This is bullshit! Sudbury man refused kidney transplant due to vaccination status dies

[massman]

This is exactly true. And you don’t need a flu shot to get a transplant so why the need for a COVID shot. It is a shot, not a “vaccine”.

Im not asking you directly of course. I’m boostered out the ass for COVID because I believe in the shot but I personally can’t get behind this type off treatment of a person for simply refusing what is now basically a different type of flu shot.

Ummm, it is exactly a vaccine.

 

[massman]

Bottomline. - Why is the COVID shot mandatory but the flu shot is not or the rest of the list of vaccines that are optional and recommended? It makes no sense.

Probably because the risk of dying from COVID is a lot higher than the flu (at least 3x higher, in pts hospitalized for flu or covid) and if you have an organ transplant the risk of death from COVID infection is 2-5 times higher than average. A transplanted organ in a (preventably) dead person means another person died on the waiting list.

 

[richaceg]

Dude all you are doing is regurgitating propaganda bought and paid for by Bill Gates, Pfizer, moderna, etc. From late 2021 most the hospital patients got the jabs and Toronto public health admitted on their Twitter that they inflated to covid deaths

Lol...I don't know if it's propaganda or not but I'd worry about COVID vaccine later and take that organ as priority... I'd give squeezer a handjob if that's what it takes to get an organ to save my life...

 

[tastingyou]

I’m all for vaccines but not for this ….

Sudbury man refused kidney transplant due to vaccination status dies: Report

Garnet Harper, 35, leaves behind a wife and five children.

www.thesudburystar.com

Organs available for transplant are a very scarce item. And as in most of these scenarios the medical community wants [ and should want ] the best possible surgical results which means that the potential recipient must meet certain criteria. Such as not being a smoker, an alcoholic , a drug user etc. Or in this case not being an idiot who will not sacrifice his conspiracy theory beliefs in order to save his life and who would be very unlikely to follow the best available advice in order for the transplant having the best odds for success.

NO SYMPATHY for the potential recipient.

 

[Meesh]

Dude all you are doing is regurgitating propaganda bought and paid for by Bill Gates, Pfizer, moderna, etc. From late 2021 most the hospital patients got the jabs and Toronto public health admitted on their Twitter that they inflated to covid deaths

Dude, all you are doing is spouting the right-wingnut propaganda full of half-truths and outright lies. I'll follow the science. You're welcome to follow the politics.

 

[Jenesis]

What's BS about this? You do whatever it takes to get that lifeline...throw your beliefs out of the window...that vaccine would ssved him...

The inconsistencies regarding vaccines and transplants is the BS but if you have no issue with that.

Yes, recommended for the public as it is not mandated but once you are asking for an organ this changes everything and you must follow the pre and post-organ transplant protocol. If not, you lose. It's the same with anything in life. If you want to adopt a child, you follow the adoption protocol or you get squat! You want to drive a car, you follow the rules or you use the TTC. You do not have to comply but the individual deals with the consequences of their principles or stupidity.

So you think that having one type of vaccine as mandatory and another as recommended when both are dealing with basically the same thing as acceptable?

You are so far on this COVID train that you are not even taking two seconds to thinking logically about this.

I have no issue with transplant recipients needing to do things to get an organ, I just think it should be the same across the board so if COVID shots are mandatory then ALL flu like shots should be as well. All vaccines should be. You want an organ, get them all done. Not cherry picking which vaccines based on the current popularity contest of which vaccine is currently On peoples minds.

 

[MRBJX]

Dude it is not corrupt. Hospitals have procedures and certain ways of doing things. If you don't trust your doctor on their recommendation on a COVID vaccine, why would you trust them on the transplant?

Of course its corrupt - the covid vaccine is a farce, it doesn't work and there is more evidence of harm than benefit no matter which way you slice it.
Fall in line and be a boot licker if you want that's your choice and it will have consequences beyond your wildest nightmare.

 

[Jenesis]

Probably because the risk of dying from COVID is a lot higher than the flu (at least 3x higher, in pts hospitalized for flu or covid) and if you have an organ transplant the risk of death from COVID infection is 2-5 times higher than average. A transplanted organ in a (preventably) dead person means another person died on the waiting list.

Data in this please. Since you used actual numbers.

I would like to see what the risk of death from the flu is after a transplant as well.

To be clear - I support the shot. I am boostered and will continue to be. I get the flu shot as well. I just don’t see why one is mandatory and the other is not. Not to mention the other vaccines that are not mandatory.

Seems this was put in place during the height of the pandemic and needs to be changed now. Or the other recommendations needs to be kicked up but something seems off. To me anyways

 

[boobtoucher]

Dude all you are doing is regurgitating propaganda bought and paid for by Bill Gates, Pfizer, moderna, etc. From late 2021 most the hospital patients got the jabs and Toronto public health admitted on their Twitter that they inflated to covid deaths

I'm going to open the floor and let you finish that thought:

WHY is Bill Gates paying for propaganda that encourages people to get vaccinated. How does it benefit him? Explain it to me like I'm 5.

Also: Do you have the link to that tweet from TPH?

 

[Kautilya]

Of course its corrupt - the covid vaccine is a farce, it doesn't work and there is more evidence of harm than benefit no matter which way you slice it.
Fall in line and be a boot licker if you want that's your choice and it will have consequences beyond your wildest nightmare.

No its not a farce. Tell that to people whose lives were saved or to people who regretted not getting it.

The only consequence here is that this guy is dead because he wouldn't get a vaccine!

 

[Kautilya]

Seems this was put in place during the height of the pandemic and needs to be changed now. Or the other recommendations needs to be kicked up but something seems off. To me anyways

No that's precisely it. For example they kept mask mandates in hospitals on even after it was taken off everywhere else. I haven't been to a hospital since April but I had to wear a mask. So probably a standing requirement.

But this guy refused for political reasons and paid the price with his life. Most people here supporting the guy are anti vax. Not sensible hospital policy lol.

 

[Jenesis]

No that's precisely it. For example they kept mask mandates in hospitals on even after it was taken off everywhere else. I haven't been to a hospital since April but I had to wear a mask. So probably a standing requirement.

But this guy refused for political reasons and paid the price with his life. Most people here supporting the guy are anti vax. Not sensible hospital policy lol.

I’m not anti vax and I don’t remember them giving the reason as anti vax for not getting it with this guy. Maybe I am forgetting.

I have been in hospitals and doctors office. All mask as recommended now from my understanding. At least out here in Durham/Peterborough

 

[Kautilya]

I’m not anti vax and I don’t remember them giving the reason as anti vax for not getting it with this guy. Maybe I am forgetting.

I have been in hospitals and doctors office. All mask as recommended now from my understanding. At least out here in Durham/Peterborough

I am talking about the guys in this thread.

In UHN it was required until April, not sure now.

 

[dvous11]

Being anti-vax in general is much different than not agreeing with the scam/hypocrisy of the C19 jabs.

 

[Kautilya]

Being anti-vax in general is much different than not agreeing with the scam/hypocrisy of the C19 jabs.

Except it is not a scam. Yes, there have been some messages that have flip flopped. But in general the jab is safe and effective in preventing adverse symptoms of COVID, especially in older people with pre-existing conditions. Such as the guy who died per the initial post.

 

[dvous11]

Except it is not a scam. Yes, there have been some messages that have flip flopped. But in general the jab is safe and effective in preventing adverse symptoms of COVID, especially in older people with pre-existing conditions. Such as the guy who died per the initial post.

You can believe whatever you like.
Choose to believe the "safe and effective" propaganda, or the data on massive amount of adverse reactions.
Bottom line is, this thing should be OPTIONAL.

 

[massman]

Data in this please. Since you used actual numbers.

I would like to see what the risk of death from the flu is after a transplant as well.

To be clear - I support the shot. I am boostered and will continue to be. I get the flu shot as well. I just don’t see why one is mandatory and the other is not. Not to mention the other vaccines that are not mandatory.

Seems this was put in place during the height of the pandemic and needs to be changed now. Or the other recommendations needs to be kicked up but something seems off. To me anyways

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2803749#:~:text=The%20death%20rate%20at%2030,CI%2C%201.29%2D2.02%5D

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COVID vs influenza (in genera population)

Incidence, Risk Factors, and Outcomes of COVID-19 Infection in a Large Cohort of Solid Organ Transplant Recipients

Solid organ transplant recipients (SOTr) are at increased risk for severe disease from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) compared with non-SOTr.We performed a retrospective cohort study between March 1, 2020, and March, 30, 2021, in an integrated healthcare ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study actually suggests the risk of death in transplant patients is even higher than I quoted (the figure I quoted is what a number of transplant programs use when explaining this to their patients).

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/spectrum.03226-22

Study of >1000 transplant patients, 84 influenza infections, only one related death.

The other factor that must be taken into account is the prevalence of the infection. There are a vastly greater number of COVID infections compared to influenza, so the chance of acquiring COVID is much higher.

 

[massman]

You can believe whatever you like.
Choose to believe the "safe and effective" propaganda, or the data on massive amount of adverse reactions.
Bottom line is, this thing should be OPTIONAL.

It’s not propaganda. There have been billions of doses given. The actual data on safety indicate that the risks of the vaccine are very rare. The benefits (preventing severe disease and death) are absolutely clear. We probably know more about the efficacy and safety of this vaccine than any other.

 

[Jenesis]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2803749#:~:text=The%20death%20rate%20at%2030,CI%2C%201.29%2D2.02%5D

).
COVID vs influenza (in genera population)

Incidence, Risk Factors, and Outcomes of COVID-19 Infection in a Large Cohort of Solid Organ Transplant Recipients

Solid organ transplant recipients (SOTr) are at increased risk for severe disease from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) compared with non-SOTr.We performed a retrospective cohort study between March 1, 2020, and March, 30, 2021, in an integrated healthcare ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study actually suggests the risk of death in transplant patients is even higher than I quoted (the figure I quoted is what a number of transplant programs use when explaining this to their patients).

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/spectrum.03226-22

Study of >1000 transplant patients, 84 influenza infections, only one related death.

The other factor that must be taken into account is the prevalence of the infection. There are a vastly greater number of COVID infections compared to influenza, so the chance of acquiring COVID is much higher.

Well COVID effects/deaths are decreasing (as per your article) and I guess medically they haven’t decreased enough. Don’t get me wrong, I get that COVID is an issue, I just believe(d), maybe naively, that it was closer akin to the flu now that the pandemic is over and therefore should be optional for transplant just as the flu shot is. Everything is going “recommended” over “mandatory” and I guess COVID is not there yet????? In this regard????

I’m a woman, this man does so young, it pulls at my heart and I don’t fall into the political realm of this fight so my agreements/opinions are usually different. If that makes sense.

 

[dvous11]

It’s not propaganda. There have been billions of doses given. The actual data on safety indicate that the risks of the vaccine are very rare. The benefits (preventing severe disease and death) are absolutely clear. We probably know more about the efficacy and safety of this vaccine than any other.

So far, there are more logged adverse reactions and deaths due to the c19 jabs than all over vaccines COMBINED in history.
Recipients are still part of the experiment as there was no long term safety testing.