeting, Trump congratulated another White House official, Homeland Security Adviser Tom Bossert, for his performance on the Sunday news talk shows. Bossert had defended Trump’s controversial pardon of former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio.

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[FONT=&]The president, according to Hammond, told Tillerson he was upset with his comments when he saw them the first time.

But, Hammond said Trump told Tillerson, after watching the interview a second and third time, the president understood that Tillerson was trying to say Trump is the best person to convey what his values are.
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[FONT=&]Still, the message was clear that Trump wanted Tillerson to defend him more, Hammond said.
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[FONT=&]The frustrations run both ways. Tillerson stunned a handful of senior administration officials when he called the president a “moron” after a tense two-hour long meeting in a secure room at the Pentagon called "The Tank," according to three officials who were present or briefed on the incident.

The July 20 meeting came a day after a meeting in the White House Situation Room on Afghanistan policy where Trump rattled his national security advisers by suggesting he might fire the top U.S. commander of the war and comparing the decision-making process on troop levels to the renovation of a high-end New York restaurant, according to participants in the meeting.
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[FONT=&]It is unclear whether Trump was told of Tillerson’s outburst after the Pentagon meeting or to what extent the president was briefed on Tillerson’s plan to resign earlier in the year.
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[FONT=&]Tillerson also has complained about being publicly undermined by the president on the administration’s foreign policy agenda, officials said.
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[FONT=&]Those strains were on display this past weekend when Tillerson said, to the White House’s surprise, that the U.S. is attempting diplomatic talks with North Korea.
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[FONT=&]Trump quickly took the opposite position, writing on Twitter “I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man...,” using his latest epithet for North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]“...Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!” Trump added in a second tweet.

etc etc ...you can read the rest here https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ury-trump-required-intervention-pence-n806451

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All this content, and yet the press manages to fail to report that Tillerson answered these allegations by explicitly stating his opinion that Trump is smart. Shameless pretense of journalism. It's right there in the video of his press conference.
 

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Bud you should consider something less potent to smoke. Trump is not smart, he has creeping dementia. Just go back and look up how often Trump has undermined Tillerson's efforts to defuse the North Korea problem.
 

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Bud you should consider something less potent to smoke. Trump is not smart, he has creeping dementia. Just go back and look up how often Trump has undermined Tillerson's efforts to defuse the North Korea problem.
IV, you know that this thread is not about whether Trump is smart (or whether his specific views on North Korea are smart), it's about whether Tillerson thinks he's a moron and/or whether Tillerson has said so. What I know for sure is that when Tillerson was confronted with this allegation he publicly stated that Trump is smart - something the press, inexplicably, keep omitting from their reports.

Debating Trump's and/or Tillerson's NK policy would be a topic for another thread.
 

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...and he just scrapped President Obama's nuclear arms deal. Is that the decision of an intelligent and lucid man?

To be fair, Trump didn't create the NK stand off, Bush did with his Axis of Evil speech.
 

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Tillerson: Trump is smart and I'm happy to work for him

Media: Tillerson said Trump is a moron

Tillerson: Petty journalists. Trump is smart and I'm happy to work for him

Leftists: Tillerson says Trump is a moron! haha! He said he's a moron! He actually didn't say it but you know he believes it! haha!

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Some of you need to take a deep breathe and try your hand at objectivity. You've become the parody that you accuse Trump of being.

This is what happens when you're so invested in and so committed to oppose Trump that you'll believe ANYTHING negative said about him by mainstream media (often anonymous/unnamed) hacks.
 
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