Stephen Harper flunked out and became a mail room boy.
Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist.
The exodus from the left
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Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist.
No, it would be called a flat tax rate by the right, and that is what they push for.
You may be confusing percentages with absolutes. Its not your fault. Math is white supremacy.
yeah OK
most of the world has got it wrong but you got it correct ??
here is what has occurred and you still do not have a clue
fyi - you are not the guy named ''me''
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he calls himself a democratic socialist
putting lipstick on a pig
Once again you live in the theatre of the absurd if you truly believe that. Which I doubt, you're just trolling.
MAGA is doing a lot of what the extreme Left has been doing for years, and they justify it by saying the only way to win the culture war is to use the same tactics the Left have been using.
Frankly, I think those who engage in and say that are hypocrites.
Frankly, I think those who engage in and say that are hypocrites.
The people backing the elite billionaires who could care less about them are the easiest marks around.
Johnny Boy, you never cease to amaze me how out of touch with reality you are, but I shouldn’t be surprised. I mean, you believe right-wing talking points like they were the word of god. And posting something from Musk just takes the cake…
But, I do applaud you for trying something new.
The reality is the right has pushed the centre so far to the their side that people who were considered centrists (including republicans and conservatives of good standing) are now called RINOs for not toeing the new extremes. They did it through culture war bullshit, and lamenting that the MSM didn’t cover their stupid, trumped up outrage of crimes or other scandals (like Obama wearing a fucking TAN suit).
But what more can be said about your selective blindness. You have your head buried in the sand.
you are completely oblivious to the left's drift into insanity
- the green new deal was full accepted by the loonie left despite the fact it was fantasy nonsense right from word go, destine to fail and cause hardships - no way that would have had traction 15 years ago
- open boarders was full accepted by the loonie left despite the fact it was going to create housing / health care and social issues- no way that would have had traction 15 years ago
- uncontrolled govt spending and persistent massive govt deficit's was full accepted by the loonie left despite the fact it is mathematically unsustainable, no way that would have had traction 15 years ago
- creation of new genders in lui of phycological support for very confused individuals was full accepted by the loonie left despite the fact this would and has caused much harm to children, no way that would have had traction 15 years ago
- completely ignorant fools supporting a terrorist organization Hamas was full accepted by the loonie left despite the fact a Hamas victory would be a bloodbath and annihilation of a sovereign state -no way that would have had traction 15 years ago
- confiscation of law abiding hunter & farmers rifles was full accepted by the loonie left despite the fact, it will have zero impact on crime- no way that would have had traction 15 years ago
- reduction in sentences and easy bail for violent criminals was full accepted by the loonie left despite the fact this would and has caused crime to increase - no way that would have had traction 15 years ago
- state funded corruption of the media was full accepted by the loonie left despite the fact it is a direct threat to democracy no way that would have had traction 15 years ago
- the ultra evil part was the loonie left insisting their nonsense would be forced onto others
they are progressing rapidly down the road towards world wide poverty, lower living standards, chaos and violent conflict
the real sad part is how oblivious you are to the reality
this will end badly for everyone including the oblivious Lonnie left
you need to wake up
you have embraced a failed ideology
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Wait, I thought being woke was bad? Can you try to be consistent? I mean, you are consistently out to lunch, but c'est la vie...
that's your response to the hard cold facts being laid out for you ??
you prove my point
you are completely oblivious to the left's drift into insanity
What a weird list. None of those are real issues in Canada.
And you still won't call out worse by conservatives.
Something only an delusional culture warrior would say...Since the right has basically already moved the goalposts to the extreme, anything the Left says sounds outrageous. Here is something I've been working on, since it will likely never be seen by anyone here.
Over the last 25 years, the political right in the US has been successful in shifting the definition of the political “centre” toward its own ideological territory, with right-wing media, most prominently Fox News, playing a decisive role. Since its launch in 1996, Fox News has cultivated a constant narrative frame in which conservative priorities are presented as common-sense, mainstream positions, while progressive policies are cast as dangerous or fringe. The repetition of themes such as tax cuts, deregulation, strong border enforcement, and skepticism toward climate change has normalized these stances in the national conversation. Over time, what was once the conservative edge became the perceived centre, especially as other media outlets responded to Fox-driven discourses to avoid alienating audiences.
In the post-9/11 era, Fox News capitalized on national security fears to position aggressive foreign policy and expanded domestic surveillance as reasonable, even necessary, bipartisan goals. During the Obama years, its coverage relentlessly painted centrist Democratic measures—like the Affordable Care Act—as radical socialism. This framing pushed Democrats to adopt more right-leaning rhetoric and approach policy from a defensive posture, unwilling to embrace initiatives that Fox and its aligned media would quickly brand as extremist. By saturating the public sphere with this narrative, the network aided in narrowing the range of acceptable debate, making culturally and economically conservative policies the default “middle ground.”
The Trump presidency intensified this effect. Fox News acted not merely as a conservative outlet but as an ideological amplifier, portraying Trump’s hardline immigration policies, deregulatory agenda, and culture-war positions as mainstream—often without acknowledging how far they deviated from historical centrism. In treating these stances as baseline political common sense, Fox helped cement a new centre that is distinctly further to the right than it was in the early 2000s. Even after Trump, this framing persists, shaping electoral debates and reinforcing a political climate where progressive ideas are automatically excluded from centrist consideration.
You can pretend that the centre is now left. It is not. Anyone with half a brain (which, even with that low bar, you seem unqualified) would be able to see this shift. But, since you are a one-trick pony filled with right-wing talking points and culture war slogans, you only see something like the belief that people how are Trans as actually people as some sort of extreme left move.
you are completely out to lunch pretending the us democrats and the Canadian liberal party have not taken huge steps to the left
In the post-9/11 era, Fox News capitalized on national security fears to position aggressive foreign policy and expanded domestic surveillance as reasonable, even necessary, bipartisan goals. During the Obama years, its coverage relentlessly painted centrist Democratic measures—like the Affordable Care Act—as radical socialism. This framing pushed Democrats to adopt more right-leaning rhetoric and approach policy from a defensive posture, unwilling to embrace initiatives that Fox and its aligned media would quickly brand as extremist. By saturating the public sphere with this narrative, the network aided in narrowing the range of acceptable debate, making culturally and economically conservative policies the default “middle ground.”
The Trump presidency intensified this effect. Fox News acted not merely as a conservative outlet but as an ideological amplifier, portraying Trump’s hardline immigration policies, deregulatory agenda, and culture-war positions as mainstream—often without acknowledging how far they deviated from historical centrism. In treating these stances as baseline political common sense, Fox helped cement a new centre that is distinctly further to the right than it was in the early 2000s. Even after Trump, this framing persists, shaping electoral debates and reinforcing a political climate where progressive ideas are automatically excluded from centrist consideration.
You can pretend that the centre is now left. It is not. Anyone with half a brain (which, even with that low bar, you seem unqualified) would be able to see this shift. But, since you are a one-trick pony filled with right-wing talking points and culture war slogans, you only see something like the belief that people how are Trans as actually people as some sort of extreme left move.
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and you comically claim that you do not blindly adhere to a political ideology
unbelievable
that steaming pile of excrement completely lacks any objectivity , which again circles back to your inability to accept the lefts drift towards socialism/ communism
As you get older and crankier you get more and more extreme right wing.
You lost any sense of greater good, community or moral standing.
Now all you want are tax cuts and service cuts, damn the consequences.
Oh, I guess I need to rebut this right-wing fantasy bullshit that Johnny boy seems to think is legit...Which is just plain sad.
Really? I hate to burst your bubble (actually, I doubt you'll even read this) but the right is the ones that force their beliefs on everyone. Abortion? Nope, the righties are the ones that decide what someone can do with their bodies, unironically....The extremist right has been responsible for virtually all the political violence in the US over the past 30 years. From the Oklahoma City bombings to so many mass shootings and assassinations (or attempted assassinations) or left-leaning politicians. That is evil. The fact that the right wants to strip away rights from people is evil. Denying healthcare or food assistance to kids is evil.
I will point to two widely celebrated Conservative ideals, and we can see how "successful" a conservative ideology really is.
First, trickle-down economics. Proposed by Ronald Reagan and became Conservative doctrine over the past 40 years. Basically, tax cuts for the rich will see increased money for the lower class/poor. The theory, the tide lifts all boats. Instead, the rich saw their incomes and wealth grow while wages for middle- and lower-income workers barely moved. Good-paying manufacturing jobs disappeared, public services were underfunded, and the cost of living kept rising faster than paycheques. Rather than lifting everyone up, trickle-down policies widened the gap between the rich and everyone else, leaving most Americans working harder just to stay in place.
Now, let's look at the Conservative wetdream of the "Kansas Experiment". Governor Sam Brownback (GOP), who decided to build on Reagan's ideas, and cut taxes for everyone, believing this would spur economic activity. However, it backfired: instead of growing, Kansas’ economy lagged behind, state revenues dropped by hundreds of millions, and funding for schools and roads had to be cut. Many who benefited were big companies or people who found loopholes to avoid taxes, making the situation worse. By 2017, even the Republican-controlled legislature voted to reverse the tax cuts, overriding Brownback’s veto.
So, go and pretend that you have any clue as to what the fuck you just spewed out above. You are clueless. That is not up for debate. You are only good at regurgitating right-wing talking points and culture war outrage. This is why nobody really gives a flying fuck to what you put up here.
Calling the U.S. Green New Deal “fantasy nonsense” misses the point (I know I'm shocked since this is coming from you, a person who makes so many good-faith arguments....). The plan isn’t a dream, it’s a bold response to the climate crisis and a way to create jobs while protecting the planet. Big ideas like the Roosevelt's original New Deal or the space race once seemed impossible too, but they changed the country for the better. The Green New Deal calls for clean energy, better infrastructure, and fair wages, recognizing that small fixes aren’t enough anymore. And, oddly, the GOP has been against fairly mainstream things like improved infrastructure or fair wages...Why is that??
Only the Extreme Right would say something as stupid as this. I mean, seriously? Who the hell called for open boarders? I mean, in your MAGA fantasy world, maybe. But in reality, nobody on the majority left has ever said anything like that. Now, in Canada there was an increase in immigration that was handled poorly, but it was not an open boarder. Again, you are delusional.
Are we talking about Canada or the US here? Because Mango Mussolini blew up the US Deficit and debt. Now, if we talk about Canada, Harper started a trend when he was elected and we saw a surge in government spending, after inheriting an economy from the Liberals with balanced budgets. He was trying to reduce it, but the majority of his budgets were in the red. And, last I checked....that was 15 years ago.
Oh, great, more culture war bullshit. I mean, I really hate to burst your bigot bubble, but Major medical organizations, including the American Medical Association (AMA), American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the American Psychiatric Association (APA) endorse evidence-based, age-appropriate gender-affirming care. Ignoring the problem probably causes more harm to children, but I guess you'd rather see them kill themselves then live as another gender. Which....I guess is an extremist right-wing view, so maybe that is spot on. I should also point out that you apparently believe populist rhetoric instead of science....I mean, you have already shown you support of anti-climate change evidence.
Yeah, it's amazing how quickly the extreme right embraced fascism....Oh, wait. Sorry. Where are the mainstream leftists who support Hamas? Calling people who support Palestinians “terrorist supporters” ignores how complex the conflict really is. Fifteen years ago, most discussions about Israel and Hamas focused on security and US policy. Now, more people are speaking out about human rights and the suffering in Gaza. Supporting peace and justice for Palestinians doesn’t mean supporting Hamas, it means wanting an end to violence on both sides. But, I know being a righty means having no ability to see nuance, everything MUST be in black or white...
Why does the extreme right have a gun fetish? Do you masterbate to back issues of Guns & Ammo? Now, does this program lower crime? Maybe. One way criminals acquire guns in Canada is threw theft, stealing them from lawful gun owners. The other is smuggling them up from the US. Now, we can wax and wane about gun violence, and how jurisdictions with strict gun laws see virtually no mass shootings, but I understand that for you, preventing something that hasn't happened is a waste of money...I should also point out that in Canada, you have no right to own a firearm. It is regulated. We are not the US (though I know how much you probably long to join them) and have to history of widespread gun ownership. Or mass shootings for the most part....
Bail and sentencing rules are shaped by laws, court decisions, and evidence about what works—not just political ideology. And, while the federal government creates the laws, it is the provinces that control the administration of justice, including the bail system. Sounds like you might like to take this up with Doug Ford. Also, what the fuck are you talking about, reducing sentences for violent crime? That just hasn't happened. I know you live in right-wing fantasy land, but WTF? Now, yes, violent crime is rising in Canada. But, to blame that on anybody is pretty fucking stup--..er, I forgot who I was rebutting....Also, statistics show violent crime was rising during Harper's time as PM. Does he get a pass because he's Conservative?
WTF are you talking about? Is it the CBC or could it be Post Media, which controls the most papers across this country? I honestly don't know how to even respond to you, since you are clearly living in fantasy land. Are you going to say that the Liberal plan giving subsidies to media orgs has stopped them from reporting on them? I seem to recall both the CBC, the Star and National Post crucifying Trudeau for his several missteps. I mean, how did you hear about them? Smoke signals from other silly extremist righties? Like, honestly, it is so exhausting talking to someone who just makes up bullshit as he goes, and obviously has no idea what the fuck he's saying...but says it with full conviction. It's the Dunning-Kruger effect in real time. Oh, wait that's science, so you probably won't believe it...
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Really? I hate to burst your bubble (actually, I doubt you'll even read this) but the right is the ones that force their beliefs on everyone. Abortion? Nope, the righties are the ones that decide what someone can do with their bodies, unironically....The extremist right has been responsible for virtually all the political violence in the US over the past 30 years. From the Oklahoma City bombings to so many mass shootings and assassinations (or attempted assassinations) or left-leaning politicians. That is evil. The fact that the right wants to strip away rights from people is evil. Denying healthcare or food assistance to kids is evil.
We are progressive. We are constantly dragging our slower, less intelligent brethren on the right into the future. We don't believe in the Extreme Right's regressive ideology, which wants to see black people and women out of power, or working in the back. We are the ones who want to see people earn a living wage and be able to put food on their table and have shelter over their heads. We believe that regulations that protect the weakest are probably the most important. And your regressive ideology is a total loser. It is conservative policies that have led to a massive widening of the gap between the rich and poor.
I will point to two widely celebrated Conservative ideals, and we can see how "successful" a conservative ideology really is.
First, trickle-down economics. Proposed by Ronald Reagan and became Conservative doctrine over the past 40 years. Basically, tax cuts for the rich will see increased money for the lower class/poor. The theory, the tide lifts all boats. Instead, the rich saw their incomes and wealth grow while wages for middle- and lower-income workers barely moved. Good-paying manufacturing jobs disappeared, public services were underfunded, and the cost of living kept rising faster than paycheques. Rather than lifting everyone up, trickle-down policies widened the gap between the rich and everyone else, leaving most Americans working harder just to stay in place.
Now, let's look at the Conservative wetdream of the "Kansas Experiment". Governor Sam Brownback (GOP), who decided to build on Reagan's ideas, and cut taxes for everyone, believing this would spur economic activity. However, it backfired: instead of growing, Kansas’ economy lagged behind, state revenues dropped by hundreds of millions, and funding for schools and roads had to be cut. Many who benefited were big companies or people who found loopholes to avoid taxes, making the situation worse. By 2017, even the Republican-controlled legislature voted to reverse the tax cuts, overriding Brownback’s veto.
So, go and pretend that you have any clue as to what the fuck you just spewed out above. You are clueless. That is not up for debate. You are only good at regurgitating right-wing talking points and culture war outrage. This is why nobody really gives a flying fuck to what you put up here.
Jesus John, you're really going to hate the last thing I posted...
LOL. But, you once again prove the point that you cannot think critically or actually think for yourself. You're the type of useful idiot who Mango Mussolini could be pissing in your face but tell you it was raining, and you would believe him. Fuck, you'd probably thank him. If anyone is out to lunch, it is you. But, keep swinging buddy, maybe you'll hit on a salient point sometime in the future...Or an actual original thought...
