The question of "connection."

staggerspool

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I started writing this as a reply to Andy of Mirage, he was commenting on a thread about Summer (whom I've never met). He suggested that it wasn't really likely for an "old fart" to connect with a young SP. As this is a substantial tangent from that discussion I decided to start a new thread.

As a mid 50s "old fart," I haven't found a problem connecting with young SPs. I'm sure I'm not the greatest sexual performer they have ever encountered, and probably not even on their radar in that sense, so that isn't the kind of "connection" I am talking about. What I find is that if I choose carefully and just be myself, I am able to make my temporary companion comfortable enough to be themselves with me. I always choose companions who are billed as intelligent and as having broad areas of interest, and generally keep to one or two agencies where I have grown to trust the hiring choices. I don't always feel a connection, but I always feel that my companion knows I have respect for them. I DO respect people, and if I am clear that an SP doesn't feel that from me I ask them to leave, full payment in hand. From that fundamental basis of respect, in the best cases it usually takes all of 10 minutes for them to get that I am NOT there to make them into my version of the perfect sex toy - I am actually interested in who they are, what interests them in life, and what makes them comfortable. In fact, I find that the thrill for me is in making that contact. If that wasn't happening regularly, I wouldn't enjoy the hobby nearly as much.

The SPs that I enjoy are in the business for money, for sure, that is given. But they are also here to explore - themselves, men, sex outside of the normal social definitions, and broader questions of life in the contemporary world. That approach to life can be found among bright young people. I have found a goodly number of SPs have enjoyed what I have to offer them, and feel good leaving my place - they feel admired, validated as individuals who have made unconventional choices, and respected for who they actually are.

One line of interpretation of this approach is sure to involve the assertion that I am deluded in my sense that I am connecting at all. This line will suggest that the girls are just talented actors and good at working out what I want as a client. All I can say is that the feeling I have with them is exactly like the one I have with young friends outside the hobby. I work with young people in civilian life, and I have always found that there was a cut of the youth population, both male and female, who were explorers who are attracted to me simply because I am actually interested, and enjoy helping them find and explore alternative approaches to thinking about life. I've given lots of books to these friends, and also to a few of the SPs that I have been privileged to see repeatedly.

I had a conversation with a great favorite of mine last week, she told me that she needs to take a break from all the mind games she gets trapped in with clients. There isn't any sense of physical threat from these guys, more a sense that they come from a place where they need to assert a more subtle domination to feel the thrill ... in a word, they don't have basic respect. Two words.

No doubt that drive to be "the man" is central to a lot of hobbyists. I am sure that most of the money to be made is in providing an environment where people who are not "the man" can pretend that they are. That is the side of things I don't enjoy and don't want to be involved with.

I'm also not into making detailed reviews... I make periodic comments on other reviews where I feel another perspective is useful. I do look at reviews, but actually find that the blow by blow stuff isn't interesting to me. All of that depends on the chemistry between the hobbyist and the SP. I bring my own chemistry to the situation and I don't think it is what a lot of other hobbyists offer. I actually find the broader discussions on the hobby and other topics to be more interesting. So for a lot of you, I am of no use at all.

I'm in the hobby to explore my sexuality, but that just isn't fun for me in isolation from a broader sense of humanity. It is a therapy for me to be in the presence of a beautiful young woman, and it wouldn't be that way without her participation, within the limits of an hour or two of engagement. She really doesn't have to DO any particular thing, she simply has to BE FULLY HERE with me. If I can make the situation an invitation to that, I have done what I can. If she recognizes this possibility, takes up my invitation, and gives herself to the situation, I am thrilled! Mission accomplished!
 

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Any SP whether young or old should be honoured to have you as a client.
As for Andy of Mirage, tell him he is in the wrong business if he is turning away "old farts"!!!
I am a "old fart" to and the young kids seem to be thrilled with us, we are experienced, and that goes a long long way.
You enjoy who you want, all the best!!!

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Excellent insight, staggerspool. Couldn't have said it better myself.
 

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As another mid-50s guy, I have had many ladies tell me that they prefer older guys. They might just be saying this of course, but I believe them. I suspect that many of us are looking for something other than just giving a young girl a "pounding" which seems to be the wish of SOME younger guys.

Having said that, I do have trouble connecting with an 18 or 19 year old. To me, that is now too young for me. Mid 20's is better for me... Even a little older, and some of my most amazing experiences have been with the 30+ ladies.... still a youngster to me.

I used to abide my Mick Jagger's rule of never "dating" anyone younger than my daughter. (I believe this was a concession to his daughter!), but I am finding that more and more difficult as I get older. I think I'm going to need to revise that policy.
 

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As another old fart who has been hobbying for years, I don't see age as a barrier to connection.

In fact, some of these young ladies appreciate the obvious pure joy we get out of having a girl sit on our faces, or the delight as they suck us to a CIM. These are rare treats that we can't really get in civilian life and most of us profusely express our appreciation to these willing ladies.

So good manners and a chocolate box of sexual treats can lead to good connections.
 

staggerspool

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As for Andy of Mirage, tell him he is in the wrong business if he is turning away "old farts"!!!
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To be fair to Andy (whose posts, as I remember them, seem fine to me generally), I should mention that he wasn't suggesting that it wasn't a good idea, he just thought that he, as an old fart himself, would have trouble really connecting with a 19 year old. I feel the same way about the bulk of 19 year olds, but it also applies to the bulk of humanity. Most of them I can do without connecting with. In the case of the SPs I am talking about, they are not your typical young women, often they are quite remarkable. He suggested in that thread, I think, that Summer had a clientelle which weren't so interested in connection anyway, just wanted a young lady to bang, and there are plenty of young ladies happy to do that I'm sure.
Otherwise, thanks for understanding my perspective!
 

staggerspool

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Having said that, I do have trouble connecting with an 18 or 19 year old. To me, that is now too young for me. Mid 20's is better for me... Even a little older, and some of my most amazing experiences have been with the 30+ ladies.... still a youngster to me.
I understand this - part of why I have these sort of connections with university age SPs is that they are the people I spend my working life with, I am familiar with how they think at least to some extent, and aware of issues that are important to them. There is a change that happens in the transition from university life to work life, perhaps that is the line they need to cross for you. And I am certain that there is something a little experience can bring on their side too... Thanks for your thoughts.
 

staggerspool

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As another old fart who has been hobbying for years, I don't see age as a barrier to connection.

In fact, some of these young ladies appreciate the obvious pure joy we get out of having a girl sit on our faces, or the delight as they suck us to a CIM. These are rare treats that we can't really get in civilian life and most of us profusely express our appreciation to these willing ladies.

So good manners and a chocolate box of sexual treats can lead to good connections.

Yes, I delight in their delight in my delight. The best sessions are the ones where they really do get how much I appreciate them, mind and body.
 

CallistaXXX

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What is that old saying? Not sure if it's about men, but it should be:)
Ah-he-he-hem...


Men are like wine, they just get better with age...

Hmm... Or do they just get richer? lol Either way, I love them all tipped on their sides with the cork hanging out so that I can lay back and sip them one bottle at a time! ;)

Cheers gentlemen!
To experience, great expectations and the rules of engagement.
 

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I am NOT there to make them into my version of the perfect sex toy - I am actually interested in who they are, what interests them in life, and what makes them comfortable. In fact, I find that the thrill for me is in making that contact. If that wasn't happening regularly, I wouldn't enjoy the hobby nearly as much.
Ditto. I think a lot of people feel this way, both clients and escorts alike. It's important to take the time and choose carefully, to find the type of escort you're looking for and connect well with. I think a lot of ladies, myself included, try to help clients choose well with the copy on their websites and ads. Many try to give a sense of their personality along with the obligatory sassy photos. Reviews are a strange thing to me. It's easy to review a restaurant on Yelp, but harder to review a person, or an intimate act. I feel like reviews should be used to confirm that photos are accurate, and the information on the escort's website or ad is correct. Even if the person has several great reviews, chemistry isn't a sure thing.
 

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OP: it is noble of you to treat SP as you said, making a connection. For me though, i have to say as an old guy, I am drawn to young and good looking girls for i love the youthful look (gotta verify here young, not TOO young).

I would come to any session ready to treat her like another human being, with all the weaknesses and shortcomings, and expected to be treaed the same way. Any SP/agency that show respect for me as: not purposefully deceiving me, not giving attitude when un-called for... will have my loyalty. I do not EXPECT to feel a personal connection AT ALL. In fact, i would avoid personal attachment by not repeating with the same good one too many times.

In the years i hobbied, i met many decent ladies, like some of them, ... Just a roll in the hay, if the connection is there it becomes more enjoyable and believable, not a requirement for me.
 
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I think I have a crush on OP...

As for connection what I'd like to say is that it's not a magical spark that either happens or not. Connection is discovering what you share with another person, what stirs both of you up, it's that magical overlap of who you both are as individuals. Connection is not something that falls on your head once you meet another person, it is something you both take care to discover about one another. Be it mental or physical connection, I believe we both are responsible for creating it. Or as I like to say, it takes two to tango.
 

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Thanks to the op for his post.

As a not so old fart (but rapidly approaching!) the types of encounter are what I seek most. I value this kind of interaction well over "menu" - that is not to say that I don't like to sometimes expand my sexual horizons a bit, but moreso I really enjoy a time with a girl who is able to relate to me, be relaxed and open, and have real fun including some laughs. That relaxed feeling makes he sex part low pressure and really enjoyable. and 23 or 43, ive been able to enjoy it across the age range of providers.

My measure of my SP experiences is not how many acronyms I tick off, nor how many holes (tho i like them all!)I penetrate. It is if I really leave with a smile on my face, having enjoyed the company as well as the acrobatics! Girls that can make me feel like this are the ones that I will see often.
 

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I guess I fit the category of old fart (50's)! I'm visiting Toronto 8/31-9/2. I'm doing "research" to find the best sp's for me that weekend. But I'm struggling with the stats/menu/fantasy which is kinda easy to evaluate and the experience--which is what you are describing in this tread! How do I research and evaluate who I can connect with--hard to do from a far. And my eyes sometimes go cross wise thinking about the fantasy side--blinded by the light I guess one can say.

I like to think I'm a warm, lovable guy who treats all people with respect! Looking for the same in a sp....
 

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I think I have a crush on OP...

As for connection what I'd like to say is that it's not a magical spark that either happens or not. Connection is discovering what you share with another person, what stirs both of you up, it's that magical overlap of who you both are as individuals. Connection is not something that falls on your head once you meet another person, it is something you both take care to discover about one another. Be it mental or physical connection, I believe we both are responsible for creating it. Or as I like to say, it takes two to tango.
I'm jealous :)

Miss Calla, I can't wait to discover more of you soon :wink:

B88
 

staggerspool

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Ditto. I think a lot of people feel this way, both clients and escorts alike. It's important to take the time and choose carefully, to find the type of escort you're looking for and connect well with. I think a lot of ladies, myself included, try to help clients choose well with the copy on their websites and ads. Many try to give a sense of their personality along with the obligatory sassy photos. Reviews are a strange thing to me. It's easy to review a restaurant on Yelp, but harder to review a person, or an intimate act. I feel like reviews should be used to confirm that photos are accurate, and the information on the escort's website or ad is correct. Even if the person has several great reviews, chemistry isn't a sure thing.
Website copy is very helpful to me, as are SOME reviews, and of course photos can make all the difference... Photos make the first cut for me, and I'm sure there are lots of fascinating and attractive SPs whom I would enjoy who wouldn't make that cut just because the photo isn't right for me. Second cut is often also the photo, some little detail that intrigues me... so there is this element of the whole thing which is very consumer oriented. I want appropriate bang for my buck, and I seem to want something like proof that I'm not barking up entirely the wrong tree. In this respect I'm like every other hobbyist. But probably 20% of the ads I see make these cuts, so that only narrows it down to probably 60 or 70 choices...

So in the copy I seek some sort of notion of the personality. Good writing, some sense of depth, an appropriate sense of humor (though that should probably be VERY subtle in most cases) all contribute to helping choices.

With reviews, for me it is in any mention of intelligence and broader interests in life.

I totally understand how reviews are strange to you. I've mentioned the general idea of reviews twice to favorite SPs, both responded with adorable wrinkled noses, like some sort of terrible smell had just manifested in the room. Both immediately spoke distastefully of the blow by blow descriptions of sex acts. One particularly mentioned that a review had contained considerable detail about her conversation with the client, including personal info that, while not identifying her, became an issue in subsequent sessions. The problem wasn't that the new client expected similar service (though I'm sure that happens a lot, but that's more about the details of sex acts), in this case it was that clients felt that they "knew"her, and that knowledge gave them some sort of "power" over her. "You don't know me, but I know you!" I know the wiff of that in my own life, that kind of insinuation that for some reason someone thinks they have some secret something on me... when that happens, I am pretty likely to give that person a side of my personality that the definitely don't know, like FUCK YOU ASSHOLE, GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY LIFE FOREVER!" Which in the context of a session, would probably lead to a little tension. So she's more subtle about it.

I think you are exactly right on about what reviews should be. The best stuff can't be conveyed in a review. There is always something unknown going into any encounter, that is where the juice is for me.

Thanks for responding!
 

staggerspool

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OP: it is noble of you to treat SP as you said, making a connection. For me though, i have to say as an old guy, I am drawn to young and good looking girls for i love the youthful look (gotta verify here young, not TOO young).

I would come to any session ready to treat her like another human being, with all the weaknesses and shortcomings, and expected to be treaed the same way. Any SP/agency that show respect for me as: not purposefully deceiving me, not giving attitude when un-called for... will have my loyalty. I do not EXPECT to feel a personal connection AT ALL. In fact, i would avoid personal attachment by not repeating with the same good one too many times.

In the years i hobbied, i met many decent ladies, like some of them, ... Just a roll in the hay, if the connection is there it becomes more enjoyable and believable, not a requirement for me.
We are totally agreed on the important point - respect all ways, always.

I get where you are on not expecting connection. I think of it as a gift. I also get where you are on not really WANTING too much connection. There can be down sides. Like falling in love.... Good to know yourself, have realistic goals in the hobby, and take it as far as you can (or want to). Age is helpful in this, if you have the native wisdom to have been paying attention to your inner self over that time.

The whole area of sexuality is fathoms deep and mysterious. Good to keep your head up.

Thanks!
 

staggerspool

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I think I have a crush on OP...

As for connection what I'd like to say is that it's not a magical spark that either happens or not. Connection is discovering what you share with another person, what stirs both of you up, it's that magical overlap of who you both are as individuals. Connection is not something that falls on your head once you meet another person, it is something you both take care to discover about one another. Be it mental or physical connection, I believe we both are responsible for creating it. Or as I like to say, it takes two to tango.
Every connection is unique, two complex entities finding how they fit together. I think something can sometimes SEEM to happen very quickly, like magic, but that comes from two people who have BOTH been paying attention to who they are over time, and have curiosity and sensitivity to other people. Does that make sense?

I have a good friend who has a magical touch with animals. On first meeting, my cat ran up to her purring like a lawnmower. Not his normal behavior. My friend had been building the relationship for years, through caring for other animals. My cat just instinctively knew this about her, and acted from it. Humans are more complex, but I try to notice that first instinctive sense I have of a person. I find that my greatest friends (like the person above) are often people whom I recognize, on some level, almost immediately. I also think I sometimes know pretty much on meeting when I am likely to suggest at some future date that a particular person should do a visual inspection of their colon...

I totally agree that the best stuff ages and matures as two people explore things. There can be an immediate sense that there is something to unfold in a connection. Unfolding it takes time, and is a delight. I am a music nut, and for me the best moments of listening are when I hear something new and feel that, though I don't get it right now, this piece of music will be playing frequently in my life, until the day I die. That is where the greatest pleasure is....

So: tango, eh? I am intrigued...

Thanks for your thoughts
 

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Connection is something that can be faked by a good SP. With a great SP, you'll never know.
 
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