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Actually the Arab states had a large role in the creation of the refugees, declaring war in the first place, broddcasting calls for Palestinians to leave the area until the Jews were driven in to the sea and spreading fear of the Jews. Of course the Israelis played a role too but the Arab states sure as hell did their share to create the refugees and a huge responsibility for keeping their offspring in awful conditions.The only problem with this is that the burden of supporting the refugees falls on Arab countries that had nothing to do with making them refugees. Maybe if Israel would pay reparations towards re/settlement it would make sense.
Actually the Right wing Israeli parties are pushing a two state solution where around 10% of the West Bank is part of Israel.Nice try. Just because I think the 1967 borders are a dead issue doesn't mean that I answer no.
And at present, the people pushing the one state solution are the right wing Israeli parties.
Hamas (who you feel is the lefally elected Palestinian government) is pushing the idea of an Islamic state through all of the region.
Again your insistance on making up facts that support your opinion is sad.
Thanks for backing up what I said.1Again your insistance on making up facts that support your opinion is sad.
Oh come on...they are just terrified of the looming demographic reality. Please do not give us that nonsense of alturism. Why do they let in Yemenese yet they deny people born there and their children... I think the simple answer is RACISM!!!! Also why is it the job of all the other Arab countries to integrate the refugees of Israeli genocide? Did Israel offer any funds or compensation? If one were ever to tally the bill for Israel the liability would run into hundreds of billions.Of course they are undesirable because they have been denied education or opportunity in the countries where they were born - who's fault is that?
You might also look at the uneducated refugees that Israel took in such as the Jews from Yemen who had no idea of what an airplane even was before they got on one. Of course the Yemenese Jews were accepted and given the chance to become full citizens.
Given that Arab countries ethnically cleansed 700k Jews from their territories it seems if any payment is to be made for settling refugees it's from the Arab countries to Israel.
You do know that the land that was stolen from Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab lands is comparable in size to the entire State of Israel?
You do know that the land that was stolen from Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab lands is comparable in size to the entire State of Israel?
My understanding is the count is around a million. Arabs stole land, houses, businesses, bank account, farms from Jews, yet that is not important.Given that Arab countries ethnically cleansed 700k Jews from their territories it seems if any payment is to be made for settling refugees it's from the Arab countries to Israel.
You do know that the land that was stolen from Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab lands is comparable in size to the entire State of Israel?
Here is a documentary about the story of jews that got butchered in arab countries, hopefully some of the open minded people here will watch it, I know lots of people are not aware of this story.
There are several parts to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nwI2hzPjrA
I am not saying that was not a crime, clearly it needs to be looked at but one must wonder why Israel is so silent on this issue. Probably because it will open up a can of worms in regard to the Palis. So there you go, Israel decided to abandon the Arab jews for the good of Israel. More questionable ethics from this apartheid state. Also it will open up a can of worms in regard to France, Hungary, Poland, Romania, etc etc etc... why should the Arabs pay compensation when all the Euroepean countries got to keep their holocaust booty?Given that Arab countries ethnically cleansed 700k Jews from their territories it seems if any payment is to be made for settling refugees it's from the Arab countries to Israel.
You do know that the land that was stolen from Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab lands is comparable in size to the entire State of Israel?
Is that supposed to make it ok that they came and took away lands from Arabs that were the entire state of Israel?Given that Arab countries ethnically cleansed 700k Jews from their territories it seems if any payment is to be made for settling refugees it's from the Arab countries to Israel.
You do know that the land that was stolen from Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab lands is comparable in size to the entire State of Israel?
At least a large chunk of that group were given free Palestinian land, while the Palestinian's were left to exist in refugee camps.
The problem was there was and is no policy that would allow the people who were living in what is now Israel to peacefully exist in the same land.
And today, Israel is still trying to expand its land, reduce the rights of Palestinians living there and continue its slow process of ethnic cleansing.
Same old, same old.
Oh, and just for fun, here are a couple of quotes on the 'ethnically cleansed' 700k that Fuji speaks of from wiki.
So calling these people 'ethnically cleansed' is a lie.
They were actively encouraged by Israel, to come and live in Israel.
To the point where Mossad allegedly bombed Jews in foreign countries to scare them to leave.
Lets not forget that to this day Israel has a campaign of free travel for Jews coming to Israel.
And of the remainder who did not leave of their own volition, a good many of these found that after the 1948 fights in Palestine/Israel, Jews were no longer as welcome. Once again, Israel aggressions working against their own good.
andHowever, some Jews of Arab origin, including former Knesset speaker Yisrael Yeshayahu, former government minister Shlomo Hillel, and politician Ran Cohen state that they left their country of origin for Israel to pursue Zionist aspirations and not as refugees fleeing Arab persecution.[14]
See also: Operation Magic Carpet (Yemen) and Operation Ezra and Nehemiah
From 1948-1949, the Israeli government secretly airlifted 50,000 Jews from Yemen and from 1950–1952, 130,000 Jews were airlifted from Iraq. From 1949-1951, 30,000 Jews fled Libya to Israel. In these cases over 90% of the Jewish population opted to leave, despite the necessity of leaving their property behind.[15]
Fuji.
You really should stop lying so much, its getting pathetic.
There are claims about the methods employed by Israeli officials in their attempts to stimulate emigration to Israel. The most famous case is the 1950 Iraq bombing campaign against Jewish targets which some blame on the Mossad and Mossad LeAliyah Bet agents trying to encourage Jewish emigration to Israel.[16]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_landsOf the nearly 900,000 Jewish refugees, approximately 680,000 were absorbed by Israel
So calling these people 'ethnically cleansed' is a lie.
They were actively encouraged by Israel, to come and live in Israel.
To the point where Mossad allegedly bombed Jews in foreign countries to scare them to leave.
Lets not forget that to this day Israel has a campaign of free travel for Jews coming to Israel.
And of the remainder who did not leave of their own volition, a good many of these found that after the 1948 fights in Palestine/Israel, Jews were no longer as welcome. Once again, Israel aggressions working against their own good.
I am amazed at the "Arabs did no wrong, it's all Israel's fault" myopics. Amazed. Israel aren't angels I agree, but you idiots elevating the Arabs and ROW silent Muslins as saints is incredulous.
A reasonable person would say a) that they know there is no way ever that they would get anything from the Arab nations and b) that the Arab Jews who came were assimilated, given cirizenship and rights and not locked up in camps.I am not saying that was not a crime, clearly it needs to be looked at but one must wonder why Israel is so silent on this issue...
I guess you had no idea that there were 3/4 of a million Jews living in the British mandate and that they had bought - as in legally purchased - the land they lived on from their previous owners. You may have also missed that the UN created a Palestinian state at the same time but Jordan and Egypt stole it from them.Is that supposed to make it ok that they came and took away lands from Arabs that were the entire state of Israel?
Of course that is because the Arab states refused to accept refugees and kept them in those camps.while the Palestinian's were left to exist in refugee camps
You are right. Even thogh Israel is democratic and it's Arab citizens seem to have the same rights, we have policies from one of the two Palestinian governments that refuses to accept Israel and indoctrinates children to hate. If fact Hamas and many other militant movements just signed a document that refuses to have any kind of compromise.
Unfortunately your pathetic non-facts are...
Same old, same old.
That is rubbish. You are saying the Jewish state is not prepared to demand.. that is the most ABSURD thing I have ever heard. The real reason is they know it will cast a spotlight on their own crimes, so they have decided to shaddap. Also, they were glad to accept the Jews as it delayed the inevitable demographic transition to an Arab majority. Funny how outsiders were accepted yet residents were LOCKED OUT.... RACISM...please explain to me why Israel will not issue citizenship to those born in Israel? PLEASE!!! is that because under Israel law their children would AUTOMATICALLY be entitled to Israeli citizenship? hmmmm. Yet Jews with NO HISTORICAL LINKS are welcomed into the Apartheid state.A reasonable person would say a) that they know there is no way ever that they would get anything from the Arab nations and b) that the Arab Jews who came were assimilated, given cirizenship and rights and not locked up in camps.
If you didn't insist on selective quotes and intentionally ignoring what is written, you may have noticed a bunch of things that show violence and forced expulsions.Oh, and just for fun, here are a couple of quotes on the 'ethnically cleansed' 700k that Fuji speaks of from wiki.
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The first two days of demonstrations in Bahrain saw rock throwing against Jews, but on December 5 mobs in the capital of Manama looted Jewish homes and shops, destroyed the synagogue, beat any Jews they could find, and murdered one elderly woman.[46]
In June 1948, a bomb exploded in Cairo's Karaite quarter, killing 22 Jews. In July 1948, Jewish shops and the Cairo Synagogue were attacked, killing 19 Jews.[1] Hundreds of Jews were arrested and had their property confiscated. The 1954, the Lavon Affair served as a pretext for further persecution of Egyptian Jews. In October 1956, when the Suez Crisis erupted, 1,000 Jews were arrested and 500 Jewish businesses were seized by the government. A statement branding the Jews "enemies of the state" was read out in the mosques of Cairo and Alexandria. Jewish bank accounts were confiscated and many Jews lost their jobs. Lawyers, engineers, doctors and teachers were not allowed to work in their professions. In 1967, Jews were detained and tortured, and Jewish homes were confiscated.[1]
In 1951, the fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion was translated into Arabic and promoted as an authentic historical document, fueling anti-Semitic sentiments in Egypt.[49] In 1960, the Protocols were the subject of an article by Salah Dasuqi, military governor of Cairo, in al-Majallaaa, the official cultural journal.[50] In 1965, the Egyptian government released an English-language pamphlet titled Israel, the Enemy of Africa and distributed it throughout the English-speaking countries of Africa. The pamphlet used the Protocols and The International Jew as its sources and concluded that all the Jews were cheats, thieves, and murderers.[51]
In 1941, following Rashid Ali's pro-Axis coup, riots known as the Farhud broke out in Baghdad in which approximately 180 Jews were killed and about 240 were wounded, 586 Jewish-owned businesses were looted and 99 Jewish houses were destroyed.[52]
On August 21, 1950, the Iraqi minister of interior threatened the company flying the Jews to have its license revoked if it does not fulfil the quota of 500 Jews per day. Later on, on September 18, 1950, Nuri As-said summoned a representative of the Jewish community and told him that he knows that Israel is behind the delay in the departure of the Jews, and threatened to "take them to the borders".
Two months before the expiry of the law, by which time about 85,000 Jews had registered, a bombing campaign against Jews in Baghdad began. The law expired in March 1951, but was later extended after the Iraqi government froze and later appropriated the assets of departing Jews (including those already left).In 1951 the Iraqi Government passed legislation that made affiliation with Zionism a felony and ordered, "the expulsion of Jews who refused to sign a statement of anti-Zionism."[53]
A series of pogroms started in Tripoli in November 1945; over a period of several days more than 130 Jews (including 36 children) were killed, hundreds were injured, 4,000 were left homeless, and 2,400 were reduced to poverty. Five synagogues in Tripoli and four in provincial towns were destroyed, and over 1,000 Jewish residences and commercial buildings were plundered in Tripoli alone.[64] The pogroms continued in June 1948, when 15 Jews were killed and 280 Jewish homes destroyed.[65]
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In 1970 the Libyan government issued new laws which confiscated all the assets of Libya's Jews, issuing in their stead 15 year bonds. However, when the bonds matured no compensation was paid. Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi justified this on the grounds that "the alignment of the Jews with Israel, the Arab nations' enemy, has forfeited their right to compensation."[68]
n June 1948, soon after Israel was established and in the midst of the first Arab-Israeli war, riots against Jews broke out in Oujda and Djerada, killing 44 Jews.
Rioters in Aleppo in 1947 burned the city's Jewish quarter and killed 75 people.[78]
Following Tunisia's independence from France in 1956, a number of anti-Jewish policies led to emigration, of which half went to Israel and the other half to France. After attacks in 1967, Jewish emigration both to Israel and France accelerated. There were also attacks in 1982, 1985, and most recently in 2002 when a bomb in Djerba took 21 lives (most of them German tourists) near the local synagogue, in a terrorist attack claimed by Al-Qaeda. (See Ghriba synagogue bombing).
In 1947, riots killed at least 80 Jews in Aden, a British colony in southern Yemen.
(all from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_lands)
I am sure it sucks for you when your own sources belie your 'facts'.
Basketcase, I do not make little of suffering by Jews through the second world war or previously. And I do not belittle the violence done to Jews in other Arab countries, just as I do not make fun of the suffering by Arabs or Palestinian's through the creation of Israel. But if you also read the full article, you will note that the vast majority of all the violence that you listed, most of it happened after the 1948 battles in Israel which so angered Arabs throughout the world. Yes, Jews were violently attacked (as were Palestinians in Palestine), but one of the reasons that the violence became so bad was the Nabka. My point is that for Fuji to call these Jews ethnically cleansed is a lie, they were actively courted to emmigrate to Israel and pushed locally because of the violence happening in Israel.If you didn't insist on selective quotes and intentionally ignoring what is written, you may have noticed a bunch of things that show violence and forced expulsions.
No only an ultra pro Israel support would conclude that. Many claims are made in international politics when no payment is ever expected. But of course as I said this would cast a very unwelcome spotlight on Israels own genocidal activities.A reasonable person would say a) that they know there is no way ever that they would get anything from the Arab nations and b) that the Arab Jews who came were assimilated, given cirizenship and rights and not locked up in camps.
The Palestinians too were urged by Arab leaders to leave Israel. So not ethnically cleansed either?y point is that for Fuji to call these Jews ethnically cleansed is a lie, they were actively courted to emmigrate to Israel and pushed locally because of the violence happening in Israel.
To this day the Arab countries that ethnically cleansed Jews continue with extreme persecutions of any Jewish people who might attempt to live within their borders. It was very clear ethnic cleansing. There is no question about it, except to syncophants like you who refuse to believe anything bad about Arab nations, no matter what sort of genocide, no matter what sort of ethnic cleansing, no matter what sort of atrocity they commit.
perhaps in isolated cases this may be true, but on the whole they were exorted to fight to the death. In many cases they fled for safety as a state of war enveloped them. So they mainly war refugees.The Palestinians too were urged by Arab leaders to leave Israel. So not ethnically cleansed either?
To this day the Arab countries that ethnically cleansed Jews continue with extreme persecutions of any Jewish people who might attempt to live within their borders. It was very clear ethnic cleansing. There is no question about it, except to syncophants like you who refuse to believe anything bad about Arab nations, no matter what sort of genocide, no matter what sort of ethnic cleansing, no matter what sort of atrocity they commit.
My point to flub was that the situation was identical on both sides. Both groups faced both exhortations from their own leaders to flee their homes, and also faced real persecution from the other side. There is really no difference between the two sides with respect to these topics. They were all war refugees, on both sides.perhaps in isolated cases this may be true, but on the whole they were exorted to fight to the death. In many cases they fled for safety as a state of war enveloped them. So they mainly war refugees.
For the record the Arab leaderships urging that Palestinians flee the area weren't isolated cases, but widespread policy. That's similar on the Jewish side too, although the motivations were quite different, the actions of the leaders on each side were pretty similar.
The Arab leaders insisted that Palestinians flee because they were worried that if any Palestinians stayed behind and accepted Jewish rule that this would legitimize Israel. Palestinians who consented to live in Israel and accept a Jewish government were back then viewed as treasonous. Turned out to be one of the biggest blunders of the century, but that is what they did.
