None of those (macro) factors have ever had any impact on rates, and nor would they. The same goes for any illicit/unregulated activity.
Theory on Outcall rate increase
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I’m not sure I agree - so you think the price of coke in Toronto hasn’t fluctuated alongside the financial crisis, the slow years, and then the following massive long boom? Heck, average Toronto hotel room prices have increased dramatically in the last 5 years.
@Squeezer - it’s that attitude again that I find weird, I was pointing out the significant negativity and I’m automatically not smart. I’ve been a client of half the other agencies you’ve referenced and have never tried Cupid’s yet. It just seemed like a bunch of people were up in arms about the price of a specific brand of champagne going up?
I will honestly say though that one high volume agency was on my personal shitlist - I’ve heard from past and present ladies that the treatment was poor, frequently 15 mins or less time to tidy between clients, one told me that the waiting room was in disrepair on top of everything else. So in that instance, their pricing structure aside, I’m okay not being smart.
My belief is that an across the board increase of agency rates by $50 would reproduce that behaviour to some extent. Guys would race to book the well-reviewed girls or their regulars, but then will be far less likely to try girls who are yet to be reviewed, girls with minimal feedback posted. Less spur of the moment bookings, and possibly bookings for shorter sessions instead if the option exists. And if the girl they want is not available, they'll keep their money and try another time, instead of risking a disappointment. I may well be wrong but my guess is that the increase would benefit only some girls.
Back in the mid 90's, the City passed an ordinance against contact lap dancing and ordered TPS to go undercover in strip clubs and enforce this silly crap. For a few weeks, there was no lap dancing. Then the girls started doing it again, but raised prices from $10 to $20 because of "risk". (Actually TPS had simply moved on and there was no legal risk; but it was an excuse for a big price hike).
The price increase changed the industry. Half the guys who had previously dropped by for some dirty fun simply stopped coming. The others stopped paying for the less attractive girls and concentrated on the top tier hotties. Got to maximize the return on your money, right guys?! So half the girls in the industry were forced out. The other half made somewhat more than before. With discretionary spending, you can always spend a little more if you really want to.
The difference with the Cupids situation might be that the clients are visitors and may not know the girls, use TERB or do anything but take pot luck on who's available at the time they call.
Gee, buddy! I really hope Cupids gives you that $100 discount you're trying so hard for!
I know exactly the agency you are referring to. They use to bring in more "new girls to the industry" than they do now but I still have found some gems. They are a little too quick to move ladies immediately into VIP status in my opinion but I still frequent them often.
I do have to give Minx, TGF and WestEnd Ladies props as well, all have very good choices at fair prices.
Agencies I avoid are Trophy Mate, Cachet and Cupids. No offense to these agencies, it's just my choice of where I choose to spend or not spend my money.
I just noticed Jillian's Twitter rant with the cheerleading accompaniment of the usual pack of lapdogs. I am at a loss to understand why Jillian is so very thin-skinned that she has to lash back at every comment that doesn't 100% agree with her. I think we have all tried to be quite civilized in this thread. So why she has to retaliate from her podium on Twitter baffles me.
One of the reasons that Cupids is becoming less popular with the guys I know is the continual drama of dealing with it. Most of the negative comments are off board, but they exist. Guys are sick of the continual nastiness and are avoiding Cupids because it's simply too much of a hassle to walk on eggshells when commenting on the agency, its girls and its policies.
And why anyone places any value at all on creeps like Roaming Guy or Simon baffles me too. They are pariahs on this board because of their nastiness and poor attitude and their opinions are worthless. They simply say whatever they think will get them pets and strokes from whatever girl or agency they're fawning over at the time. I'm not even sure those guys book girls.
Cupids, you're in business. What your customers think about you translates into dollars or lost dollars. Continually snapping back is not a good strategy to maintain your client base.
I've used Cupids about a half-dozen times through the summer after a hiatus of some years. The fact that I am already being attacked by Jillian suggests strongly that it's simply not possible or comfortable to remain a Cupids client for very long without some type of blow out. Is this the atmosphere that Cupids really wants for its customers? Where is this going to lead over time?
Hush isn’t the boutique agency now as when it started out. And yes they are really quick to raise a girls rates to $300 even if she’s ymmv and 15 minute for the girls in between sessions is disgusting for me IMO.
Okay so I’m back... I thought I could control my self enough and take the high ground but nope couldn’t help it. Also I got 4 PMs from guys thanking me for my comments on the girls in other threads so I know the silent majority who use this board doesent share the same views as some of the people in here that have 1000+ posts
Anyways I will only be addressing oagre in my comments. He is the only one so far that actually uses the agency in question here and is not just a troll.
Below are some of the Points:
1. I think every argument has two sides. I am clearly on the side supporting the agency. I just feel it’s hypocritical for guys in here to be championing fairness yet anytime there is someone on the other side they are attacked. Just cause I like the agency doesent make me invalid or a shill. Anytime anyone posts supporting an agency they are immediately attacked and the assumption is made they are being paid. Well if you guys truly believe no one likes these agencies then I wonder how they are in business ... I’m just trying to have a civil discussion
2. I think the point oagre is making about Cupid’s appealing to out of towners is valid and important. I agree that for guys living in the city sticking to one agency or agencies as a whole is not the smartest. I have as I mentioned seen independents that I would rank higher than any agency girl (with the exception of one Cupid girl lol). You can take that argument to extremes with pornstars who do escorting ( my friend paid thousands for one hour which I’m sure it beats any regular escort ) or even sugar babes who would for pennies (relatively ) provide the same service. But my point here is that those things take time energy and planning. For someone just coming for a day needing a last minute flick they want something reliable . To me Cupid’s and some other agencies (not gonna mention more names as I feel each agency has their trolls so don’t want to invite them ) do offer that reliability and consistent standards. So you can’t say just cause out of towners use an agency it’s bad.
3. I think the argument with variable rates within an agency could work but there are down sides. I personally do not have a position on this but I will play devils advocate. I think every guy is into different things so someone who is a “VIP” for most might not be good for others. I found once when I used an agency that had that structure I was so hyped to see what this “VIP” was but I left with a bit of a disappointment , while the girl was good I was so excited because she was isolated to have a higher rate but to me she was like the others. I feel like after a certain point looks become subjective. While we can all agree that some are just simply not attractive physically when it comes to girls that are attractive is very subjective who thinks whose better. The VIP rate to me therefore should be a reflection of the service and in theory an agency should have that standardized. We all know that’s not true hence why I thought these forums existed.
4. I think in regular business clients are always number 1 but in this sort of business I feel that you can argue having the girls as the number one priority is just as valid. Happy girls would result in better service eventually. If the girls feel like they should be getting more then that in it self is an argument for price increase. Just focusing on what the guys want is a slippery road the end result of which is worst service. I address this to oagre, you seem to like Julianna and Farrah if they felt like they should be getting more money do you blame them? If you think they don’t deserve it well lots of other guys do I can guarantee you that.
5. I think we need to realize that majority of customers don’t actually use terb and I’m not just talking about out of towners. To those guys presentation of the girls is key. And hence why there is so much focus on making the girls look their best on photo shoots , having a good website , friendly admin staff, SEO optimization etc. Those things factor in to the business and eventually the price as well. This is an expensive hobby and it does appeal to a certain clientele a lot of whome are not on here or Twitter. Just like any other luxury item or service you can’t always breakdown the price.
I also like to address all the personal attacks on me. I notice some people say they heard from their “guys “ on how they don’t like these changes etc. That to me is interesting since I did get a PM from another agency saying they heard from some “guys” that know Cupid’s how I’m just a shill or Jillian lol well I encourage these “guys” to go and talk to the agency you spoke to since they now know I was a valid customer of theirs and ironically enough they offered a credit (which I haven’t used ); I was never given such credits with Cupid’s even after I complained once privately about something.
Some people don’t like my reviews and I never claimed to be a good reviewer. In fact I don’t think they are reviews. I have a different approach and my goal was mainly to help people decide which girl to pick. I don’t like describing every detail on the intimacy or giving grades from 1-10. Also I am different than most I go into a session not expecting any intimacy but rather companionship and only would do that if there is connection , which most cases there is as I am also same age as most the girls. I don’t think people actually have disagreed with what I have described in fact many have stated and PMed that what I am saying is accurate.
There are those that also claim why does this guy have this much money to see girls and also the time to come write these essays lol. Well my job and how I like to spend my time isn’t anyone’s business here.
Anyways I will only be addressing oagre in my comments. He is the only one so far that actually uses the agency in question here and is not just a troll.
Below are some of the Points:
1. I think every argument has two sides. I am clearly on the side supporting the agency. I just feel it’s hypocritical for guys in here to be championing fairness yet anytime there is someone on the other side they are attacked. Just cause I like the agency doesent make me invalid or a shill. Anytime anyone posts supporting an agency they are immediately attacked and the assumption is made they are being paid. Well if you guys truly believe no one likes these agencies then I wonder how they are in business ... I’m just trying to have a civil discussion
2. I think the point oagre is making about Cupid’s appealing to out of towners is valid and important. I agree that for guys living in the city sticking to one agency or agencies as a whole is not the smartest. I have as I mentioned seen independents that I would rank higher than any agency girl (with the exception of one Cupid girl lol). You can take that argument to extremes with pornstars who do escorting ( my friend paid thousands for one hour which I’m sure it beats any regular escort ) or even sugar babes who would for pennies (relatively ) provide the same service. But my point here is that those things take time energy and planning. For someone just coming for a day needing a last minute flick they want something reliable . To me Cupid’s and some other agencies (not gonna mention more names as I feel each agency has their trolls so don’t want to invite them ) do offer that reliability and consistent standards. So you can’t say just cause out of towners use an agency it’s bad.
3. I think the argument with variable rates within an agency could work but there are down sides. I personally do not have a position on this but I will play devils advocate. I think every guy is into different things so someone who is a “VIP” for most might not be good for others. I found once when I used an agency that had that structure I was so hyped to see what this “VIP” was but I left with a bit of a disappointment , while the girl was good I was so excited because she was isolated to have a higher rate but to me she was like the others. I feel like after a certain point looks become subjective. While we can all agree that some are just simply not attractive physically when it comes to girls that are attractive is very subjective who thinks whose better. The VIP rate to me therefore should be a reflection of the service and in theory an agency should have that standardized. We all know that’s not true hence why I thought these forums existed.
4. I think in regular business clients are always number 1 but in this sort of business I feel that you can argue having the girls as the number one priority is just as valid. Happy girls would result in better service eventually. If the girls feel like they should be getting more then that in it self is an argument for price increase. Just focusing on what the guys want is a slippery road the end result of which is worst service. I address this to oagre, you seem to like Julianna and Farrah if they felt like they should be getting more money do you blame them? If you think they don’t deserve it well lots of other guys do I can guarantee you that.
5. I think we need to realize that majority of customers don’t actually use terb and I’m not just talking about out of towners. To those guys presentation of the girls is key. And hence why there is so much focus on making the girls look their best on photo shoots , having a good website , friendly admin staff, SEO optimization etc. Those things factor in to the business and eventually the price as well. This is an expensive hobby and it does appeal to a certain clientele a lot of whome are not on here or Twitter. Just like any other luxury item or service you can’t always breakdown the price.
I also like to address all the personal attacks on me. I notice some people say they heard from their “guys “ on how they don’t like these changes etc. That to me is interesting since I did get a PM from another agency saying they heard from some “guys” that know Cupid’s how I’m just a shill or Jillian lol well I encourage these “guys” to go and talk to the agency you spoke to since they now know I was a valid customer of theirs and ironically enough they offered a credit (which I haven’t used ); I was never given such credits with Cupid’s even after I complained once privately about something.
Some people don’t like my reviews and I never claimed to be a good reviewer. In fact I don’t think they are reviews. I have a different approach and my goal was mainly to help people decide which girl to pick. I don’t like describing every detail on the intimacy or giving grades from 1-10. Also I am different than most I go into a session not expecting any intimacy but rather companionship and only would do that if there is connection , which most cases there is as I am also same age as most the girls. I don’t think people actually have disagreed with what I have described in fact many have stated and PMed that what I am saying is accurate.
There are those that also claim why does this guy have this much money to see girls and also the time to come write these essays lol. Well my job and how I like to spend my time isn’t anyone’s business here.
I met and had lunch with Jillian a few years ago. Like 10+ lol. She was good company with me but I can see how she might not get along with everybody. Having said that, there is no arguing with her success in this difficult industry.
I think the principle she is practicing is simply a form of yield management. And "firing" lower paying clients to make room for higher paying clients.
5 clients @ $350 = $1750
6 clients @ $ 300 = $1,800
Less expenses for one less client, less stress on the girls, booker, driver, and clients.
I'm sure she knows her numbers.
I think most guys here are just pissed that the prices are going up, simple as that.
I think the principle she is practicing is simply a form of yield management. And "firing" lower paying clients to make room for higher paying clients.
5 clients @ $350 = $1750
6 clients @ $ 300 = $1,800
Less expenses for one less client, less stress on the girls, booker, driver, and clients.
I'm sure she knows her numbers.
I think most guys here are just pissed that the prices are going up, simple as that.
Listen tons of guys write good reviews about Cupids and I don't call them shills. OTOH you spend HOURS boosting Cupids and that's ALL you do. That's my case. That's why half the rest of the board calls you a shill. I mean, how long did you spend writing this post?!
Did I say Cupids was bad? No. They have some good girls. They have a nice website. They have an efficient and courteous booking staff. We were discussing their price increase and we verged off into commenting on their clientele and their pricing framework. Doesn't mean the agency is awful. I certainly would not say that.
EVERY agency in Toronto uses tiered pricing except HPL and Cupids. So THEY all think it works fine. You don't like it? Then price Alice WorldWide at $250, instead of $500 and see what happens.
Nice try. If they were being sent out at $200 or something ludicrously low like that, I'd agree with you. I love the little Italian baker on the corner too. That doesn't mean I'm paying $50.00 a loaf.
I like a nice website too. But why can't I "break down the price". Is there something about a nice font that makes it impossible to argue pricing of the product on the website?
I have no idea if you use other agencies or not. You're always on a Cupids thread. I suspect you're a Cupids driver or something along those lines.
Thank you, your reply is mostly civil lol
I don’t disagree with some of the points you made in response especially with the tiered prices. I think my conclusion here is that you don’t agree with the price increase but don’t necessarily have anything against them with their current prices. If that’s the case then that is a valid argument and if you are representing the majority of guys then they fucked up but if there are a few like you but the rest in my position then overall things are better for the agency. Only time will tell which one was correct.
You attacked another person before me who was saying good things claiming they were getting credit yet people like squeezer who are just trolls positing negative with no experience don’t get attacked. That is why I pointed out the hypocrisy.
If you think I’m a shill well I can’t help you. majority of my experience is with one agency that’s why I post about them and I know people appreciate it , I get almost daily PMs ... I do spend a lot of time here more than I like to admit but again this is my hobby I like talking about it lol. The comment about being a driver actually made me LOL, people that know me know I’m a terrible driver not proud that I have crashed 3 cars (including a self driving one haha ) so I don’t drive , could have picked like photographer or something else would have been better.
I don’t disagree with some of the points you made in response especially with the tiered prices. I think my conclusion here is that you don’t agree with the price increase but don’t necessarily have anything against them with their current prices. If that’s the case then that is a valid argument and if you are representing the majority of guys then they fucked up but if there are a few like you but the rest in my position then overall things are better for the agency. Only time will tell which one was correct.
You attacked another person before me who was saying good things claiming they were getting credit yet people like squeezer who are just trolls positing negative with no experience don’t get attacked. That is why I pointed out the hypocrisy.
If you think I’m a shill well I can’t help you. majority of my experience is with one agency that’s why I post about them and I know people appreciate it , I get almost daily PMs ... I do spend a lot of time here more than I like to admit but again this is my hobby I like talking about it lol. The comment about being a driver actually made me LOL, people that know me know I’m a terrible driver not proud that I have crashed 3 cars (including a self driving one haha ) so I don’t drive , could have picked like photographer or something else would have been better.
This is a fair question.
A discreet agency tries to diffuse a situation. There is no need to go on twitter with your version of the facts and bash customers when a simple apology would suffice. This is more serious than the occasional escort that doesn't pass muster. This is so juvenile.
Newbies beware.
You are missing out on some fabulous ladies if you are not using agencies in Toronto and Montreal. I do agree with Sugarbabies. If you have the time to invest in filtering through the time wasters and gold diggers, the value and hotness factor supersedes most escort experiences.
He with many other's are complete douchebags. You have accounts like
@SimonWinters77- obviously a member here who reads, takes intel and then tries to play suckup to the ladies on twitter
@The6ixGentleman- a complete douche who plays the role of the perfect client, preaching to others. Yet, I've dm'd with some of the ladies who say they've been blocked by him/her because they don't kiss his/her ass. I believe it's an account run by an escort (s)
There are more but I can't be bothered to list them.
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