The Oracle said:
I don't understand how Performance enhancing drugs are going to help Zaun be a better baseball broadcaster???
what's that?
he still plays baseball?? are you sure???
The Mitchell Report
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I don't understand how Performance enhancing drugs are going to help Zaun be a better baseball broadcaster???
what's that?
he still plays baseball?? are you sure???
blueline said:
I did not repeat the 400 page report, but my understanding is that each player whose name was going to be mentioned was contacted before the report was completed. They were asked to give a statement or explain themselves...
Again, I don't know exactly how this was done..... but I believe that if they had a satisfactory explanation, and their evidence was corroborated, then their name was going to be left off the report...
Frightening!!!
If I am not mistaken, Mitchell report is based MAINLY on the evidence provided by a couple of people... Specifically Brian McNamee!!!!
Let's call a spade a spade... McNamee was a dealer... he might have been the biggest dealer supplying baseball players... but he was still just one dealer..
The question is: How many other dealers were supplying MLB players, and how many of them were smart enough to pay cash, and buy it thru a middle man???
I think that is the real story here!!!!!
If I am not mistaken, Mitchell report is based MAINLY on the evidence provided by a couple of people... Specifically Brian McNamee!!!!
Let's call a spade a spade... McNamee was a dealer... he might have been the biggest dealer supplying baseball players... but he was still just one dealer..
The question is: How many other dealers were supplying MLB players, and how many of them were smart enough to pay cash, and buy it thru a middle man???
I think that is the real story here!!!!!
guyroch said:
I'm curious as to the amount of steroid/HGH abuse there is in the minor leagues? This would be an ideal market for those players looking for that extra advantage to make it to the majors.
Hockey
Closer to home, i find the prattle coming from the NHL, and players, media hilarious...
I think it was Nick Kypreos on the radio the other day talking about how he does not see the "body type" that would indicate PEDs, and he does not see how steroids would help a hockey player since hockey requires more balance, coordination, and less power blah, blah... of course he mentions that there were rumors about Kordic...
Some of what Kypreos says is true... Steroids were traditionally not part of the Canadian sports scene... especially in hockey... but Kypreos has not been in the system for decades... lots change in decades...
The US College ranks however, were filled with PEDs in the 80's. First hand experience for me was my friends who went down to US Colleges to play football... They got excellent coaching, and in season and out of season work out regimens... when they over exerted, or started to get burned out, they found the answers of how their teammates got over the hump..
One of the best examples for us happened with one of our work out partners who went played Division 11 football. He was the laziest of the group... Benching 300 was still a huge thing back then, and our goal... The hardest worker of the 3 made it there, but the 4th guy just blew right by him after 1 year on his program from College...
With results like that, many guys in the gym were soon on the program...
I cant' see how that would not have filtered into the Cdn hockey scene...
Closer to home, i find the prattle coming from the NHL, and players, media hilarious...
I think it was Nick Kypreos on the radio the other day talking about how he does not see the "body type" that would indicate PEDs, and he does not see how steroids would help a hockey player since hockey requires more balance, coordination, and less power blah, blah... of course he mentions that there were rumors about Kordic...
Some of what Kypreos says is true... Steroids were traditionally not part of the Canadian sports scene... especially in hockey... but Kypreos has not been in the system for decades... lots change in decades...
The US College ranks however, were filled with PEDs in the 80's. First hand experience for me was my friends who went down to US Colleges to play football... They got excellent coaching, and in season and out of season work out regimens... when they over exerted, or started to get burned out, they found the answers of how their teammates got over the hump..
One of the best examples for us happened with one of our work out partners who went played Division 11 football. He was the laziest of the group... Benching 300 was still a huge thing back then, and our goal... The hardest worker of the 3 made it there, but the 4th guy just blew right by him after 1 year on his program from College...
With results like that, many guys in the gym were soon on the program...
I cant' see how that would not have filtered into the Cdn hockey scene...
It seems...
...Sosa's name has come up elsewhere
Missing From Mitchell Report, Sosa Is Included in Grimsley Affidavit
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/21/sports/baseball/21mitchell.html?th&emc=th
The Department of Justice has unsealed two affidavits by a federal agent concerning people involved with performance-enhancing drugs in baseball, identifying four more current or former players, including the home run slugger Sammy Sosa, who may have used the drugs.
While dozens of players were named last week in the Mitchell report into the use of performance-enhancing substances in baseball, four others who were not in the Mitchell report — Sosa, Pete Incaviglia, Geronimo Berroa and Allen Watson — were named in a May 2006 affidavit by Jeffrey J. Novitzky, a special agent for the Internal Revenue Service criminal division, detailing his interview with the former pitcher Jason Grimsley.
The 20-page affidavit also names several other players who were named in the Mitchell report. All the names were unsealed Thursday.
The other affidavit, expected to be made public Friday, is believed to name at least one other player who did not appear in the Mitchell report. That 27-page affidavit recounts the evidence Novitzky had gathered against Kirk Radomski, a former Mets clubhouse attendant who has admitted selling performance-enhancing drugs from 1995 through 2005.
Both affidavits were filed to persuade a judge to issue search warrants, then partly blacked out to protect the ongoing investigation. The government moved to unseal the affidavits because its criminal case is winding down and because of the release of the Mitchell report, which followed a 20-month investigation by former Senator George J. Mitchell.
Novitzky led the investigations of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative and of Radomski. Radomski’s home on Long Island and Grimsley’s home in Phoenix were searched as part of that investigation.
The Grimsley affidavit was made public in its entirety. It identifies Sosa as having talked about using amphetamines, Incaviglia as having used amphetamines, Berroa as having used steroids and Watson as having used unidentified performance-enhancing drugs.
It also names José Canseco, Lenny Dykstra, Glenallen Hill, Chuck Knoblauch, Rafael Palmeiro, David Segui and Miguel Tejada, all of whom were named in the Mitchell report.
The sentence about Sosa recounts a conversation Grimsley said he had in 2005 with Sosa, Tejada and Palmeiro, who were his Orioles teammates at the time. “Grimsley stated that the topic of the conversation among the four was how they were going to play the baseball season next year when Major League Baseball banned the use of amphetamines and began testing for them,” Novitzky wrote.
Palmeiro previously tested positive for using steroids; this was the first reference to his using amphetamines. He is 10th on the career home run list with 569.
Sosa, who is No. 5 on the career home run list with 609, has never been formally accused of using performance-enhancing drugs. He has been suspected of using them because he had bulked up significantly over the years. He hit more than 60 home runs in 1998, 1999 and 2001, after previously hitting no more than 40 in a season.
Incaviglia, an outfielder, hit 206 career home runs, including 30 as a rookie in 1986. Berroa, an outfielder, had his best season in 1996, when he hit 36 home runs. Watson pitched from 1993 to 2000.
The contents of the Radomski affidavit will not be available until Friday, Eve Burton, counsel for the Hearst Corp., said Thursday. She said the government sent her an unsigned motion at 5 p.m. Eastern time.
Hearst had filed a lawsuit asking a federal judge to unseal the Radomski affidavit but was rejected.
Diane J. Humetewa, the United States attorney for Arizona, wrote in an unsealing motion that the government no longer needed the names to remain redacted to avoid affecting an ongoing investigation.
MLAM said:
...Sosa's name has come up elsewhere
Missing From Mitchell Report, Sosa Is Included in Grimsley Affidavit
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/21/sports/baseball/21mitchell.html?th&emc=th
The Department of Justice has unsealed two affidavits by a federal agent concerning people involved with performance-enhancing drugs in baseball, identifying four more current or former players, including the home run slugger Sammy Sosa, who may have used the drugs.
While dozens of players were named last week in the Mitchell report into the use of performance-enhancing substances in baseball, four others who were not in the Mitchell report — Sosa, Pete Incaviglia, Geronimo Berroa and Allen Watson — were named in a May 2006 affidavit by Jeffrey J. Novitzky, a special agent for the Internal Revenue Service criminal division, detailing his interview with the former pitcher Jason Grimsley.
The 20-page affidavit also names several other players who were named in the Mitchell report. All the names were unsealed Thursday.
The other affidavit, expected to be made public Friday, is believed to name at least one other player who did not appear in the Mitchell report. That 27-page affidavit recounts the evidence Novitzky had gathered against Kirk Radomski, a former Mets clubhouse attendant who has admitted selling performance-enhancing drugs from 1995 through 2005.
Both affidavits were filed to persuade a judge to issue search warrants, then partly blacked out to protect the ongoing investigation. The government moved to unseal the affidavits because its criminal case is winding down and because of the release of the Mitchell report, which followed a 20-month investigation by former Senator George J. Mitchell.
Novitzky led the investigations of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative and of Radomski. Radomski’s home on Long Island and Grimsley’s home in Phoenix were searched as part of that investigation.
The Grimsley affidavit was made public in its entirety. It identifies Sosa as having talked about using amphetamines, Incaviglia as having used amphetamines, Berroa as having used steroids and Watson as having used unidentified performance-enhancing drugs.
It also names José Canseco, Lenny Dykstra, Glenallen Hill, Chuck Knoblauch, Rafael Palmeiro, David Segui and Miguel Tejada, all of whom were named in the Mitchell report.
The sentence about Sosa recounts a conversation Grimsley said he had in 2005 with Sosa, Tejada and Palmeiro, who were his Orioles teammates at the time. “Grimsley stated that the topic of the conversation among the four was how they were going to play the baseball season next year when Major League Baseball banned the use of amphetamines and began testing for them,” Novitzky wrote.
Palmeiro previously tested positive for using steroids; this was the first reference to his using amphetamines. He is 10th on the career home run list with 569.
Sosa, who is No. 5 on the career home run list with 609, has never been formally accused of using performance-enhancing drugs. He has been suspected of using them because he had bulked up significantly over the years. He hit more than 60 home runs in 1998, 1999 and 2001, after previously hitting no more than 40 in a season.
Incaviglia, an outfielder, hit 206 career home runs, including 30 as a rookie in 1986. Berroa, an outfielder, had his best season in 1996, when he hit 36 home runs. Watson pitched from 1993 to 2000.
The contents of the Radomski affidavit will not be available until Friday, Eve Burton, counsel for the Hearst Corp., said Thursday. She said the government sent her an unsigned motion at 5 p.m. Eastern time.
Hearst had filed a lawsuit asking a federal judge to unseal the Radomski affidavit but was rejected.
Diane J. Humetewa, the United States attorney for Arizona, wrote in an unsealing motion that the government no longer needed the names to remain redacted to avoid affecting an ongoing investigation.
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