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People are kidding themselves if they think they can block access with normal home routers. That arms race will easily be won by a 10 year old.

There is also the problem of neighbor wifi access points. Many of those are easy to get on to for little Timmy.
 

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Its surprising that this topic came up so late here.

1. Not that it bothers me, but how does anyone save a 6 yr old from a pedophile by telling him the correct names of his body parts? I don't even consider calling the penis a penis to be shameful or vulgar, but don't know what advantage it provides to a 6 year old? 1/20 kid might be curious about his/her pee and others parts, but does that warrant the teacher to make everyone else curious and conscious of their privates? A boy and a girl, innocently playing with each other one day suddenly look at/ treat each other in a different way because they have become aware of the differences. How cool. That's how mature and grown up experts kill the kids childhood innocence and then complain that kids are maturing at an early age.

2. What is the benefits of creating doubt's in an 8 year olds mind about his/her birth gender except to bring out or check the transgender quotient? Wouldn't it be better to just teach them to treat everyone with equality and respect while having individual counseling for those who actually demonstrate confusion? Are the teachers so incompetent with the kids who spend 6 hours per day in their class to not be able to detect? It's teachers that need education there.

3. The new syllabus emphasizes the need for sex as a means for pleasure. I never knew that the province has been mandated to teach sexual pleasure and masturbation techniques in school. All kids will indulge in these, but why is it the teacher's responsibility to teach them techniques? The school should be limited to teaching them safety, responsibility and respect for everyone's privacy with regards to individual sexual preferences. They don't teach any kid how to derive pleasure out of drugs, guns, alcohol or video games - how is sexual pleasure different? Are the experts so low on confidence in the kids who will discover their own pleasurable avenues? We all did in the absence of all this graphic education and without internet. The kids of this age are much smarter and resourceful. Once we teach them safety, they can pretty much take care of everything else themselves. At most school should provide counseling for those that seek help and such counseling should be with the knowledge of the parents/caregivers.

4. Has anyone considered the pitfalls of recommending anal sex as safe sexual practice? Once taught in class, it achieves a stamp of approval and encourages kids to go for it even if their bodies are not biologically ready for it. Every boy will expect that from his girlfriend/boyfriend and those who resist face the possibility of being stigmatized/bullied. Even if oral sex is safe, encouraging it in class sessions lends a totally different kind of acceptance- similar to an normal expectation of every date. Is that sex-ed or porn-ed?

5. The very reluctance of auntie Wynne to share the syllabus details with parents raises suspicions of any stellar image of the liberals not withstanding their gifts of e-health and gas plant scandals. By branding all opponents to the new syllabus as homophobic, the premier is a prime example of acceptance behavior. On top of blatantly lie that the pedophile minister had no involvement in the syllabus in the backdrop of leaked internal memos surely gives everyone so much confidence in her words. Let's not discuss about her claims of consulting experts, parents and educators..

6. Not promoting sex does not equal teaching abstinence or no education. It just keeps sex where it should be in a kids life - non distracting. Education should be education of facts and safety, not the encouragement of over indulgence.

7. Irrespective of which platform raises the issue - be it the church, Muslims, right wing, left wing.. Treat it with the merits of the issue and not the platform.

8. Have you noticed the organizations that are supporting this curriculum? Smell any self interest promotion at the expense of kids future?

There is no harm in having a well debated conversation as opposed to dictorial way of ramming through a small groups ideology on to the entire province.

Have a safe day guys.

CS.
 

AdamH

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Again I do not know how detached you all seem to be but I know my kids friends names and certainly would not let him run streets wild
I guess you're with them 24/7 to make sure your kid's friends don't talk about sex.. What the fuck is this "run streets wild" nonsense?? You do understand that there's a difference between little jimmy showing up at school and hearing about a porno his friend saw, and "running streets wild"..
 

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Not that it bothers me, but how does anyone save a 6 yr old from a pedophile by telling him the correct names of his body parts?
Firstly, if you use weird made up names for the penis and vagina, makes the penis and vagina seem weird to kids.. This makes them less likely to tell a parent if they're touched.. Secondly, most pedophiles have said that if a child seems LESS childlike, then they're less attracted to them.. Using the correct body part names helps a child seem less innocent (less "childlike").

What is the benefits of creating doubt's in an 8 year olds mind about his/her birth gender
Nobody's "creating" doubt.. Talking about the fact that your friend might have two Moms or two Dads doesn't "create" doubt about your own gender identity..

The new syllabus emphasizes the need for sex as a means for pleasure
False, the syllabus emphasizes that sex IS used for pleasure by SOME (many?).. Did you really think this was a secret??? What are you even fucking doing on this board?

Has anyone considered the pitfalls of recommending anal sex as safe sexual practice?
The curriculum explains that anal sex is NOT a safe sexual practice. That anal sex isn't a "safe" alternative.. That if practiced at all, it should be practiced safely..

Once taught in class, it achieves a stamp of approval and encourages kids to go for it
... Really? REALLY?!?!?! They better not talk about teach the holocaust in history class then...
Opponents of Sex Ed been making this argument since the 60s about ANY level of sex ed (that teaching kids about sex makes them want to do it) and the ONLY thing that's been proven is that Sex Ed LOWERS teen birth rates and LOWERS STI rates in jurisdictions where it's taught.. (effectively meaning that kids either aren't having as much sex, or they're having safer sex)..
 

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Carol Off on As it Happens killed it the other night.
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...ts-pull-kids-from-class-over-sex-ed-1.3060854

Some anti-sex ed mom called in and amongst the many hilarious things suggested that kids shouldn't be told about anal sex. Asked why, she responded, 'cuz they wouldn't be able to hold it anymore', Off kept asking, 'what do you mean' until the lady gave in and said 'if you have anal sex you won't be able to hold in your fecal matter any more'.

Sounds like she just sold Canada on why we need way more sex education.
 

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Toronto Star columnist and feminist Heather Mallick wrote a piece in which she called all the parents protesting Ontario's new sex-ed curriculum “bad parents.”


But think about this:

For Mallick, her worlds are colliding.

Who are the bad parents she speaks of?

Not the white Christian Conservative right.

No, these protesters come from traditional immigrant minority groups.

And the most stunning absenteeism, according to Chris Selley of the National Post, is from the Muslim community.

There has always been this uneasy alliance between progressive leftists and Islam but now they’re clashing.

Earlier this year, Mallick fiercely defended the right of a Muslim woman to wear a mask while swearing the oath of citizenship. But if a girl is raised in an environment where she needs to cover her face, I’m pretty sure that family also isn’t comfortable with her leaning about sex is a co-ed classroom.

Cultural relativists like Mallick unreservedly harp on about the importance and beauty of multiculturalism and equal recognition of all religions, until their traditional values collide with a progressive leftist cause, then they bail.

This is the practical intolerance of the so-called “tolerant."
 

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This is the practical intolerance of the so-called “tolerant."
The same "crack" appears on the right.. When a Islamic child wants a quiet room to pray in, we're told by the right that "religion has no place in school".. However, when the powers want to start teaching kids about same-sex marriage we're told "It's against MY RELIGION" by the same dumb fucks on the right.. Apparently the right think there's plenty of room for religion at school... So long as it's THEIR religion..

Additionally there's no alliance between those on the left and Islam.. There's no specific support for Islam.. There IS support for tolerance and acceptance.. They can practice THEIR religion at school, and they can pull their kids out of sex-ed classes, but they can't tell us that THEIR religion prohibits US from having OUR kids taught about sex..

They also aren't allowed to pull their kids out of classes that same sex marriages exist and are normal.. That's the LAW in Canada. Same sex couples have ALL the same rights as opposite sex couples.. Just like they can't pull their kids out of classes that say that women have equal rights (even though some fucked up sect of their religion might disagree).. I hate to sound like the knuckle draggers on the right, but if they don't like it "they can go back to wherever they came from"..
 

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@Canada-Man Tolerance and multi-culturalism is not a zero sum game. It is a badly constructed straw-man that argues it is.
 

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Fuck 'em. Keep your kids at home as long as you want. All you're doing is hurting their education.
 

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The places that I go to have restricted wi-fi. I can't even get TERB.
Again, my point is that not every place has restricted wi-fi. That would include a kid tethering the laptop, smartphone or tablet to another friend's smartphone with a data plan. Very easy for them to do. Just as a test, I went to a restaurant nearby and they did not filter anything. No problems accessing Terb or even porn sites. Truth is, it's tedious to configure wifi to block out questionable sites.
 

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Cultural relativists like Mallick unreservedly harp on about the importance and beauty of multiculturalism and equal recognition of all religions, until their traditional values collide with a progressive leftist cause, then they bail.
Actually, there are many instances where Islamic culture and religious values collide with not only Christian but also other cultures and religions.
 

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Hey, this is Canada where we are tolerant and accommodating. Their culture is our culture. Their religion is our religion. Their values are our values.
But we are not entitled to adopt every cultures and religion from every countries. :( This particular issue is making some cultural and religious people trying to block kids from education and it's completely wrong.
 

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True but again going back to first point we are discussing kids not teens here
How many parents let their 11 year old (or less) sit in a coffee shop all day?

Pretty incompetent parenting if so...
If you aren't up on technology, all it takes is one kid to use their data to set up a hot spot and game's on.

And as I said in a previous post, society should be keeping kids safe from incompetent parenting.
 

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Its surprising that this topic came up so late here.

1. Not that it bothers me, but how does anyone save a 6 yr old from a pedophile by telling him the correct names of his body parts?
Good point. Maybe if they had part of the curriculum discussing concepts such as consent and bad touching... Oh wait, they do.
 

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I guess you're with them 24/7 to make sure your kid's friends don't talk about sex.. What the fuck is this "run streets wild" nonsense?? You do understand that there's a difference between little jimmy showing up at school and hearing about a porno his friend saw, and "running streets wild"..
Ah again back to the ignorance excuse
No see the fact is the kids do not need 24/7 monitoring lol

8 hours of sleep, 8+ hours of school (factoring things like bus & sports) leaves not that much time really to enjoy life
Weekends kids are more than happy to go out and do something with the family or neighbours family etc

My point I keep hammering home to you is exactly when do you think these pre puberty kids are engaging in sexual activities?
Quite frankly most of the replies sound like shit parents trying to make excuses



I am a Terb member and fuck it if I have a tough time arranging locations & time to meet pro
I am sure there are some inner city kids left to hang out at a local Tim Hortons but I still question where exactly you think they are headed to have sex
 

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Firstly, if you use weird made up names for the penis and vagina, makes the penis and vagina seem weird to kids.. This makes them less likely to tell a parent if they're touched.. Secondly, most pedophiles have said that if a child seems LESS childlike, then they're less attracted to them.. Using the correct body part names helps a child seem less innocent (less "childlike").
Ignorance is bliss eh
Kids have no clue what the "correct" name is so a peepee is just as funny as a penis to them
You have never seen a child much less raised one have you?

Nobody's "creating" doubt.. Talking about the fact that your friend might have two Moms or two Dads doesn't "create" doubt about your own gender identity..
Or teach them what is normal and cross that bridge when they reach it later in life
Again because a child has no concept of what sex is they do not give funny looks to gays/lesbians
Although even at the preschool level kids get confused and ask about someone with more dads since they lack the comprehension (actually to the contrary, if you say 2 dads they assume 2 dads + 1 mom which was very funny imo)
 

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8 hours of sleep, 8+ hours of school (factoring things like bus & sports) leaves not that much time really to enjoy life
Weekends kids are more than happy to go out and do something with the family or neighbours family etc
Why do you keep ignoring the school yard example where your precious little Jimmy watches Remy LaCroix have her ass eaten out on his friend's new Iphone (bought by parents who could care less about what their kid looks at online)??? Give it up... You CANNOT CONTROL EVERYTHING YOUR KID WATCHES.
 

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Kids have no clue what the "correct" name is so a peepee is just as funny as a penis to them
I get how you might be used to the idea that it's normal for people to make a joke out of a penis.. Fortunately that's not the case for everybody. The idea that penises can be funny also isn't something that we're born with.. It's something YOU learned.. There's nothing inherently funny about a penis, so no, the WORD "penis" isn't inherently funny.. It's only funny when lily type adults cringe when it's said.. Or when other immature morons snicker when somebody mentions it.. Let me guess, you still have trouble hearing the word "Regina" without bursting into cackles..

Or teach them what is normal and cross that bridge when they reach it later in life
??? They're not teaching kids that young that THEM being HOMOSEXUAL is okay or normal (although that lesson will come sooner than later).. They're teaching kids that their friends who come from same sex marriage families are from NORMAL families too.. The same bit of curriculum that talks about same sex marriage families also talks about families from other religions, or single parent families etc.,. Apparently the mindless fucks on the right are fine with us acknowledging all the different kinds of families EXCEPT ones that include same sex parents..
 
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