This is tough to watch..
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yeah, it's very tough to watch ...
I wish they would spare us the dramatic narration and music. We ain't that daft - the facts would suffice.
I generally try not to judge other cultures that put less value on certain animals due to conditioning/experience, but how can I argue with Ghandi.
When you have the awareness and/or the capability to acquire it and choose to disregard it, that's my view of what constitutes ignorance.
I just wonder if these astute folk could find another way to make a living.
What I don't quite get is that when PETA make a big stink about animal cruelty people are so quick to pass them off as bleeding heart reactionary wackos. It's my opinion that we need such extremist activists to keep things in balance and hopefully raise or sustain our awareness.
Ultimately one should kill animals intended to aid in our "survival", with respect for that life, and do it as humanely as possible. Unfortunately, in our "advanced" urban structure we have to rely on others to raise and slaughter our livestock. Sadly, hunting in general doesn't warrant the respect it could due to the machismo, insensitive and "sporty" mentality.
Something that's always bemused me is how most people think it's OK to boil lobsters alive. This thread prompted me to find out if I was alone ...
www.lobsterlib.com
it's tough to watch ...
yeah, it's very tough to watch ...
I wish they would spare us the dramatic narration and music. We ain't that daft - the facts would suffice.
I generally try not to judge other cultures that put less value on certain animals due to conditioning/experience, but how can I argue with Ghandi.
When you have the awareness and/or the capability to acquire it and choose to disregard it, that's my view of what constitutes ignorance.
I just wonder if these astute folk could find another way to make a living.
What I don't quite get is that when PETA make a big stink about animal cruelty people are so quick to pass them off as bleeding heart reactionary wackos. It's my opinion that we need such extremist activists to keep things in balance and hopefully raise or sustain our awareness.
Ultimately one should kill animals intended to aid in our "survival", with respect for that life, and do it as humanely as possible. Unfortunately, in our "advanced" urban structure we have to rely on others to raise and slaughter our livestock. Sadly, hunting in general doesn't warrant the respect it could due to the machismo, insensitive and "sporty" mentality.
Something that's always bemused me is how most people think it's OK to boil lobsters alive. This thread prompted me to find out if I was alone ...
www.lobsterlib.com
it's tough to watch ...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02/12/japan.whaling/index.html
A Japanese whaling ship was rammed by actvists.
A Japanese whaling ship was rammed by actvists.
Unfortunately, plants are a living organism as well. I have been able to communicate with them for years, and they hate it when they are ripped out of the ground and eaten alive (raw vegetables).
They also hate being boiled alive, or left to die a slow death in a sack on some truck/wagon.
The plants have told me that they would much rather live thier life, seed, and then sink into a natural hibernation.
The food chain is naturally vicious, only humans have the ability to determine the difference between instinct and pleasure.
It's too bad that pleasure is accepted by so many different cultures.
They also hate being boiled alive, or left to die a slow death in a sack on some truck/wagon.
The plants have told me that they would much rather live thier life, seed, and then sink into a natural hibernation.
The food chain is naturally vicious, only humans have the ability to determine the difference between instinct and pleasure.
It's too bad that pleasure is accepted by so many different cultures.
it's obvious you don't know what obtuse means...elmer3290 said:
I'm not calling you a name.
How did you get "demonize them"? Pretty long leap.
I don't like what the Japanese goverment is allowing those fisherman to do.
I express my oposition to this practice by excercising my economic choice not to purchase made by a Japanese company. Just one drop of water in the ocean, but if enough people feel the same way the Japanese goverment might sit up and take notice.
by the way...you're a moron.
Now I am calling you a name....
jazzy_doll said:
Have you talked to them? I have and they are smart and have a nervous system.
Have you ever put an open flame to a leaf? It pulls back - Those are nerves. Have you ever uprooted a plant and within a couple of hours it has shrivelled up?
Plus, I asked my 30 year old poinsetta who would win the Superbowl this year and it said the Colts - and fuck the spread!
I have heard that lobsters do not feel the pain (poolie).
But a bigger question is - Why do we allow sport fishing? Do fish not have nerves on their lips/mouths? What kind of barbaric sport is that? Here we are slamming the Japenese people for their treatment of dolphins, but in North America we celebrate the mutilation of fish as a national sport! Shit, we even have tons of TV shows dedicated to the abuse of fish! I have posted before as to why I would be shunned for "Catting" if I decided to fish off of my suburban deck with a fishing pole and piece of hotdog as bait. Why could I not snare a dog or cat and enjoy the "fight" as most fishermen say? Can I simply slump it off by saying, "they have no feelings around their mouths"?
As much as we want to yell and scream at other cultures, think about how we,as North Americans, approach the simple yet barbaric practice of fishing!!!
Add on - Several times while fishing as a youngster I ended up hooking a fish through the eye (as have many fishing guys) - Did it not feel it?.
But have you spoke with them?Cobster said:That's why I don't fish.
As for a leaf curling up because of a flame.
I mean paper curls when you hold a flame to it, no? (no nerves there) ;-)
Folks, if this video scares you, you are in for a surprise with what the Chineese are going to do to the world in the next 50 years. If it's half as bad as what Western culture did to it with the industrial revolution for 1/5th the population, we are in for a serious ride.
Western culture has created a huge demand globally for a lifestyle that when delivered for the rest of the world - will devastate the earth. The last of your worries will be dolphins slaughtered for meat in Japan.
PTL
Western culture has created a huge demand globally for a lifestyle that when delivered for the rest of the world - will devastate the earth. The last of your worries will be dolphins slaughtered for meat in Japan.
PTL
So long and thanks for all the fish
I just got word that the dolphins have read this thread.
"The torture is one thing, but if this is what comes from a show of support, we're outta here!", said Skipper, a 14 year-old bottle nose.
And with that they all left the planet. Now all we have left are the stupid whales.
"We're stronger, and now that the dolphins are gone, we're smarter too", reported Kamu, a 21 year-old orca.
I just got word that the dolphins have read this thread.
"The torture is one thing, but if this is what comes from a show of support, we're outta here!", said Skipper, a 14 year-old bottle nose.
And with that they all left the planet. Now all we have left are the stupid whales.
"We're stronger, and now that the dolphins are gone, we're smarter too", reported Kamu, a 21 year-old orca.
Hehehehe, I am.Cobster said:Ref, I think it's time you went and played with your "warm (hard) boiled eggs".
But speaking of paper curling...So does meat, so do plants...
So do the sacred of all - Human flesh.
Oh my, I'm all excited now...Jazzy, PM me your cell phone. I have an urge.
...and Jesus said that the wicked will lay to rest on a -Fuck Jesus, I am the son of God here. I rule this uselss waste of cyber-space. I want to cut out your heart and suck it as you breath on my cock to stay alive. When I blow my load I want you to graspe for breath like a fish on a hot summer dock. Your heart, my cock...working as one. When I come I slowly drift back into my masturbatory fantasy......
You have not answered me on your views of fishing. Do you agree that we should be allowed to torture fish?jazzy_doll said:Ref aka Hannibal.
Ref, you put an open flame to a leaf? You hear the plant's voice but not its cry?
If yes, then why?
If no, why not?
Come on Jazzy, make a stand!
I'm just as upset about the cruel dolphin slaughter as anyone, but there is another take on how the japanese treat animals. If I recall, some years ago monkeys were coming into japanese villages and doing a lot of damage. But the japanese did not do much to stop it nor do any harm to the monkeys. I got into a discussion of this with one of our japanese agents at the annual company sales meeting, and asked why they did not harm the monkeys. His answer had to do with how similar they are to man. To me, just the fact that monkeys are abundant in heavily populated Japan gives indication that their attitude towards animals is not always negative.
