They're thinking the same thing as me.Lots of licensed spas (even amongst the 25 bodyrub licenses) are quite close to children areas
I often wonder what some guys are thinking going in during daytime hours
What on earth are you talking about?not being licensed and operating a business is a CRIMINAL ISSUE. You are not authorized to run a business let alone operate a sex shop.
As far as the license goes, the reason there are so many "holistic spas" is that there are only 25 licenses available. I'm sure that those MPs that own a real actual City of Toronto body rub license would LOVE for the city or LE to crack down severely on the holistic spas because it would be the goose that laid the golden egg for them.
In my humble opinion the city should just offer up more licenses to the public at large to whoever wants to buy them. Good sources f revenue for a cash strapped city. Of course those spas that figure their license is worth north of 150 grand wouldn't be too happy about that. But it makes sense to me.
hours of operationWTF is the difference between holistic and body rub license (except cost) ?
not being licensed and operating a business is a CRIMINAL ISSUE. You are not authorized to run a business let alone operate a sex shop.
First off, sweetiepie, the Criminal Code of Canada doesn't deal with summary offences (with a few exceptions). Second, commercial establishments are regulated at the provincial level, not the federal level. But with massage parlours (along with many other establishments), Ontario delegates regulations to municipalities. It is then the responsibility of each municipality to come up with laws to regulate massage parlours. Public health inspectors can come knocking anytime, and if they find out that an MP is unlicensed or that a holistic centre is offering "body-rub" services (as defined in the Code), they have every right to charge the operator. For the most part, the police only gets involved when a health inspector is denied entry into an establishment.Perhaps you can point to the law in the criminal code that says you must have a municipal bylaw enforced licence to run a sex shop?
The listing of offences: 545-7A. There shall be taken out by the following persons a licence from the Municipal Licensing and Standards Division authorizing them respectively to carry on their several trades, businesses, and occupations in the City of Toronto for which licence the person obtaining the same shall pay to the Municipal Licensing and Standards Division at the time of taking out such licence the fee fixed by this chapter, and no person shall, within the City of Toronto, carry on or engage in any of the said trades, businesses or occupations until he or she has procured such licence so to do:
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(7) Every person who owns or operates a body-rub parlour.
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These by-laws are definitely enforceable, and anybody caught can potentially face serious monetary fines. Although in reality, the fines that actually get handed out are not too severe, save for repeat offenders. And even though there's a possibility of imprisonment, it would only happen in extreme circumstances.D. Every person who contravenes the provisions of § 545-2A(7) or (55) and every director or officer of a corporation who concurs in such contravention by the corporation is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine not exceeding $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year or to both.
E. Where a corporation is convicted of an offence under Subsection D, the maximum penalty that may be imposed on the corporation is $50,000.
i read her comment as no owner is going after holistics and that this has been going on for a long time..... as opposed to a new thing started by an ownerWhy does MPAsquared feel her body rub is safe from a bust but holistic spas are not?
.Why does MPAsquared feel her body rub is safe from a bust but holistic spas are not?
I'm assuming it's because she has a body-rub parlour license, while those holistic spas do not. You are not allowed to offer body-rub services in your establishment is you do not have the proper license. As long as MPAsquared makes sure to renew her license every year, she has nothing to fear in terms of a raid. It's as simple as that.Why does MPAsquared feel her body rub is safe from a bust but holistic spas are not?
That is what I was thinking. Holistic spa license does not allow body rub but a body rub license does . Simple as that and yes, she does have a body rub license.I'm assuming it's because she has a body-rub parlour license, while those holistic spas do not. You are not allowed to offer body-rub services in your establishment is you do not have the proper license. As long as MPAsquared makes sure to renew her license every year, she has nothing to fear in terms of a raid. It's as simple as that.
First off, sweetiepie, the Criminal Code of Canada doesn't deal with summary offences (with a few exceptions). Second, commercial establishments are regulated at the provincial level, not the federal level. But with massage parlours (along with many other establishments), Ontario delegates regulations to municipalities. It is then the responsibility of each municipality to come up with laws to regulate massage parlours. Public health inspectors can come knocking anytime, and if they find out that an MP is unlicensed or that a holistic centre is offering "body-rub" services (as defined in the Code), they have every right to charge the operator. For the most part, the police only gets involved when a health inspector is denied entry into an establishment.
But sweetiepie does have a point that licenses are required. Just look at the Toronto Municipal Code, Chapter 545: Licensing.
The requirement to be licensed: 545-2
The listing of offences: 545-7
These by-laws are definitely enforceable, and anybody caught can potentially face serious monetary fines. Although in reality, the fines that actually get handed out are not too severe, save for repeat offenders. And even though there's a possibility of imprisonment, it would only happen in extreme circumstances.
So, sweetiepie is right in saying that a licensing is a legal requirement for MPs, but a violation of this requirement is not a criminal offence; it is a summary offence with (mainly) financial penalties.
Wait....are we talking about body rub or sex shop. Big difference!not being licensed and operating a business is a CRIMINAL ISSUE. You are not authorized to run a business let alone operate a sex shop.
Having a municipal license would not exempt a business from criminal charges if they were found to be running a sex shop.So, sweetiepie is right in saying that a licensing is a legal requirement for MPs, but a violation of this requirement is not a criminal offence; it is a summary offence with (mainly) financial penalties.
sex doesnt have to include intercourseWait....are we talking about body rub or sex shop. Big difference!
Sex Shop
noun ; a store that sells products relating to sexual interests or activities.
Body Rub
A body rub is, technically, an erotic massage that may or may not include extras, e.g. happy endings. Sometimes these take place in hotels or motels; other times the masseuse will come to the client's home.
I thought it interesting in the news clips they referred to them as Sex Shops......a little exaggeration for attention perhaps?
Well, she may not have to worry about bylaw enforcement, but she damn well does have to worry about law enforcement. There is that whole c36 thing remember. And if I recall, the bylaw forbids sexual acts in a body rub parlour and well, bad news, hand jobs and body slides are considered sexual acts. The city chooses to turn a blind eye (for now) But things can and do change.I'm assuming it's because she has a body-rub parlour license, while those holistic spas do not. You are not allowed to offer body-rub services in your establishment is you do not have the proper license. As long as MPAsquared makes sure to renew her license every year, she has nothing to fear in terms of a raid. It's as simple as that.
Ya, she's walked past me a few times in the streets, she's quite attractive, she's a spinner , probably 5' tall at most.The reporter Christina looks pretty hot lol
Absolutely bang on. Much ado about nothing. You think the city and municipal licensing are going to halt their gravy train when it comes to holistic spas?Lmao. You guys don't get it. No one is going after anyone. It's been a long time battle between holistic spas and body rub parlors. Stop being so dramatic.
Hence why I replied to clarify.I don't think that is a good way to speak to your potential clients like that. They have a right to be worried about these kinds of things. The last thing any of them want is to be in the middle of a session with a mpa and the place get raided. No one is being dramatic, they are expressing their concern.
That's not all accurate.That is not true considering they are talking about UNLICENSED body rub parlours / sex parlours. That is what the news was talking about. They were talking about the ones that are not legit and operating close to schools and residential areas. The public is concerned because all the licensed ones are away from schools and residential areas and should not be in an area where there are children playing or if there are schools nearby. It is just not right. I understand what these guys are saying the police have every right to raid massage parlours if they do not have the proper paperwork to operate.
*Alternative fact*not being licensed and operating a business is a CRIMINAL ISSUE. You are not authorized to run a business let alone operate a sex shop.
Huge differences. One is an esthetic license misused to operate as a body rub parlor. That's like asking what's wrong with a bar operating as a strip club.WTF is the difference between holistic and body rub license (except cost) ?
Correct.I'm assuming it's because she has a body-rub parlour license, while those holistic spas do not. You are not allowed to offer body-rub services in your establishment is you do not have the proper license. As long as MPAsquared makes sure to renew her license every year, she has nothing to fear in terms of a raid. It's as simple as that.
Untrue. We don't sell sex. We sell time. Refer to the c36 threads for the specific details I laid out 2yrs ago.Well, she may not have to worry about bylaw enforcement, but she damn well does have to worry about law enforcement. There is that whole c36 thing remember. And if I recall, the bylaw forbids sexual acts in a body rub parlour and well, bad news, hand jobs and body slides are considered sexual acts. The city chooses to turn a blind eye (for now) But things can and do change.
And someone who gets it. Bingo!Absolutely bang on. Much ado about nothing. You think the city and municipal licensing are going to halt their gravy train when it comes to holistic spas?
