The Hookers Union......

[alex52]

Big man spoke on TERB, little woman must listen. She don't listen, I club in head. Make her listen.

Caveman days are long over.

You have some personal issue that you need to resolve, the first one is that big chip on your shoulder.
From what I read on this thread I don't think you have the skills to lead anything, but hey what do I know I am only a man.

 

[Brill]

If ex-escorts didn't have a chip on their shoulder there wouldn't be a need to improve the situation of hookers.
Anger is the mother of progress, in my opinion.

 

[Kya_Jean]

but hey what do I know I am only a man.

Best comment in this whole thread.

Honestly, you guys all take things way to seriously, and to think you tell all the ladies here to grow a thick skin. Classic, LOL.

 

[Kya_Jean]

Prima facie for man hater...........lol
Honestly you ladies take things way too seriously, and to think you tell all the men here to grow a thick skin. Classic,LOL.: ): )

Ah - it's okay. I am now waiting for Tboy to jump in an tell me not only do I hate men, but that I am gold-drigger to boot.

and no - we tell you to grow a thick cock! Big difference.

Or was that wallet. I get the two mixed up all the time. Sorry. See, where is TBOY when you need him.

 

[fuji]

fuji, if she's going for a hooker lobbyist or public relations role then diplomacy is required, but is it for a union leader?

Yes, any union leader has to attract members and convince workers with different views that the union understands and represents their interests, then work to engineer a consensus view among the workers. That takes diplomacy, and bridge-buiding skills.

It's fine for a union leader to take a belligerent tone with managers and others when representing a worker view, but it's not fine for a union leader to take a belligerent tone with the workers themselves.

You might look at the inclusive, diplomatic tone someone like, say, Mark Ferguson, takes when dealing with internal union politics versus the combative tone he takes when dealing with an employer.

If Kya were only attacking the men around here that would perhaps be ok--she might then be able to claim she does that because she's advocating on behalf of her membership.

However she publically insulted and humiliated an escort, which leads me to believe that her divisive belligerence is a personality trait, one that is going to prevent her from accomplishing her goals.

 

[fuji]

It's ok Kya. You see men the same way I see women. As a Tool. I can dig it and even respect it. Kindred spirits with opposing sex organs.

I actually disagree with you. I suspect that escorts are not all that well served by the existing advocacy group and that they could benefit significantly from some sort of "union".

I don't think it would be a proper union in the sense of forming a labour monopoly and achieving collective bargaining power, but rather a sort of inclusive advocacy group would probably be of great benefit to escorts.

I don't think there's any reason for such an organization to be a "man hating" organization, although it would inevitably be accused of such simploy for taking pro-escort positions.

It would be great to see such a thing form, as someone who cares much about the welfare of escorts in our city. Plainly you and I would not be members--it does not mean we have to view such an organization negatively though.

My point on this thread is that Kya has not demonstrated the soft skills necessary to build such an organization. She is too belligerent and divisive and will not attract a majority of the escorts in this city into her organization.

That's a shame, because it would have been nice to see such a group form and succeed, and perhaps someone other than Kya would be able to do that, which would have been a good thing.

Equally, Kya, if you are serious about doing this perhaps you could improve your own soft skills. You're going to have to if you want to succeed at this.

You can tell me my opinion doesn't matter but I have a lot of real world experience building and advancing organizations and I can see the errors you are making in your quest to build this group. Everyone can learn and better themselves--so can you--just recognize that you will have to make an attitude adjustment if you want to succeed.

This may all strike you as harsh but it's friendly advice.

 

[Kya_Jean]

Wow - the sky is falling because I told Riley to take down my link. Which she still has up there, which she took without permission. This is the same woman who has publicly started threads to have her profile removed from agencies that she worked for and gave permission to post her info. The same woman who has truly insulted agencies like Cupids and Mirage, her old webmasters {Times 2} and others. All in public. All of it. And yet, she has still be accepted on our site, because she is a working girl.

I love the hypocrisy on here. I really do.

And Fuji - nothing you say is going to be harsh. Again it would have to matter to me for me to feel anything about what you say. Friendly advice, real world expereince - whatever. You know nothing about me. You judge me based on a few smart ass replies here on this forum, but you know nothing about my true being. My personal and professional successes. You only assume based on your personal judgment. So it means nothing. Especially when I and others know the truth.

Now you have said your piece about 20 times, and I have said the same thing in reply. Whenever you are ready to drop it hon, let me know.

 

[Kya_Jean]

Kya in case you do not remember, 2 weeks ago, you lambasted the poor girl regardless of what she did. You the one who speaks for women ripped at her with everything you had.
The end: )

I tried to support at first, then I tried reality posting and showing her what she was doing to herself, then I told her my true personal opinion. And I was not the only one. And it was not the first time. I PMed with her many many times when she was minnie apple. Even tried to help but at that time she hated all clients, all escorts, we were all scum. Bottom feeding mother fuckers who she was so much better than. Then she comes back as Riley and I tried again. So please spare me the water works routinue when you have no idea the whole history.

I am not going to sit here and defend my action against someone who has had no regard for others as well. I was also not the only WOMAN who told RR what was on their mind either, but single me out if it makes you feel good. At least I can take it.

Thanks for coming out and joining the discussion. Until the next thread, have a great day!

 

[fuji]

This is the same woman who

If your defense of your soft skills boils down to claiming that they are better than someone who has become famous for her public flame outs--well I rest my case.

I am not here to tell you what to do, I'm just predicting what will happen. I would rather see you succeed and I've pointed out what changes you will have to make if you want to succeed.

 

[moviefan]

I'm not sure I fully understand how the website is going to work -- will the members have anonymous "handles"? Can non-SPs see what is being posted?

In theory, though, if the SPs are allowed to interact and post their feelings without any risk of offending their customer base, I think the site could be hugely popular.

Kya_Jean may not care what people here think, but I can recall plenty of situations (including one this week) where even popular and friendly SPs have been hurt or angered by things that have been posted here (and, yes, my halo is as tarnished as anyone's).

My guess is there are a lot of SPs who would love to have an outlet to vent. Also, an outlet to ask questions, fraternize, etc.

 

[Kya_Jean]

If your defense of your soft skills boils down to claiming that they are better than someone who has become famous for her public flame outs--well I rest my case.

I am not here to tell you what to do, I'm just predicting what will happen. I would rather see you succeed and I've pointed out what changes you will have to make if you want to succeed.

And I respectfully disagree that I have to make any changes.

I will call a spade a spade too. Sorry but that will not change either. You want to call me out, then fine, but accept that at the same time you are doing that, you are failing in doing it equally across the board and therefore you are a hypocrite, which again is fine. I personally don't care. Just pointing it out.

And I never once said I was better than anyone else, so please sir, do not put words into my mouth.

I'm not sure I fully understand how the website is going to work -- will the members have anonymous "handles"? Can non-SPs see what is being posted?

In theory, though, if the SPs are allowed to interact and post their feelings without any risk of offending their customer base, I think the site could be hugely popular.

Kya_Jean may not care what people here think, but I can recall plenty of situations (including one this week) where even popular and friendly SPs have been hurt or angered by things that have been posted here (and, yes, my halo is as tarnished as anyone's).

My guess is there are a lot of SPs who would love to have an outlet to vent. Also, an outlet to ask questions, fraternize, etc.

There will be alot of SP's who would love this site. However, I can not tell you how the site will be run, just for security reasons mostly. You can join yourself and see what is available to you, but it will be very limited. That is all I will say on the matter.

Have to run all. Will check back later about how much of a big bad horrible bitch I am. I need to now go steal turkey dinners from the homeless to feed to the shithawks down by the lake, since no on thinks about the poor birds anymore.

 

[moviefan]

There will be alot of SP's who would love this site. However, I can not tell you how the site will be run, just for security reasons mostly. You can join yourself and see what is available to you, but it will be very limited. That is all I will say on the matter.

That's what I expected.

I mean, if the site is going to work, you can't really have customers like me having access to what's being said.

 

[Kya_Jean]

That's what I expected.

I mean, if the site is going to work, you can't really have customers like me having access to what's being said.

I do plan on having a section for clients that will be very helpful for the newbie just turing to the dark side, so you can watch out for that. It will take time. I am not about rush with something as important as this industry and how it can be made better.

I may be quick to post here, but not for something I actually take seriously.

 

[beenthere123]

You have some personal issue that you need to resolve, the first one is that big chip on your shoulder.
From what I read on this thread I don't you have the skills to lead anything, but hey what do I know I am only a man.

Well said, and I also agree what Fuji has to say. He is only trying to give advice as you but keeps getting ripped apart.

Guess its my turn for her to rip me apart even though all I am saying is great leaders are the best listeners.

 

[fuji]

You want to call me out, then fine, but accept that at the same time you are doing that, you are failing in doing it equally across the board and therefore you are a hypocrite, which again is fine. I personally don't care. Just pointing it out.

I'm not the one trying to build an inclusive organization. If I were, I would take a very different tack than either you or I have taken.

 

[fuji]

Guess its my turn for her to rip me apart even though all I am saying is great leaders are the best listeners.

It's interesting to look at how a real union leader like Mark Ferguson presents himself. He often shows up as a guy who is angry about the way workers are treated, and belligerently fights on their behalf. He NEVER presents himself as a guy who is angry AT workers, he always presents himself as sympathetic, inclusive, and understanding in that direction.

Moreover he is never just angry and divisive, he always has a point around why he is angry, and he can flip the charm on as soon as he achieves his goals.

He has incredible soft skills; they're required for that job.

(*) All this coming from someone who thinks unions are out of control and a problem in society--but I recognize skill when I see it.

 

[beenthere123]

I'm not the one trying to build an inclusive organization. If I were, I would take a very different tack than either you or I have taken.

Fuji, she has repeatedly said she doesn't want to listen to advices. You have good intentions, but 'She thinks she knows it all' so I think you are just wasting your time. Give it up.

 

[Meesh]

Under the tough love chapter. Note that I'm not the one trying to build the inclusive organization. If I were, I wouldn't post invective.

Too funny.

When she does it, it's rude.

When you do it it's 'tough love' - interesting, since you don't really care, how the 'love' part applies.

Free advice is worth what you pay for it.

Your selling, but nobody's buying.

 

[toughb]

Agreed Fuji but she did far more than that. She assisted in driving someone ( a woman that has had to endure the same things as Kya did as a working girl) to the brink and did so without regard. Now I will leave this thread alone as i believe I have made the point that a woman who wishes to champion the cause of women in this biz does not attack them. Kya in case you do not remember, 2 weeks ago, you lambasted the poor girl regardless of what she did. You the one who speaks for women ripped at her with everything you had.
The end

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Now that's the first thing our Sept 09 poster has said that makes a lot of sense.

The only point that you've really made is that you have a high degree of self importance in your own mind. (244 post in one month)

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[moresex4me]

This thread became useless quite a few pages ago...