The TTC

[WinterHawk]

It just takes politicans with a little bit of balls and foresight to get the job done. Say what yo want about Mel Lastman, but he was the best thing to happen to Toronto in a generation. Stop the studies, build them. As for the current plans to add Streetcars to some major street, they are fucking nuts, no space and traffic already crawls to a stand still now.

 

[Ironhead]

8 things that would improve the TTC:

1. Scrap the Transit City plan of light rail and street cars
2. Extend the Sheppard Subway to Markham Road
3. Build a Finch West and Finch East Subway Line
4. Make the subways automated (like they are in Vancouver)
5. Install devices in the tunnel so you can use your cellphone while on the subway
6. Re-open more washrooms and ensure they are actually cleaned
7. Install security cameras in each subway car
8. Create zones which means depending on the zone that you travel to it can cost you more $$$ (ie travelling from Greenwood to Kipling as opposed to Eglinton West to Spadina)

1. I think the streetcar is a cheaper alternative to a subway. Streetcars would be good in certain areas. Along Kingston Rd in Scarborough all the way to 1 or 2 kms east of Morningside.

2. Agree. Also extend Danforth Line and hook up with Sheppard Line.

3. No. Cost way too much and as someone else said 'it makes no sense to have two lines in the same direction so close together'. Extend Sheppard Line west, have it hook up with the Spadina Line and extend that out to the airport.

4. No I like the idea of a human in charge of the subway, also there are two TTC employees for every car in-case an emergency exit is necessary.

5. No. I agree with the 'there are annoying idiots on cells are everywhere as it is' comments.

6. Agree. Could also put cameras in washrooms in such away as the sinks/general areas are the only part visible to camera.

7. Agree. With at least one security officer per train.

8. No. See reasons stated from other members. Unfair to low income Torontonians.

1. Extend the Bloor subway Line to Sherway Gardens.
2. Build a Queen Street subway Line from Sherway to Victoria Park
3. Build an Eglinton subway line from the airport to Victoria Park
4. Extend Sheppard subway to Victoria Park
5. Utilize the CPR corridor that runs from Jane Street to Leaside for an At-grade subway from Jane to Leaside
6. Build a Jane Street LRT from Bloor to Steeles
7. Build a Victoris Park LRT from Queen to Sheppard
8. Build a Bathurst LRT from the Lake to Sheppard
9. Extend the St. Claire LRT to Jane (Walmart - why they ever stopped it at Gunns Road is mystery to me)

And then we get into GO Transit

First this suggestion has way too many subways going here, there and everywhere. I will say that someone should have had the foresight to build more subway tunnels decades ago when it was cheaper.

I would like to see the Bloor-Danforth Line extended at each end.

Using old rail lines sounds like a good idea. It should at least be explored in my opinion.

 

[james t kirk]

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First this suggestion has way too many subways going here, there and everywhere. I will say that someone should have had the foresight to build more subway tunnels decades ago when it was cheaper.

I would like to see the Bloor-Danforth Line extended at each end.

Using old rail lines sounds like a good idea. It should at least be explored in my opinion.

1. Just cause it was cheaper "way back when" doesn't mean it was any less expensive way back when. If you adjust for inflation, you'd probably find it's cheaper to dig the tunnels today due to Tunnel Boring Machines. (When Toronto first built the subways, it was cut and cover.)

2. The cost of building subways is not in the tunnels. The tunneling costs fuck all (maybe 10% of the cost or less.) The cost is the stations, followed by the infrastructure.

3. You can't use "old rail lines" because the gauge is different. You can use existing rail corridors, however, those corridors are owned by CPR and CNR (to a lesser extent). Good lucking getting CPR to sell out. Their main line from Montreal to Windsor runs right through Toronto - from Leaside Yard to Toronto West Junction - the North Toronto Subdivision (it runs just north of Dupont, crosses Yonge Street at the old CPR Station (now the LCBO store at Summerhill) Also, it has been studied to death. The conclusions are the same - CPR would want too much money. But it is the perfect idea. There is an old CPR track that runs from Union Station to Leaside - the Belleville Sub. It was recently bought by GO Transit. There is also the CN Bala sub from Union station to Sudbury. GO owns the part from Union Statation inside the City.

4. My subway suggestions have all been studied before.

 

[EntertainmentMan2000]

1. I think the streetcar is a cheaper alternative to a subway. Streetcars would be good in certain areas. Along Kingston Rd in Scarborough all the way to 1 or 2 kms east of Morningside.

2. Agree. Also extend Danforth Line and hook up with Sheppard Line.

3. No. Cost way too much and as someone else said 'it makes no sense to have two lines in the same direction so close together'. Extend Sheppard Line west, have it hook up with the Spadina Line and extend that out to the airport.

4. No I like the idea of a human in charge of the subway, also there are two TTC employees for every car in-case an emergency exit is necessary.

5. No. I agree with the 'there are annoying idiots on cells are everywhere as it is' comments.

6. Agree. Could also put cameras in washrooms in such away as the sinks/general areas are the only part visible to camera.

7. Agree. With at least one security officer per train.

8. No. See reasons stated from other members. Unfair to low income Torontonians.








First this suggestion has way too many subways going here, there and everywhere. I will say that someone should have had the foresight to build more subway tunnels decades ago when it was cheaper.

I would like to see the Bloor-Danforth Line extended at each end.

Using old rail lines sounds like a good idea. It should at least be explored in my opinion.

you make some good points as do others..ok I do agree that having 2 lines so close together would be too expensive and might not make the most sense, but I think that there should at least be a Sheppard Subway extension and a maybe even build a Victoria Park Subway line...as to James T Kirk's comment above about the cost of the subway mostly going to the station and the infrastructre...haven't they done a study to find out an alternative to maybe build a "no frills" type station to make it more affordable??