The "soccer players collapsing" thread
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I've been watching professional soccer for the last 20 years and I don't remember this many in one year.
They have happened before though.
Marc Vivian Foe and Ruben DeLa Red come to mind
Someone needs to actually do a count.
Because otherwise there is a strong chance of bias just caused by our tendency to find patterns or notice something after it was pointed out.
Something may well be happening, but a bunch of random video clips doesn't actually prove that.
Because otherwise there is a strong chance of bias just caused by our tendency to find patterns or notice something after it was pointed out.
Something may well be happening, but a bunch of random video clips doesn't actually prove that.
And another one last Monday
www.theguardian.com
Wigan’s Charlie Wyke stable in hospital after collapsing during training
The Wigan Athletic forward Charlie Wyke is being treated in hospital after collapsing during training earlier this week
www.theguardian.com
Wiki has a list of football players who have died while playing. It does not include players who've collapsed but lived:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), about 2,000 young, seemingly healthy people under age 25 in the United States die each year of sudden cardiac arrest even before covid.
Even this article from 2012 is trying to figure out why healthy people under 18 have undetermined sudden deaths.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e-unexpectedly/2012/07/30/gJQApjNxKX_story.ht
There are many documented cases of athletes over and under 18 collapsing before 2019.
I would imsgine that there is a current study underway comparing these cases with pre vaccine cases.
As many are prone to point out, data takes time to compile and analyse so don't hold your breath for anything pending.
I remember long ago, before the internet, during high school, there were 2 sudden deaths of students during sports at my school, one during a basketball game from a cardiac arrest and the other due to some kind of brain embolism during a volleyball game.
There was also a heart attack in a football player from another school but I am pretty sure he survived.
Seems sudden death in young people is rare but not unprecedented.
"Perhaps 1 in every 50,000 sudden cardiac deaths a year occurs in young athletes"
This article was written Jan 2019.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...iac-arrest/in-depth/sudden-death/art-20047571
Even this article from 2012 is trying to figure out why healthy people under 18 have undetermined sudden deaths.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e-unexpectedly/2012/07/30/gJQApjNxKX_story.ht
There are many documented cases of athletes over and under 18 collapsing before 2019.
I would imsgine that there is a current study underway comparing these cases with pre vaccine cases.
As many are prone to point out, data takes time to compile and analyse so don't hold your breath for anything pending.
I remember long ago, before the internet, during high school, there were 2 sudden deaths of students during sports at my school, one during a basketball game from a cardiac arrest and the other due to some kind of brain embolism during a volleyball game.
There was also a heart attack in a football player from another school but I am pretty sure he survived.
Seems sudden death in young people is rare but not unprecedented.
"Perhaps 1 in every 50,000 sudden cardiac deaths a year occurs in young athletes"
This article was written Jan 2019.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...iac-arrest/in-depth/sudden-death/art-20047571
Exactly, there was an increase in the number of truck accidents in the past year, not sure if its due to Covid, the vaccines, or just a fluke year.
I know the two aren't related but if you want, you could spin that the number of deliveries are up meaning more miles traveled by trucks making more chances for accidents to happen.
Common enough that FIFA has a program dedicated to it since 2018.
They even have a registry covering 2014-2018
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The question now is who is looking at the numbers at that kind of wide level over 2020/2021.
They even have a registry covering 2014-2018
FIFA Sudden Death Registry (FIFA-SDR): a prospective, observational study of sudden death in worldwide football from 2014 to 2018 - PubMed
Regional variation in SCD aetiology should be verified by expansion of national registries and uniform autopsy protocols. Immediate access to an AED at training and competition sites, as well as CPR training for players, coaches and staff members, is needed to improve survival from SCA.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
So that looks like ~125 deaths a year from football (FIFA-related) in a portion of the FIFA countries.
The question now is who is looking at the numbers at that kind of wide level over 2020/2021.
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Not NBA, but there was a college player recently: https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...florida-feels-blessed-to-be-alive/6772064002/
Also, NBA player sample size is tiny compared to all the professional soccer players around the world throughout the different leagues
Missed this one last sunday: https://theathletic.com/news/wigans...fter-collapsing-during-training/AMOBzFGbFaCl/
And there was another one in Norway 3 weeks ago: https://sports.ndtv.com/football/fo...om-heart-attack-during-game-in-norway-2597523
And there was another one in Norway 3 weeks ago: https://sports.ndtv.com/football/fo...om-heart-attack-during-game-in-norway-2597523
So add them up and see if you are close to 125. If you are, it has been about an average year.
(Obviously, that would be a very crude measure since all the collapses probably don't make the news.)
Which sport exactly are you basing that 125 number on??
Soccer leagues, or many other athletes combined??
Soccer.
The FIFA official registry I linked to above.
Did you just not notice post #9 at all?
Basketball is an international sport. Lots of leagues in Europe, S. America, Australia and probably Asia.
Soccer is obviously bigger, but don't downplay the amount of participation for basketball.
It’s like in baseball, many announcers over the years have mentioned how frequently a player makes a great play on defence, and then comes up to bat leading off the next half inning. “ Boy,” the announcer would say, “ doesn’t that seem to happen all the time?” Well, no. It happens about 1 in 9 times, but when it doesn’t happen nobody remarks on it, only when it does happen, therefore it seems to happen more frequently.
I know it's not a YouTube blowhard, but johns Hopkins has info about the heart problems documented by those who got covid:
www.hopkinsmedicine.org
Heart Problems after COVID-19
Chest pain, shortness of breath and palpitations can persist after COVID-19. Are they heart related? A cardiologist provides perspective.
Football players today are overly fit, and they have to deal with a grueling schedule with almost no rest. Club owners can no longer turn a profit due to skyrocketing wage demands. So they lobby FIFA and UEFA for as many fixtures as they can. Vulture Capitalist Paul Elliott has yet to find a buyer for AC Milan.
Rivaldo nearly died during the 2002 World Cup!
Rivaldo nearly died during the 2002 World Cup!
Basketball players run an average of 2 miles per game, soccer players run an average of 9.5 miles per game.
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