The Ukrainian offensive starts

[WyattEarp]

More counts don't "make for a stronger case". Normally prosecutors charge all the counts that could conceivably fit the evidence. That way, no matter how the evidence unfolds in a trial, the appropriate charges are before the court.

Make sense now?

All lawyers do this. For instance, the standard statement of claim for an auto accident case will extensively list all the ways that the driver can be at fault in an accident - so no matter how the evidence unfolds in a trial, the appropriate claims are before the court.

It's just being professionally competent and thorough.

Maybe if you don't understand a topic, you shouldn't try and argue it out with people who do.

I've actually been trying to follow this case. Charge stacking which I am discussing is a thing. It's not something I cooked up. Countless law journals including the Harvard Law Review discuss the issue in a negative light.

The 37 counts has 31 counts of willful retention of national defense information. Thirty-one counts don't add a whole lot beyond the first count and it is just noise in the overall case against Trump. Per the Harvard Law Review: "Charge stacking is not new, and it can happen to anyone — no one is safe from the risk that government can “divide crime and multiply punishment.” Further from the HLR: "It can happen to any defendant, regardless of social class or era...........In the modern era, celebrity chef and businesswoman Martha Stewart’s five-count indictment for a “tenuous” case of lying about insider trading has led some academics to call for a limiting “law of counts” more broadly."

Perhaps you are arguing this from a different angle. I have no problem with all the charges in themselves. I find the six other charges more compelling than 31 counts of willful retention of national defense information.

Americans can hold two opposing thoughts that what Trump did was a crime under the law and the DOJ/Special Counsel might not be making unbiased decisions in this case. The prosecutors don't have to be politically biased. They can simply be pissed off at Trump's defiance and his antics.

 

[NotADcotor]

Fuck ukraine. Burn in hell forever bastards

Isn't there a rule against having 2 accounts? In another thread he is even using the ROTFLMOA of his JCpro account.

Of course if anyone reports this, it will only result in the entire thread being shut down again.

 

[SchlongConery]

Fuck ukraine. Burn in hell forever bastards

Except they are superior humans, soldiers and society. The world thinks and feels this so much that they are backing everything Ukraine.

As such, they will prevail against the worst, stupidest and most evil country in the world today.

And Russia, as they do every fifty years or so... will fail.

Again.

And they will still say their latest failure was a planned ploy and at the same time cry like whiny Karens that everyone hates them and are jealous etc.

This is how stupid they are. They steal toilets with no where to connect them to. Nor could they even keep their citizens supplied with toilet paper. For decades. Toilet paper! Fucking incompetent thieving mutts with more oil and gas than ANYONE in the world... and they can't even provide their people with toilet paper! Toilet paper!

 

[WyattEarp]

There had been a lot of talk about Ukraine pushing back and re-taking Crimea while others expected a longer military struggle once the Russians were dug in and defending. We’ll see but I expect this will be a longer struggle with increasing pressure on the Ukrainians from the West to negotiate a settlement.

In my opinion, you summed it up. I've seen a lot of arguments on social media over this.

The war can't go on for several years. You also have to envision how the peace will look.

 

[WyattEarp]

Why don't you quit obsessively insulting Frankie and then strutting around feeling proud of yourself?

It's not as cute or as clever as you seem to think.

I think everyone has noticed that you have become sort of a patron for Frank over time. It doesn't make you very objective.

You might notice when people go at you I generally stand back. I always feel that on social media that we are individual actors making our points on our own. I don't have anyone's back and I don't ask for anyone to have my back.

 

[NotADcotor]

Except they are superior humans, soldiers and society. The world thinks and feels this so much that they are backing everything Ukraine.

As such, they will prevail against the worst, stupidest and most evil country in the world today.

They do have numbers, which is why they need our help to survive. Help which it is obvious we should be giving except to the Neville Chamberlains and the Quislings of the world and other "useful idiots"

Useful idiot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Leimonis]

Except they are superior humans, soldiers and society. The world thinks and feels this so much that they are backing everything Ukraine.

As such, they will prevail against the worst, stupidest and most evil country in the world today.

And Russia, as they do every fifty years or so... will fail.

Again.

And they will still say their latest failure was a planned ploy and at the same time cry like whiny Karens that everyone hates them and are jealous etc.

This is how stupid they are. They steal toilets with no where to connect them to. Nor could they even keep their citizens supplied with toilet paper. For decades. Toilet paper! Fucking incompetent thieving mutts with more oil and gas than ANYONE in the world... and they can't even provide their people with toilet paper! Toilet paper!

Who needs toilet paper when you have Pravda newspaper!

 

[mandrill]

I've actually been trying to follow this case. Charge stacking which I am discussing is a thing. It's not something I cooked up. Countless law journals including the Harvard Law Review discuss the issue in a negative light.

The 37 counts has 31 counts of willful retention of national defense information. Thirty-one counts don't add a whole lot beyond the first count and it is just noise in the overall case against Trump. Per the Harvard Law Review: "Charge stacking is not new, and it can happen to anyone — no one is safe from the risk that government can “divide crime and multiply punishment.” Further from the HLR: "It can happen to any defendant, regardless of social class or era...........In the modern era, celebrity chef and businesswoman Martha Stewart’s five-count indictment for a “tenuous” case of lying about insider trading has led some academics to call for a limiting “law of counts” more broadly."

Perhaps you are arguing this from a different angle. I have no problem with all the charges in themselves. I find the six other charges more compelling than 31 counts of willful retention of national defense information.

Americans can hold two opposing thoughts that what Trump did was a crime under the law and the DOJ/Special Counsel might not be making unbiased decisions in this case. The prosecutors don't have to be politically biased. They can simply be pissed off at Trump's defiance and his antics.

Ok, you've been told what's happening here. No need for me to repeat myself because "you've read something in the Harvard Law Review".

 

[mandrill]

I think everyone has noticed that you have become sort of a patron for Frank over time. It doesn't make you very objective.

You might notice when people go at you I generally stand back. I always feel that on social media that we are individual actors making our points on our own. I don't have anyone's back and I don't ask for anyone to have my back.

I'm just commenting that your continual need to harass and disparage another poster that you've singled out and do this obsessively over a period of many months makes you look like a creep.

Just my opinion, Earp.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1670208949021278208

 

[SchlongConery]

The war can't go on for several years.

Why not if the Ukrainians don't want to live under the rule of such savage people and repressive government?

Americans live by the motto; "Live free or die". In fact, New Hampshire is well known for their state's motto.

Massachusetts' Latin motto translates into “By the sword we seek peace, but peace only under liberty”

What makes Ukrainian people any different? Are they as cowardly and subservient as Russians or those like you who aren't willing to even verbally or morally support the most basic instinct for sentient animals being that of freedom?

You also have to envision how the peace will look.

It will look peaceful once Russia completes its actions to neuter itself so that they no longer remain a threat to global stability.

 

[SchlongConery]

Who needs toilet paper when you have Pravda newspaper!

Are the families of returning Russian soldiers now using their stolen iPads for this now?

 

[Frankfooter]

I think everyone has noticed that you have become sort of a patron for Frank over time. It doesn't make you very objective.

You might notice when people go at you I generally stand back. I always feel that on social media that we are individual actors making our points on our own. I don't have anyone's back and I don't ask for anyone to have my back.

The backhanded attacks are tiresome, wyatt.
Say it to me directly.

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1670208949021278208

The counteroffensive has started but it looks like Ukraine is still moving slowly and prepping for the main attacks. Taking out ammunition depots, rail and supply lines and testing the front lines. There is talk of Russian soldiers now running short on some supplies, including basics like water.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1670606846665584643

 

[Insidious Von]

Isn't there a rule against having 2 accounts? In another thread he is even using the ROTFLMOA of his JCpro account.

I don't think so, jc is somewhat more elevated in his retorts, Resetset just wants attention, he thinks he can get it being a dumbass.

...he needs crunchy frogs in his diet.

 

[NotADcotor]

The backhanded attacks are tiresome, wyatt.
Say it to me directly.

Can't go wrong with the classics.

And before you take it personally, I fart in every general direction, I can be gassy at times.

 

[Anbarandy]

I don't think so, jc is somewhat more elevated in his retorts, Resetset just wants attention, he thinks he can get it being a dumbass.

...he needs crunchy frogs in his diet.

Yesh, 'jc' has elevated the usage of ROTFLMAO's to new heights.

 

[Valcazar]

I've actually been trying to follow this case. Charge stacking which I am discussing is a thing. It's not something I cooked up. Countless law journals including the Harvard Law Review discuss the issue in a negative light.

The 37 counts has 31 counts of willful retention of national defense information. Thirty-one counts don't add a whole lot beyond the first count and it is just noise in the overall case against Trump. Per the Harvard Law Review: "Charge stacking is not new, and it can happen to anyone — no one is safe from the risk that government can “divide crime and multiply punishment.” Further from the HLR: "It can happen to any defendant, regardless of social class or era...........In the modern era, celebrity chef and businesswoman Martha Stewart’s five-count indictment for a “tenuous” case of lying about insider trading has led some academics to call for a limiting “law of counts” more broadly."

I think the charge stacking in this sort if situation is tricky, though.
Each held document is a chargeable offense.
It makes sense to charge each one separately here, because willfulness is part of the component of the crimes. So if the jury finds that some documents were handled differently than others by Trump or so on, then you need to charge a fair amount of them because otherwise the whole thing pivots on one particular document.

At the same time, if I recall correctly, these things can be served consecutively in the Federal system and I don't approve of stacking the sentence just because of the number of documents he did here when it was likely of a piece in terms "These are all mine".

Could this be settled with one charge but all the documents and some kind of jury instruction that "if any of the documents fall under this, it still counts"? Maybe?
I don't know the details on how that's considered to work.

Perhaps you are arguing this from a different angle. I have no problem with all the charges in themselves. I find the six other charges more compelling than 31 counts of willful retention of national defense information.

Is that because you don't think he willfully retained national defense information or is it just that you feel all 31 of those are basically parts of a single charge/crime?

 

[Valcazar]

In my opinion, you summed it up. I've seen a lot of arguments on social media over this.

The war can't go on for several years. You also have to envision how the peace will look.

This is something I think people aren't considering.
There was a stable, if ugly, conflict in the post 2014 situation.
Russia escalating means there isn't any reasonable way to go back to that same equilibrium.

 

[basketcase]

You think the people in that picture ever served in combat for their country? They're serving as props for the biden administration nothing else.

But you're sure doing a good job protecting that bag of cheetos.