Thorncliffe Park school hardest hit with Sex Ed. Boycott.

[chrlsdickens]

Lots of varying views in this thread ...
But now lets see the actual material that will be taught ....

Here is the excerpt from the actual revised ciriculum from Ontario Board of Schools for Grade 7

Teacher prompt: “Engaging in sexual activities like oral sex, vaginal intercourse, and anal
intercourse means that you can be infected with an STI. If you do not have sex, you do
not need to worry about getting an STI. (By the way, statistics show that young people
who delay first intercourse are more likely to use protection when they choose to be
sexually active.) If a person is thinking of having sex, what can they do to protect
themselves?”

Student: “They should go to a health clinic or see a nurse or doctor who can provide
important information about protection. People who think they will be having sex sometime
soon should keep a condom with them so they will have it when they need it. They
should also talk with their partner about using a condom before they have sex, so both
partners will know a condom will be used. If a partner says they do not want to use a
condom, a person should say, ‘I will not have sex without a condom.’ If you do have sex,
it is important that you use a condom every time, because condoms help to protect you
against STIs, including HIV, and pregnancy.”

 

[chrlsdickens]

From revised curriculum for Grade 7

Teacher prompt: “Common sexually transmitted infections include human papillomavirus
(HPV), herpes, chlamydia, gonorrhea, and hepatitis B. Some have visible symptoms
but most do not, so it’s hard to tell if you or someone else has an STI. All STIs can have a
significant impact on your health. What are some symptoms of an STI? If an STI has no
symptoms, how can you find out if you have it?”


Student: “You can see some STIs, such as pubic lice or genital warts, and other STIs have
symptoms such as redness or pain while urinating. Even if you don’t see or experience
any symptoms, you should be tested by a doctor if you are sexually active. Depending on
the STI, tests can be done by taking swabs from the cervix, vagina, or urethra or by taking
urine or blood samples

 

[chrlsdickens]

From official revised curriculum for Grade 7

Teacher prompt: “The term abstinence can mean different things to different people.
People can also have different understandings of what is meant by having or not having
sex. Be clear in your own mind about what you are comfortable or uncomfortable with.
Being able to talk about this with a partner is an important part of sexual health. Having
sex can be an enjoyable experience and can be an important part of a close relationship
when you are older. But having sex has risks too, including physical risks like sexually
transmitted infections – which are common and which can hurt you – and getting
pregnant when you don’t want to. What are some of the emotional considerations
to think about?”

Student: “It’s best to wait until you are older to have sex because you need to be emotionally
ready, which includes being able to talk with your partner about how you feel, being
prepared to talk about and use protection against STIs or pregnancy, and being prepared
to handle the emotional ups and downs of a relationship, including the ending of a relationship,
which can hurt a lot. Personal values, family values, and religious beliefs can
influence how you think about sexuality and sexual activity. A person should not have
sex if their partner is not ready or has not given consent, if they are feeling pressured, if
they are unsure, or if they are under the influence of drugs or alcohol.”

 

[chrlsdickens]

From official revised curriculum for Grade 6

Student: “Is how I am feeling normal? Why is my body different from everybody else’s?
How do you tell someone you like them? Who can answer my questions about…?”
•
• • • •
Teacher prompt: “Things like wet dreams or vaginal lubrication are normal and happen
as a result of physical changes with puberty. Exploring one’s body by touching or masturbating
is something that many people do and find pleasurable. It is common and is not
harmful and is one way of learning about your body.

 

[nobody123]

Here is the excerpt from the actual revised ciriculum from Ontario Board of Schools for Grade 7

Teacher prompt: “Engaging in sexual activities like oral sex, vaginal intercourse, and anal
intercourse means that you can be infected with an STI. If you do not have sex, you do
not need to worry about getting an STI. (By the way, statistics show that young people
who delay first intercourse are more likely to use protection when they choose to be
sexually active.) If a person is thinking of having sex, what can they do to protect
themselves?”

Student: “They should go to a health clinic or see a nurse or doctor who can provide
important information about protection. People who think they will be having sex sometime
soon should keep a condom with them so they will have it when they need it. They
should also talk with their partner about using a condom before they have sex, so both
partners will know a condom will be used. If a partner says they do not want to use a
condom, a person should say, ‘I will not have sex without a condom.’ If you do have sex,
it is important that you use a condom every time, because condoms help to protect you
against STIs, including HIV, and pregnancy.”

From revised curriculum for Grade 7

Teacher prompt: “Common sexually transmitted infections include human papillomavirus
(HPV), herpes, chlamydia, gonorrhea, and hepatitis B. Some have visible symptoms
but most do not, so it’s hard to tell if you or someone else has an STI. All STIs can have a
significant impact on your health. What are some symptoms of an STI? If an STI has no
symptoms, how can you find out if you have it?”


Student: “You can see some STIs, such as pubic lice or genital warts, and other STIs have
symptoms such as redness or pain while urinating. Even if you don’t see or experience
any symptoms, you should be tested by a doctor if you are sexually active. Depending on
the STI, tests can be done by taking swabs from the cervix, vagina, or urethra or by taking
urine or blood samples

From official revised curriculum for Grade 7

Teacher prompt: “The term abstinence can mean different things to different people.
People can also have different understandings of what is meant by having or not having
sex. Be clear in your own mind about what you are comfortable or uncomfortable with.
Being able to talk about this with a partner is an important part of sexual health. Having
sex can be an enjoyable experience and can be an important part of a close relationship
when you are older. But having sex has risks too, including physical risks like sexually
transmitted infections – which are common and which can hurt you – and getting
pregnant when you don’t want to. What are some of the emotional considerations
to think about?”

Student: “It’s best to wait until you are older to have sex because you need to be emotionally
ready, which includes being able to talk with your partner about how you feel, being
prepared to talk about and use protection against STIs or pregnancy, and being prepared
to handle the emotional ups and downs of a relationship, including the ending of a relationship,
which can hurt a lot. Personal values, family values, and religious beliefs can
influence how you think about sexuality and sexual activity. A person should not have
sex if their partner is not ready or has not given consent, if they are feeling pressured, if
they are unsure, or if they are under the influence of drugs or alcohol.”

From official revised curriculum for Grade 6

Student: “Is how I am feeling normal? Why is my body different from everybody else’s?
How do you tell someone you like them? Who can answer my questions about…?”
•
• • • •
Teacher prompt: “Things like wet dreams or vaginal lubrication are normal and happen
as a result of physical changes with puberty. Exploring one’s body by touching or masturbating
is something that many people do and find pleasurable. It is common and is not
harmful and is one way of learning about your body.

It's no Great Expectations. I must say that your output has suffered in the 150-odd years since your death.

 

[basketcase]

...
Most sane parents certainly would not let their under 16 year olds run wild
...

And how many parents is that. For that matter, how many parents even know what their 16 year old is doing on line (or 14 or 12...)?

 

[icespot]

Porn has always been easy access (although I do agree the internet has made it seem alot more boring now)

Again though unless the parents are idiots why would a child have unfettered access to internet? At that age kids play outside, go to sports or clubs, or are doing supervised homework

Do you know how many kids have ther own phone with internet access? Do you really think you can keep an eye on your kids 24/7?

The reality is that it is going to happen. So the better they are prepare the better.

I monitor my kids internet access, but the curiosity still there. I remember one time looking at their sear history I found "Pretty Canadian Girls Naked". I thought it was funny as hell because they wanted to make sure they were pretty girls.



They didnt see anything because of the filter, but they till tried. Also lets face it prohibited activites only increase the curiosity.

 

[SkyRider]

looking at their sear history I found "Pretty Canadian Girls Naked".

For a moment there I thought you were referring to the underwear ads in the old Sears catalogue .

 

[TeeJay]

It takes teams of IT people in a corporate setting to block access to questionable Internet material and they don't even do that great of a job. So a lot of parents would be totally outgunned by their kids on the technology front.

Ah the old technology is confusing so we should just let it be argument

Really even the stupidest parents can easily block net access

Your router has a log for websites visited (or attempt visited if you need whitelist)
Parents can easily review and block specific sites (eg Terb)

 

[TeeJay]

And how many parents is that. For that matter, how many parents even know what their 16 year old is doing on line (or 14 or 12...)?

Any parent who can't be bothered to review web access at least once a week should not be allowed to reproduce
But yes there are always some idiots
Unfortunately we cater to lowest common denominator

 

[TeeJay]

Do you know how many kids have ther own phone with internet access? Do you really think you can keep an eye on your kids 24/7?.

Most kids do not have data actually
And again only a complete moron would hand over an unrestricted phone to a minor
(heck if kid dials international or accesses something illegal who's name do you think is on that phone line?)

 

[AdamH]

TeeJay,

Let's suspend reality and pretend that parents have the time to do what you claim they do (blocking and regularly monitoring internet behaviour of their children). What about when your kids go over to another kids house (whose parent just doesn't care)? What about when the other kids at school simply DESCRIBE what they're seeing on their own computers? What about magazines (any kid can buy a Cosmo which regularly feature articles on how to give a good blow job or how to better tighten one's vagina muscles while engaging in intercourse)? Fuck, what about the news (Daddy what's a pedophile?? What's a prostitutes?)

You are right, parent's SHOULD do what they can to limit the amount of graphic imagery (or false information) that their kids have access to.. Having said that, it would be naive to think that parents can control everything. As a result, it is the job of parents to make certain their kids are armed with as much GOOD information as possible to help them make the tough choices they might (rather likely will) have to make.. One of the easiest (and BEST) ways to do this is through our public education system..

 

[SkyRider]

parent's SHOULD do what they can to limit the amount of graphic imagery (or false information) that their kids have access to..

The kids will argue that this is a gross violation of their privacy and that you don't trust them (because you don't because kids are stupid). Also, telling a kid not to do or see something is exactly why they will do it. Also, kids have Charter rights as the courts have ruled in the alcohol testing prom case.

 

[AdamH]

The kids will argue that this is a gross violation of their privacy and that you don't trust them (because you don't because kids are stupid). Also, telling a kid not to do or see something is exactly why they will do it. Also, kids have Charter rights as the courts have ruled in the alcohol testing prom case.

If you have a kid who's willing to take you to court over their charter rights, then they're probably more than mature enough to view whatever it is you don't think they should be viewing..

 

[explorerzip]

I actually never made the "technology is confusing so we should just let it be argument." My point (as well as many others) again is that even if "most" parents can do all the things that you said it is not 100% of them. Not all parents are tech savvy or know how or care to setup their technology.

Even if you could totally block internet from your home network and all devices, you cannot block it everywhere your kids will be with internet access. Ask yourself if 100% of the parents around your neighborhood block or monitor their kids internet or even know how or care to do it. Ask yourself if 100% of the places out there with free wifi block access to internet to protect your kids. The answer always will be that not all places will secure Internet to the same degree as you might.

Sure it is fairly easy to block net access or check logs, but those features are not in the same place or labeled the same on every router. You don't always have a flashing "parental controls" button on every router. In my router, the settings to block sites and logging is buried several menus deep and it's a relatively new router!

Your comment about not allowing parents to reproduce if they can't be bothered to review makes no sense at all. The point of this discussion is what to do with your kids today. Does it make sense that we forbid parents to reproduce if they can't review web access? How would you enforce such a policy?

Even if "most" kids don't have data, there will always be some that do. Getting access to data is quite easy too since you have companies like Wind Mobile that have unlimited data for $35 a month. So it is not hard for a kid with unlimited data to make his smartphone into a wifi hot spot for his friends to share.

 

[basketcase]

Any parent who can't be bothered to review web access at least once a week should not be allowed to reproduce
But yes there are always some idiots
Unfortunately we cater to lowest common denominator

Fortunately we try and protect children from the lowest denominators.

Telling children to be careful when their parents have already taught them is not needed but carries no harm. Telling it to children with incompetent parents is essential.

 

[basketcase]

Most kids do not have data actually...

Yet essentially all of them know how to access wifi.

 

[TeeJay]

What about when your kids go over to another kids house (whose parent just doesn't care)?

Again I do not know how detached you all seem to be but I know my kids friends names and certainly would not let him run streets wild
The sex ed we are talking about is pre teens... just to be clear we are not talking about an 18 year old in your basement

My kid would not be hanging around a parent like that (and I suppose luckily for me the cost to live in my area tends to weed people like that out as well)

What about when the other kids at school simply DESCRIBE what they're seeing on their own computers? What about magazines (any kid can buy a Cosmo which regularly feature articles on how to give a good blow job or how to better tighten one's vagina muscles while engaging in intercourse)? Fuck, what about the news (Daddy what's a pedophile?? What's a prostitutes?)

Many kids do ask questions and what the anti-sex ed crowd has repeated many times is the parents decide what is appropriate to explain versus what is morally wrong (although again I have yet to see any kid ask about pedo, pro, or hear other parents tell that horror story because, wait for it, parents who actually are engaged in their kids lives know other parents who kids play with and actually talk to each other)

I know there are some hell holes in the GTA but I still roll my eyes at the horror stories most non parents seem to think are happening
Has my kid seen a nude girl? Probably
Would he even know to search for Japanese tentacle sex? Of course not

One of the easiest (and BEST) ways to do this is through our public education system..

I was treating you as serious but here you just lost me
The public education system is a JOKE (exhibit a: new sex ed curriculum and controversy)

 

[TeeJay]

Yet essentially all of them know how to access wifi.

True but again going back to first point we are discussing kids not teens here
How many parents let their 11 year old (or less) sit in a coffee shop all day?

Pretty incompetent parenting if so...

 

[explorerzip]

True but again going back to first point we are discussing kids not teens here
How many parents let their 11 year old (or less) sit in a coffee shop all day?

Pretty incompetent parenting if so...

There's no way to tell how many parents let their kids sit by themselves in a coffee shop or a place that has Internet access. There could be loads of reasons why a parent would be absent and that does not necessarily mean they are incompetent. Not everyone lives in a rich neighborhood like you or have the time or energy to monitor their kids, their friends, their friends parents and block access to the Internet at all the places their kids roam.

I'm not suggesting that parents should just throw their hands up in the air and not monitor at all, but I think the school system has a significant role to play so that kids understand what is out there for their own safety.