The LGBTQ protest thread

[DinkleMouse]

if they have a vagina - female...if they have a penis - male...is that simple enough for you?

So which of those people have penises and which have vaginas? Should be simple enough for you to answer, right? How do you propose to police that? You going to set up a booth up front with a genitals inspector?

You're telling me if there was a video of this guy in line at a women's bathroom, you wouldn't say a peep if he says on that video that he has a vagina?



What if they're born with both; do they get to choose? And people born with neither; no washroom at all? And post bottom surgery, since you say that's not enough to be the new organ, but the old organ has been removed so they no longer have it. Then what?

 

[DinkleMouse]

chopping off your penis doesn't make you a woman...you're just a man who chopped your penis off...don't get me wrong...you can be a homosexual man, gay, queer or trans....you can replace it with a hole....you're still biological male....i admire your mental gymnastics though....but hey...if there's a hold, there's a goal...so keep plugging them holes if you can't tell what's real and what's not...

So what test can be done to determine someones gender? If it's not by asking them or looking at their genitals, which might be removed or surgically altered, what is it? Check their chromosomes?

 

[richaceg]

So which of those people have penises and which have vaginas? Should be simple enough for you to answer, right? How do you propose to police that? You going to set up a booth up front with a genitals inspector?

You're telling me if there was a video of this guy in line at a women's bathroom, you wouldn't say a peep if he says on that video that he has a vagina?

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What if they're born with both; do they get to choose? And people born with neither; no washroom at all? And post bottom surgery, since you say that's not enough to be the new organ, but the old organ has been removed so they no longer have it. Then what?

Oooohhh such a dilemma right? And why is it the layman's problem? You want to make yourself look like you're not....and now it's my problem how to police you? You wanna look like a dude then you can probably go to a male washroom without a question...but do you belong there? you know damn well to yourself you don't....lol... same with biological male pretending to be women....if you keep it hush hush that you were actually male but looks like a chick, nobody would know....and you can get away with it....such a term..."get away with it"...you know damn well you don't have a real vagina...I was never against trans....you can be who you want to be...but don't force that belief in me...again not my problem...you can fuck a post op trans and it makes you feel like you fucked a real women....i have nothing against it...but you know you fucked a dude with an orifice...truth hurts but it is what it is...

 

[DinkleMouse]

Oooohhh such a dilemma right? And why is it the layman's problem?

I mean, you're the one that's been taking offence to the trans women in women's washrooms, and supporting views that want to force very masculine trans men into women's washrooms. If you can't say how you'd enforce that or what you'd do about the problem, then what's your point? Or are you suddenly saying you don't actually care and it doesn't matter to you? Because if that's the case then great; we can all find something else to do with our time.

This has been my issue all along. People making these arguments generally don't want a masculine trans woman going into a female washroom but don't care if it's a feminine trans woman. But the problem is their arguments would force masculine trans men into women's washrooms which they would also have a problem with. It's a problem of appearance to most people. And that's why this is so dicey.

As a teen I knew a woman who literally had to shave every day to avoid growing a beard. Back then people had empathy for her condition. But how today she might get called out for being in the wrong washroom even though she's biologically female and is a straight woman. And no one should have the right to make her feel ugly or degrade her just because they think they should be the arbiter of who goes where.

 

[John_Jacob]

What part of The study found that those who received puberty-delaying hormone treatment had lower likelihood of lifetime suicidal ideation than those who wanted puberty-delaying treatment but did not receive it, even after adjusting for demographic variables and level of family support. sounds like "NO beneficial effect" to you?

who received
who wanted
With this criteria, the first thing that comes to mind is Placebo.

Placebo effect is a real thing. I'm curious if "puberty-delaying hormone treatment" is any better than placebo which is strongly inherent in drug trials, particularly mental health.

"A fascinating study examined the impact of the placebo effect in 84 trials of nerve pain treatments that took place over the prior 23 years. The researchers found that the placebo effect has become remarkably stronger,"

 

[richaceg]

I mean, you're the one that's been taking offence to the trans women in women's washrooms, and supporting views that want to force very masculine trans men into women's washrooms. If you can't say how you'd enforce that or what you'd do about the problem, then what's your point? Or are you suddenly saying you don't actually care and it doesn't matter to you? Because if that's the case then great; we can all find something else to do with our time.

This has been my issue all along. People making these arguments generally don't want a masculine trans woman going into a female washroom but don't care if it's a feminine trans woman. But the problem is their arguments would force masculine trans men into women's washrooms which they would also have a problem with. It's a problem of appearance to most people. And that's why this is so dicey.

As a teen I knew a woman who literally had to shave every day to avoid growing a beard. Back then people had empathy for her condition. But how today she might get called out for being in the wrong washroom even though she's biologically female and is a straight woman. And no one should have the right to make her feel ugly or degrade her just because they think they should be the arbiter of who goes where.

There's a lot that can be done...but politicians don't have the balls to take it head on in fear of being labeled "transphobic". women are much more sensitive to these matters compared to men...and they are also being labeled "transphobic" when they speak up...

 

[John_Jacob]

...and they are also being labeled "transphobic" when they speak up...

This never happens...

 

[DinkleMouse]

There's a lot that can be done...but politicians don't have the balls to take it head on in fear of being labeled "transphobic". women are much more sensitive to these matters compared to men...and they are also being labeled "transphobic" when they speak up...

Ok, so then tell us what these things are that can be done. That's what I asked and your reply was to wonder why it should be up to the layman.

On the issue of men with penises going into women's washrooms, what exactly is it politicians could do it they weren't scared of being labeled? And if it's to pass a law saying you have to have a vagina that you got at birth to use a female washroom, you would then be fine with a burley, bearded person who is sexually attracted to women using the women's washroom? Or not?

Given your last response was essentially, "Why do I need to come up with a solution?" and this response is "There are lots of solutions but people are scared of being labeled to implement them", I'm starting to think you're just a troll. Will you actually share some of these solutions you believe exist?

 

[John_Jacob]

Ok, so then tell us what these things are that can be done. That's what I asked and your reply was to wonder why it should be up to the layman.

On the issue of men with penises going into women's washrooms, what exactly is it politicians could do it they weren't scared of being labeled? And if it's to pass a law saying you have to have a vagina that you got at birth to use a female washroom, you would then be fine with a burley, bearded person who is sexually attracted to women using the women's washroom? Or not?

Given your last response was essentially, "Why do I need to come up with a solution?" and this response is "There are lots of solutions but people are scared of being labeled to implement them", I'm starting to think you're just a troll. Will you actually share some of these solutions you believe exist?

Nothing possibly could go wrong right? No one would pretend to be a woman to gain access to women's spaces would they?

 

[richaceg]

Ok, so then tell us what these things are that can be done. That's what I asked and your reply was to wonder why it should be up to the layman.

On the issue of men with penises going into women's washrooms, what exactly is it politicians could do it they weren't scared of being labeled? And if it's to pass a law saying you have to have a vagina that you got at birth to use a female washroom, you would then be fine with a burley, bearded person who is sexually attracted to women using the women's washroom? Or not?

Given your last response was essentially, "Why do I need to come up with a solution?" and this response is "There are lots of solutions but people are scared of being labeled to implement them", I'm starting to think you're just a troll. Will you actually share some of these solutions you believe exist?

put on separate washrooms for the trans (if it's not there already i've seen some gender neutral washrooms) but don't remove female and male washrooms. in sports have a league of their own. instead of including them with women's division....they are far superior than women after all...it has been proven... again...men are far less exposed to the dangers from predatory females than women exposed to predatory males that can pretend to be trans and enter their spaces...it does happen...there are genuine trans but enclusion or accepting them as women has proven to be a disaster....do you really think Dylan Mulvaney is a women and spending 365 days of womanhood is for reals? You really think fucking Dylon is no different than fucking a real woman?

 

[John_Jacob]

put on separate washrooms for the trans (if it's not there already i've seen some gender neutral washrooms) but don't remove female and male washrooms. in sports have a league of their own. instead of including them with women's division....they are far superior than women after all...it has been proven... again...men are far less exposed to the dangers from predatory females than women exposed to predatory males that can pretend to be trans and enter their spaces...it does happen...there are genuine trans but enclusion or accepting them as women has proven to be a disaster....do you really think Dylan Mulvaney is a women and spending 365 days of womanhood is for reals? You really think fucking Dylon is no different than fucking a real woman?

No need for a 3rd washroom. Men don't represent a threat to transwomen in men's washrooms. Show the data that proves otherwise.

 

[Butler1000]

Oh Butler.
Why do you talk about things you clearly don't look into and have trouble understanding when you do?

Do you think the issue with ivermectin was that it was being used off label?
That's adorable.

Ok, enlighten.....

 

[John_Jacob]

Why do you talk about things you clearly don't look into and have trouble understanding when you do?

I'm stealing this, awesome phrase.

 

[DinkleMouse]

put on separate washrooms for the trans (if it's not there already i've seen some gender neutral washrooms) but don't remove female and male washrooms. in sports have a league of their own. instead of including them with women's division....they are far superior than women after all...it has been proven... again...men are far less exposed to the dangers from predatory females than women exposed to predatory males that can pretend to be trans and enter their spaces...it does happen...

Just to make sure I understand you correctly, you're saying males pose a physical risk to females because of, I assume, more muscle growth and bigger bone density, and so to protect females from those males who may pretend and have nefarious motives, men and women should have separate washrooms and trans people should have their own again? Is that correct?

there are genuine trans but enclusion or accepting them as women has proven to be a disaster....

What proof are you referring to here?

do you really think Dylan Mulvaney is a women and spending 365 days of womanhood is for reals?

I have honestly given zero thought to Dylan's sexuality or gender behaviours 365 days. But then I've given zero thought to yours, or Trudeau's, or Poillievre's, or anyone else's really. There are very few people whose sexuality I ever think about, and for those who do it's usually a fantasy about Katheryn Winnick or Ana de Armas and in no way do I care if it doesn't reflect their actual life on private. Do you really care what Dylan's up to? I feel like you're letting people live rent free in your mind. Maybe it's time to worry about real things.

You really think fucking Dylon is no different than fucking a real woman?

I can honestly say I've fucked lots of women and they weren't all the same, so I'm not sure which you want me to compare this to. Though again, I don't particularly care. Why do you?

 

[DinkleMouse]

Nothing possibly could go wrong right? No one would pretend to be a woman to gain access to women's spaces would they?

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I ask what solutions are, and you reply with this, which includes zero solutions. Did you reply to right person?

If so, can you point to where I've said men wouldn't be transgender? I'll just leave this here for you:

Straw man - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[John_Jacob]

I ask what solutions are, and you reply with this, which includes zero solutions. Did you reply to right person?

There already IS a solution in place. The problem is men trying to remove the safeguarding that is already in place and those that support that effort.

Not being able to define woman is not just linguistic problem. It’s an attempt to change the is way society views females in general.
The word of women, children & others affected by gender identity & inclusion policies is never enough. Men simply utter “I identify as a woman” & women’s right, child safeguarding & biological reality are immediately destroyed.




The world hasn't changed. We just lied to ourselves about it

 

[DinkleMouse]

There already IS a solution in place. The problem is men trying to remove the safeguarding that is already in place and those that support that effort.

Men are trying to remove it?

Also giving your half-baked definition of a solution now doesn't change the fact that your reply had absolutely nothing to do with what I said she then included a huge strawman. So you're just a troll.

Not being able to define woman is not just linguistic problem. It’s an attempt to change the is way society views females in general.

There you go! You've got it now! The trans rights movement is indeed a push to get people to change their views of women in general. Exactly! Much like how the women's suffrage movement was an attempt to push people to change their views of women in general so that they can be acquired in the definition of "persons".

This whole thing is about reframing sex and gender to line up with all the science that has been pointing more and more to there being more than two sexes (XX chromosomes born with penis different from XY born with penis different from XX born with vagina different from XY born with vagina different from XX born with neither different from XY born with neither different from XX born with both different from XY born with both), and that the social construct of gender, which is made of three parts (sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression) are far more complicated as they have been this thousands of years.

You get it now! Congrats! It's not just biology, it's also linguistics and society! That's exactly right!

The world hasn't changed. We just lied to ourselves about it

I wouldn't say "lied". We just need more data and research to realize we were wrong. We see that a lot in science. And unlike Tucker Carlson and Lauren Boebert and Marjory Tyler Green, science adapts and adjusts and admits when it's wrong.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

LOL....school kids in UK are now identifying as cats, horses and dinosaurs and schools have to accept this or risk being charged with transphobia

https://www.gbnews.com/news/schools-children-identity-cats-horses-dinosaurs

In a particularly disruptive case, the newspaper spoke to a student in Wales who claimed a classmate had identified as a cat for three years.
The pupil complained: “When they answer questions, they meow rather than answer a question in English.
“And the teachers are not allowed to get annoyed about this because it’s seen as discriminating.”

 

[DinkleMouse]

LOL....school kids in UK are now identifying as cats, horses and dinosaurs and schools have to accept this or risk being charged with transphobia

https://www.gbnews.com/news/schools-children-identity-cats-horses-dinosaurs

Oh, you're repeating a thoroughly debunked story that had no evidence or basis in reality, and was actually a rehashed version of nonsense satire unrelated to 2SLGBTQ+ from decades ago?

I guess we can file you in with the other people here who read a thing they want to be true and so accept without looking into it at all.

‘Child identifying as cat’ controversy: from TikTok video to media frenzy

Tory calls for urgent investigation raise eyebrows as Rye college says no pupil identifies ‘as a cat or any other animal’

www.theguardian.com

Each time it's revived and recycled, the hoax follows the same pattern

The hoax with nine lives: Tracing false claims of litter boxes in schools This culture war staple is thought to have started two years ago with…

www.heraldscotland.com

Stop trying to make cat-children happen

The British media is whipping up a moral panic about the supposed phenomenon of children identifying as cats – but it’s as false as it is ridiculous

www.dazeddigital.com

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Oh, you're repeating a thoroughly debunked story that had no evidence or basis in reality, and was actually a rehashed version of nonsense satire unrelated to 2SLGBTQ+ from decades ago?

I guess we can file you in with the other people here who read a thing they want to be true and so accept without looking into it at all.

‘Child identifying as cat’ controversy: from TikTok video to media frenzy

Tory calls for urgent investigation raise eyebrows as Rye college says no pupil identifies ‘as a cat or any other animal’

www.theguardian.com

Each time it's revived and recycled, the hoax follows the same pattern

The hoax with nine lives: Tracing false claims of litter boxes in schools This culture war staple is thought to have started two years ago with…

www.heraldscotland.com

Stop trying to make cat-children happen

The British media is whipping up a moral panic about the supposed phenomenon of children identifying as cats – but it’s as false as it is ridiculous

www.dazeddigital.com

Its true. They just had a school official on TalkTV that confirmed it