So, trumpet has given the Russian 4 more months to kill as much as possible but come June they must reach a deal to end the war... IF NOT!! Well, he will get mad i guess
The wars deadline
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The Russians were not even given a deadline over 3 years
by Biden and his NATO lackeys so they could kill as much as
possible. It isn't that bad for Trump to give them a few more
months.
by Biden and his NATO lackeys so they could kill as much as
possible. It isn't that bad for Trump to give them a few more
months.
So you think it ok.. Just because Biden didn't, trump is ok to give 4 months to kill. And really it doesn't matter anyways, dumbfuck dump will do nothing anyways
Trump has zero leverage over Putin. Literally nothing. So the Russians will continue their advances until either the Ukrainian state collapses or until such time as the Russians are ready to dictate the terms of surrender to Ukraine. It's really that simple
Look, I'm trying to take a non-partisan view of all this. I agree, Biden maybe should have tried to hold peace talks between the two sides a few years ago. I think on one level, they thought bleeding Russia from the inside made strategic sense. Or, they knew that Russia wouldn't agree to anything while they still thought they'd have a shot of knocking Ukraine out fairly quickly. But, the reality here is that it take two to negotiate. I honestly cannot see a scenario where Russia can reach a treaty that will save them face, or Ukraine that doesn't have them ceed territory. And, that doesn't even address reparations or what not.
Trump might have a bit more of an easier time now, because both sides are probably exhausted by the war. In total, there have been around 2 million casualties. That is a staggering number that includes civilians and soldiers. But, as I said, how can Putin cease hostilities AND not keep land it captured in the war? How can Zelenskyy give up that territory? And, sadly, we all know that Trump is not the greatest negotiator. He has no nuance. He has little tact. He seems to favour Russia, which means Ukraine could be potentially forced to take a shitty deal.
I wonder if Biden thought that by offloading all their second hand weapons america could fund restocking the army and keep Ukraine going enough to stall and drain Russia. If this was the real goal all along, not to win but to keep Putin using up his resources.
We will see if the war will carry on for another 3 years under Trump. Looks
to me killing could end this year. That will make Trump a better peacemaker
than Biden.
I don't see reaching a treaty to save face to be a concern of Putin. I have
a hunch he is taking the time to await the disintegration of Ukraine as well
as to sow division within NATO.
a hunch he is taking the time to await the disintegration of Ukraine as well
as to sow division within NATO.
Saber rattling.
Exactly what is Trump going to do if Putin does not comply? Nothing.
Exactly what is Trump going to do if Putin does not comply? Nothing.
You can't take anything trump says seriously anymore.
He'll forget by tomorrow.
You really think if they wanted to kill as much as possible they would have only killed less then 15K civvies and that Kiev would not look like Gaza?
He can't do anything. The Houthis did not comply and he just fucked off and claimed victory lol. Iran is not even remotely intimidated. : USA- Stop all enrichment or ELSE!! Iran - NO!
I didnt mean as much as possible in the sense of killing as many as he could, just that he could kill for 4 more years
How many more get killed is really up to Ukraine. Russias goal are largely the same, but I would say the territorial ambitions have grown due Ukraines strikes deep in Russia and on the Black Sea.
You mean Ukrainian territorial goals?
Is Russia much different than Israel?
Ukraine has shown many videos of Drone assembly workshops in apt buildings. Hamas does not have access to such things as long range drones. Ukraine - 15K dead civvies Gaza 150-180K. Ukraine - ICJ - no genocide Gaza - Genocide plausible awaiting ruling
Actually Trump specializes in the art of the fucked up deal. A terrible negotiator. Where TACO DON backs down or everybody gets sued , where neither side wins, where 1 side wins or the deal gets postponed endlessly. Possibly the worst deal maker in history. TRUMP is a TOTAL FAILURE .
I'm trying to figure out what you mean here.
Are you under the impression there were no peace negotiations under Biden?
On one hand, I think this certainly plays a part in the equation. I mean, Biden supports Ukraine, gives them the tools and other support to defend themselves, with no US troops being at risk. The benefit is it hurts Putin in several ways.
- The Russian military gets a bloody nose, losing thousands of vehicles, artillery pieces, jets, helicopters and ships.
- It hurts the Russian economy through sanctions and the staggering cost of waging war.
- It will likely check future military engagements by Putin in other areas.
- It hurts Putin's image and reputation as leader at home. This sort of reminds me (though I was young when it happened) of the Soviet misadventure in Afghanistan.
- Finally, it exposes Russia's military ability. Anyone who was concerned about them taking on Europe or invade Canada should be able to sleep a lot better knowing they couldn't even invade a country literally on their border due to supply issues.
How this will all shake out once Trump's "deadline" comes...who knows. I mean, the ceasefire in Gaza isn't exactly humming along seamlessly....
