The Most Difficult Thing About The Hobby...

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Amazon_woman said:
It is unfortunate, but "disappearing" is the best thing to do. Getting involved personally with someone you met in this business is a BIG mistake.

Diana
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Well, there are some instances where it has worked out.....but then again, most relationships don't so can you attribute it to the biz or to just human nature?

As I've said before: it is often very difficult to meet someone that you could become emotionally involved with. Why limit yourself by the rule "I won't date clients".......hell, you'd never have to worry about him finding out about your past cuz, he already knows your deepest darkest secret lol....
 

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The Most Difficult Thing About Hobbying

I have been a regular, at a incall, been with 3 other ladies there prior.The newbie, provides great service! I have ignored the others for her!
She knows I only see her when I go there!The sessions just get hotter and better each time I repeat with her. If I go back and see the others there I know she would be upset! I am getting gfe to to the max. I better not upset her cause she is so sweet!

Has this happen to anyone else? I would like your feed back!
 

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It's very interesting to read this posting.

The emotion of loneliness is something I find mildly surprising in terms of the SP side of the equation. I suppose I've always suspected that SPs, given what they are doing, have an excellent opportunity to meet interesting (potentially available) men. Now obviously there is an element of professionalism in an exchange of services, which limits finding a potential match, but I would think the opportunity is still there. Certainly this is dangerous emotional territory, but I suppose I'm surprised SPs don't find men who they would date if the way they had met had been outside of the hobby. And in the end, interest and desire would trump commerce.

Ah, it's a sad world... I think I'll go have an ice cream.


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Since meeting a client and end up dating that person, do you think he could be faithfull though as he is in the hobbying business. is that true
 

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Amazon_woman said:
I do agree with you here tboy. You'd think it would actually be easier to develop a meaningful, serious relationship with a person who was once a client. After all, you KNOW the sex is amazing, you've spent a good deal of time talking and getting to know each other, you find yourself really looking forward to seeing that person again, etc. etc. Plus, considering he was once a hobbyist as well, it's less likely that your past is going to come back to bite you in the ass later on.

However, let me ask you this. If you were to fall for an escort you saw regularly (and she for you), what would be your expectations of her once you both decided to pursue the relationship? Would you expect her to be able to leave this very lucrative business right away? Would the thought of her going off to see other men drive you crazy? Would you be able to handle it without going completely ballistic at times? I mean, you KNEW what she did when you met her, it was not a shock. That is HOW you met her after all.
Would you be able to stick by her while she made the transition to another career?

Yes, escorts do have the opportunity to meet many wonderful men in this business. However, the whole transition to relationship is not as easy as you make it sound.

Diana
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Let me address your queries one at a time:
I never said it would be easy, but then again, nothing worth having is easy is it? I for one have never had anything handed to me.....ever. If I listened to the teachers and councillors in senior public school I'd be pumping gas at $4.00 per hour instead of being self employed.....

To be honest, meeting and starting a relationship with an sp doesn't scare me one bit. I think of all the long term (2+ yrs) relationships I ever had only 1 started off typically: meet, go on a date, date some more, see each other exclusively.

As for her being in the biz:
1) You are correct, I knew what I was getting into and what she did. The only way I'd get into anything more serious (like living together, marriage, etc) is if she had an exit strategy.
2) If I met an sp that I felt I connected with and wanted more from (and yes, this has happened and according to her, she felt the same) and she wanted to stay in the biz, I could handle it to a point. I equate this to something a gyno said to me when I asked him about staring at vagina's all day then coming home to his wife: He said: The ones I see all day are just "organs" to me. They are work. When I go to bed with my wife, I love her, and have an emotional connection to her so it is totally different. I could see it as: she is having sex with them, making love to me.
3) I have learned that there is no "perfect" relationship. Every one of them has their obstacles to overcome.
4) In a few of my previous relationships I had women say to me: You restrict my freedom. I said How? They said "because I meet guys that I want to be friends with, or go drinking with etc but can't because of you. I said "you're wrong. I don't limit who you can see or what you do with them. YOU do. I don't tell you who you can see or who you can do, you can do whatever YOU want to do. It is up to me to decide whether I can accept that behavious or not but that is MY decision, not yours. If you think you can't or shouldn't go out with these male friends then that is YOUR decision not mine. I chose not to flirt, chase, or otherwise fool around with other women because I don't want to, I want to be with you. Apply this to dating a working sp and the same rule applies. Who am I to tell her that she can't do her job?

As I've said, I think it could only work long term if she had an exit strategy and planned to leave the business in x years anyways (definitely NOT because of me because that would be a very sore spot in the relationship). I am a monogamous person by nature and if I ever got involved with a woman (sp or civilian) my hobbying days would be over, unless of course she was interested in a 3some that is. The key to that would be it would be for both of us, not just me playing the field as it were.

One thing I've learned as I've gotten older (and hopefully wiser!) is that relationships come in all shapes and sizes and it is rare to meet someone you can see yourself with. To not accept someone or the possible good times (and bad) you could have with her simply because of what she does for money, is just silly IMO.

I think what I'm trying to say is that I've come to realize that if you do happen to find someone you connect with on an emotional, intellectual and physical level, that why ignore or discount that person by all kinds of restrictions and or "rules"? Why not accept her for who she is, revel in the closeness you can share with her, enjoy the times you can spend together instead of limiting or preventing all that just because of what she does? I find that too many people these days have way too many criteria that someone has to meet before they will even consider them to be a possible partner. I don't expect her to be perfect because I sure as hell am not.
 

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the thing is TB, that if she left the biz because of the relationship then that would be a real problem in the relationship. Whenever I've heard about, or been involved with someone who can say "I gave up (fill in the blank) for you" then there's trouble on the horizon.

Now if an sp already had plans to leave the biz for something different, then everything's hunky dory.

Then again, what is she planning on doing after she leaves the biz? I find so many people (women) now say: I don't have time for a relationship....well, I say: you'd better make time now because when you finally make the time in the all too distant future, you may find that it's too late...........
 

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Amazon_woman said:
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I guess that is why I'm finding this so difficult to understand. :(

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errr what are you finding so difficult to understand????

and you're welcome.....
 

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tbevel said:
You're absolutely right tboy and again, for me personally, I'd have to feel that she wanted to leave the biz on her own accord and not just because I wished her to, but everyone is different and have to be able to decide what they can or cannot accept for their own happiness and well being. I guess if I felt like I had to push because it's what I wanted, then there likely wouldn't be much point in pursuing it further.
TB: it isn't even that she would think she was leaving it because YOU asked her to or want her too. I find that many people in relationships do things for the relationship and then equate that to the other person.

For eg: I didn't go out dancing with the girls, get drunk and rub crotches with all those single guys because I'm involved with someone (namely YOU). Then they come back with "I don't do this because I'm involved with you".

See, for it to work, she should be planning on leaving the biz long before she even meets you. IMO that's the ONLY way it can work.

In my experience if one party gives up something "for the good of the relationship" there is hell on the horizon and it ain't going to be pretty.....
 

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Well Diana: I think it takes a really strong (emotionally) person to be able to accept the things they cannot change, accept the things they can, and if one does have an exit strategy to be completed in x amount of time, then YES, he SHOULD be strong enough to bide his time until you're 100% his...

If he doesn't? I say FUCK him and move on....really. It sounds to me like he cannot just relax and enjoy his time with you and IMO that means even though he may be great in many other ways, this to me is a deal breaker.
 

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Well Diane: I think it takes a really strong (emotionally) person to be able to accept the things they cannot change, accept the things they can, and if one does have an exit strategy to be completed in x amount of time, then YES, he SHOULD be strong enough to bide his time until you're 100% his...

If he doesn't? I say FUCK him and move on....really. It sounds to me like he cannot just relax and enjoy his time with you and IMO that means even though he may be great in many other ways, this to me is a deal breaker.
Maybe i'm younger (30) or maybe I'm not perfect....but that demand for acceptance would be too great to fulfill even for the gods.

But i hope everyone finds their own patch of happiness somewhere.
 

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Maybe i'm younger (30) or maybe I'm not perfect....but that demand for acceptance would be too great to fulfill even for the gods.

But i hope everyone finds their own patch of happiness somewhere.
Not really....and don't be overdramatic.

For one thing, we're not talking about an indefinite period of time here, we're talking about a set plan of action where you know your future with her will be set in x amount of time.

I agree that if she said that she would never leave the business then I would have a hard time taking the relationship to the next level......

For the record however there are millions of couples who swap, who watch each other having sex with other people, have differing sex drives and allow their partner to take care of it themselves so while it might not be for everyone, there are those that have open marriages (and the ladies aren't sp's!!!).

Just so that everyone doesn't think I've lost my touch:

Hey, if she stays in the biz and is busy, think of all the great birthday and christmas presents you'll get !!! LOL

(ok that was bad....but I'm a bad boy heheheh)
 

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I do agree with you here tboy. You'd think it would actually be easier to develop a meaningful, serious relationship with a person who was once a client. After all, you KNOW the sex is amazing, you've spent a good deal of time talking and getting to know each other, you find yourself really looking forward to seeing that person again, etc. etc. Plus, considering he was once a hobbyist as well, it's less likely that your past is going to come back to bite you in the ass later on.

However, let me ask you this. If you were to fall for an escort you saw regularly (and she for you), what would be your expectations of her once you both decided to pursue the relationship? Would you expect her to be able to leave this very lucrative business right away? Would the thought of her going off to see other men drive you crazy? Would you be able to handle it without going completely ballistic at times? I mean, you KNEW what she did when you met her, it was not a shock. That is HOW you met her after all.
Would you be able to stick by her while she made the transition to another career?

Yes, escorts do have the opportunity to meet many wonderful men in this business. However, the whole transition to relationship is not as easy as you make it sound.

Diana
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This is a very interesting discussion with some good insights. Having first hand experience with a successful relationship transition it really comes down to an emotional connection beyond sex. It worked because neither party entered the original connection with any ideas of a relationship happening. It just happened, the way it can happen with any form of connection. I did know that whenever she had a boyfriend she did not do sp work being her choice. While you should never expect it, if you meet the right person, explore it. I did, at her request, and it has worked out. Her past, and mine, because that is how we met, is often laughed about together by us. It doesn't matter how you meet the right person, just that you do! I did!!
 

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barrowing said:
.....Her past, and mine, because that is how we met, is often laughed about together by us. It doesn't matter how you meet the right person, just that you do! I did!!
Exactly, it doesn't matter how you met......

It's funny, when you say "laughed about...." I said that to an sp once when this topic came up. I said, I would never hold it against you (I'd hold something against you, especially in the shower *eg*) and I said no, what I may do is call her MLE every once in a while....

she said Why Emily? I said, not E M I L Y ..... M L E = My Little Escort lol.....
 

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OH hey alexa, I agree completely but that isn't so much determined by how you met, but the type of person you get involved with.

It is so funny, I hear so many times over and over about how so many women get involved with guys who are lousy in a relationship yet those who are, go unnoticed?

Yes, I can see being in a damaging relationship can bring one down but if you're a person who is so secure in themselves, this is very difficult to happen. What I'm trying to say is if one is secure in themselves, when their partner starts damaging behaviour, you can notice it right away and do something about it.

Now I'm not saying don't commit yourself to someone but never commit so much that you lose your sense of self.....
 

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OH I agree with what you say Alexa, but something I've learned over the years is that people tend to make the same mistakes over and over again by continually going after the same type of people.

For eg: I can't tell you how many women I've met over the years who only go for "bad boys" and end up in tears when the bad boys fuck them over. One female friend of mine did this 3 times over 4 years and ignored my warnings when I got to know her "new" guy. I finally said to her after it happened for the third time: Listen Ms X, don't even BOTHER (when she called to wail on my shoulder about he was cheating on her...again!). I said "you don't listen to me, you make the same mistakes over and over again, and it's getting a little old...." I finally stopped returning her calls when once again the next guy she was chasing was the epitome of the "bad boy".....
 

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Hey smiley, I bet you're single too and couldn't pick up a woman with a forklift?

I find that since I'm self reliant, independant and ahem, not broken, women overlook me.......I guess because I know the difference between wanting someone in my life, and needing someone in my life......
 

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OH yes, I've learned a lot from all my past relationships and I speak of them here. How do you think I became so wise? lol......Shit, even a toddler knows that everytime he falls down it HURTS so sooner or later, he learns not to fall down.....

I can honestly say that when I was in my 20's, I was a total ass and don't know HOW any of my gf's put up with me....

In my 30's I learned a few things and put up with TOO much from my GF's....

Now I have the benefit of years of experience and would rather be single and happy than make the same mistakes many do just to be in a relationship.

As for giving up, I have no problem admitting it. At least giving up chasing women here in Toronto. IMO all the single women I've met are all after Mr Right and we know he doesn't exist. I for one am sure I'm not Mr Right. I know there are things I do that will drive some women crazy. I know there are some things I do that will make them happier than they've ever been in their lives. What I've learned from my past relationships is that there are some things EVERYONE will do to drive their partner crazy. The trick is to find the person whose "drive me crazy" things are one of the reasons to be with them, because you can handle them.

For eg: I dated a woman for 5 yrs. One of the things that drive me crazy is how EVERY woman puts on 20 30 or more lbs when they get involved or hear the L word. Well this woman was no different but when she put on weight, I just looked at it this way: hey, she's got a belly now, BFD at least her boobs are bigger TOO lol. There were a lot more things but they're rather personal so I won't get into them here but instead of them driving me nuts, I embraced them and made a joke out of them.

One of the things I do that drive my partners nuts is that I AM a smartass. I always find something funny in just about every situation. I'm always cracking jokes, playing with words, and to sum it up perfectedly, a co-worker who was leaving the city said to me as he was about to get into the moving truck: You know "tboy", not all your jokes were funny, some were just lame, but your sense of humor made the days go by faster and took a lot of the stress out of the job. I'm going to miss it......
 

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Alexa Taylor said:
K, well thank-you for sharing now. And yes, you are a smartass but so am I. LOL. I think you drive KWI and myself batty at times.;)
That's cuz I'm on a mission....a mission from gawd......
 

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I have no business in this thread but anyways...

I don't think having a "full life" is the solution to loneliness. Loneliness is the lack or absence of close, interpersonal relationships (yes, I did just crack open my Social Psych textbook from a decade ago). If you are having a full life in the "big city" sense of the word--jumping from event to event, mixing school and work, or putting in excessive work hours--it can probably make it worse and not allow close relationships to develop with people you'd genuinely click with, but gain "acquaintances" because they just happen to be there or passing through. But when it seems we are as $ oriented as we are, and working as hard as the Japanese, I guess the bulk of our socializing can only be done with co-workers and clients.

As well, who *chooses* to be lonely?! This is a big, faceless city--not a small European comune where everyone knows everyone and have lived around each others' families for generations and the divorce rate is nil. Sometimes people just fall through the cracks or the civie social world can be unkind or a tough nut to crack and that's that. For myself, it feels like I have gone through chronic loneliness since I was a child and I'm sure it's phucked me up somehow. And it is the reason I contemplated an SP in the first place. Years ago I was MASSIVELY insulted when a friend suggested I might need to go to an SP (because he had diagnosed that I had a "fear of women" since I had no game and wasn't interested in club skanks).

Regarding the person saying how people change in relationships. I can see this stuff applying to the younger crowd, but if anything's been burned in my mind from Social Psych and my personal life it's how our own chemicals really mess with us at the start of a relationship. Yes, we overlook things, but it is almost precisely those things that we find admirable, cute, or sexy at the start which annoy us once the chemicals are gone. His very confident demeanour that made you dizzy and proud to show him off at the start now makes you roll your eyes because it seems he's changed into a cocky, overconfident SOB who talks up women every chance he gets--though, he hasn't really changed at all. Her cute munchkin voice that made your heart flutter at the start now leaves you longing for someone with a more alluring womanly voice...etc...etc...
 
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