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"Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mothers" is a book written by Amy Chua on how Chinese mothers are raising children who excel in music, math and all academia. White mothers condemn this practice as child abuse. Ever seen White mothers at hockey games pushing their young ones to play harder so they can bask in the glory of their child's athletic achievements?
 

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"Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mothers" is a book written by Amy Chua on how Chinese mothers are raising children who excel in music, math and all academia. White mothers condemn this practice as child abuse. Ever seen White mothers at hockey games pushing their young ones to play harder so they can bask in the glory of their child's athletic achievements?
Funny the last time I heard somebody promoting the superiority of so-called "Asian value" over the "inferior" American value without a shadow of doubt was in 1998, just in time when the bubble burst and the Asian financial economic crisis erupted.

Sounds like a good time to start selling short on emerging market indexes, particularly the BIC of the BRIC countries, while buying long on American blue chips. :cool:
 

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Sounds like a good time to start selling short on emerging market indexes, particularly the BIC of the BRIC countries, while buying long on American blue chips.
Amy Chua is an American (Chinese background) and her two daughters are also Americans. Maybe old fashion Chinese values will save the U.S. of A. after all. BTW: Is MIT too Asian?
 

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Amy Chua is an American (Chinese background) and her two daughters are also Americans.
LOL, simple as ABC.

Maybe old fashion Chinese values will save the U.S. of A. after all.
Nope, it would be the other way around. Those old fashion Chinese values were systematically dismantled during 1966-1976 in mainland China. The mainland Chinese over there are evolving into another big, fat, ugly Americans we love to bash on, albeit 3-4x the size of the US population.

BTW: Is MIT too Asian?
First, are we allowed to ask this question here? Second, who would want to know? Blacks? Latinos? Whites? Affirmative actions for these 3 groups?? :rolleyes:
 

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There was some controversy in California a few years back about "reverse quotas" at some of the state run universities there. Apparently they were limiting the number of asian students because if accepted on the basis of grades and extra-curricular activities they would have dominated the schools. So they started using other criteria..
 

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"Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mothers" is a book written by Amy Chua on how Chinese mothers are raising children who excel in music, math and all academia. White mothers condemn this practice as child abuse. Ever seen White mothers at hockey games pushing their young ones to play harder so they can bask in the glory of their child's athletic achievements?
at least you don't generalize on the basis of race
 

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This Amy Chua chick is over compensating for the fact that her kids will never be Chinese. Presumably they don't speak Chinese so they'll never understand the million little nuances about respect, family etc that come with knowing the language. Their father sure as hell doesn't.

Take her pseudo cultural bullshit out of the equation and you're left with strict micro management parenting. Nothing new there.

Way to go for publicizing your book though! This 'story' was on the frigging front page of the National Post.
 

hinz

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This Amy Chua chick is over compensating for the fact that her kids will never be Chinese.
Hmm..would that be 50%

Presumably they don't speak Chinese so they'll never understand the million little nuances about respect, family etc that come with knowing the language.
Dunno about that. They could speak perfect Mandarin with correct tones and pronunciation, better than other Han Chinese dialect speakers but don't be surprised they have no clue what they say.

Their father sure as hell doesn't.
Are you sure? Maybe not for the Chinese foul language.

Take her pseudo cultural bullshit out of the equation and you're left with strict micro management parenting. Nothing new there.
LOL

Way to go for publicizing your book though! This 'story' was on the frigging front page of the National Post.
National Post? Who would read that also-ran right wing daily? :rolleyes:
 

friendz4evr

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This is excerpted from the January 8th issue of the Wall Street Journal:

Why Chinese Mothers Are Superior
Can a regimen of no playdates, no TV, no computer games and hours of music practice create happy kids? And what happens when they fight back?.

By AMY CHUA
A lot of people wonder how Chinese parents raise such stereotypically successful kids. They wonder what these parents do to produce so many math whizzes and music prodigies, what it's like inside the family, and whether they could do it too. Well, I can tell them, because I've done it. Here are some things my daughters, Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to do:

• attend a sleepover

• have a playdate

• be in a school play

• complain about not being in a school play

• watch TV or play computer games

• choose their own extracurricular activities

• get any grade less than an A

• not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama

• play any instrument other than the piano or violin

• not play the piano or violin.

I'm using the term "Chinese mother" loosely. I know some Korean, Indian, Jamaican, Irish and Ghanaian parents who qualify too. Conversely, I know some mothers of Chinese heritage, almost always born in the West, who are not Chinese mothers, by choice or otherwise. I'm also using the term "Western parents" loosely. Western parents come in all varieties.

All the same, even when Western parents think they're being strict, they usually don't come close to being Chinese mothers. For example, my Western friends who consider themselves strict make their children practice their instruments 30 minutes every day. An hour at most. For a Chinese mother, the first hour is the easy part. It's hours two and three that get tough.

When it comes to parenting, the Chinese seem to produce children who display academic excellence, musical mastery and professional success - or so the stereotype goes. WSJ's Christina Tsuei speaks to two moms raised by Chinese immigrants who share what it was like growing up and how they hope to raise their children.
Despite our squeamishness about cultural stereotypes, there are tons of studies out there showing marked and quantifiable differences between Chinese and Westerners when it comes to parenting. In one study of 50 Western American mothers and 48 Chinese immigrant mothers, almost 70% of the Western mothers said either that "stressing academic success is not good for children" or that "parents need to foster the idea that learning is fun." By contrast, roughly 0% of the Chinese mothers felt the same way. Instead, the vast majority of the Chinese mothers said that they believe their children can be "the best" students, that "academic achievement reflects successful parenting," and that if children did not excel at school then there was "a problem" and parents "were not doing their job." Other studies indicate that compared to Western parents, Chinese parents spend approximately 10 times as long every day drilling academic activities with their children. By contrast, Western kids are more likely to participate in sports teams.
 

hinz

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Her kids are half white. She may champion traditional Chinese values but she only has sex with white men.
Amy Chua is an ABC and technically she is not "Chinese" enough. Not even her parents since they are Chinese Filipinos.

Her last name Chua is Fukienese (Minnan perhaps?) and to be sounded like proper "Chinese", she should use cai.

BTW, her hubby is Jewish, not white man. Dunno their two interracial daughters "heritage". Jewish? Chinese? Chinese Jews? American of Chinese and Jewish heritage? :rolleyes:
 

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Sounds like a good time to start selling short on emerging market indexes, particularly the BIC of the BRIC countries, while buying long on American blue chips.
Good luck. Myself, I would not discount Brazil, India and China, in particular their appetite for commodities.
 

hinz

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Good luck. Myself, I would not discount Brazil, India and China, in particular their appetite for commodities.
Looks like I am not the only "odd ball", albeit for China only. ;)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...aos-profit-into-bet-that-china-will-fail.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...-unabated-as-market-defies-cooling-steps.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...s-legs-to-china-crash-talk-william-pesek.html

[video]http://www.bloomberg.com/video/65822094/[/video]
 

james t kirk

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I've worked with lots of Chinese professionals (and lots of Koreans as well). Some off the boat, others CBC.

I wouldn't say any of them are any better than the rest of us to tell you the truth.
 
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