The election litigation thread
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Well, as a matter of undisputed fact, Trump is making a claim to victory, thereby DISPUTING Biden's claim, and is pursuing his claim in both the courts and before the State legislatures. Doesn't Twitter believe in facts? Apparently, their interest in informing their users is selective.
Trump did say that Biden has to prove he got 80 million before he takes the White House...very reasonable eh...
I have stopped watching this man lie...I am not a journalist and I am not being paid for it, so why bother. He numerous times boldly claimed victory, attacking extra millions of votes for biden as fake because he cannot accept that he is so hated that those extra millions of people who didn't care as much for obama and didn't vote for obama now went and vote against him.
Reality is he cannot possibly know whether ANY significant number of those ballots were fake (let alone that they are likely not). Claiming what you don't know to be true is a definition of a lie. Pinocchio is dwarfed by this disgusting man.
Trump's no lawyer. He was crudely expressing one of the legal arguments being made by his legal team - that the election results disclose a number of statistical anamolies that, when considered together, shift the burden of proof to the responding parties to explain, and in the absence of a persuasive explanation, justify the request for an audit of the election and/or other relief. Trump knows better than to try to talk with the precision of a lawyer, and also knows better than to try to communicate to the general public that way.
However, taken in context, Trump's statement did not suggest that he gets to remain President without winning a legal case or without decertification of the vote by the applicable State legislatures.
Sure, S, and the Maple Leafs are making a claim they won the Stanley Cup.
Why won't twitter or Parler take that seriously?
By the way, I hear Parler has become mostly porn, congrats, at least you'll get some wanking out of it.
No, S, there are no statistical anomalies that have to be taken seriously.
Instead, S, its just a bunch of feelies that something nefarious must have happened because Trump did only 3% better on the election than polls indicated.
When the absolute best that Trump's team can come up with is some wacko lady who had theories of evil doing food delivery vans you really should give up.
Your definition is incorrect. Claiming something that you believe in good faith to be true, which you are ultimately unable to prove, is not a lie. Claiming something to be true that you know to be false is a lie. To lie is to attempt to deceive, not simply to fail to prove.
In every legal suit, one side will win and and one side will lose. The losing side will have made claims that they could not prove to the court. That doesn't make them liars. It means their evidence was not persuasive. There is no exact science to determine in advance of trial what evidence will be persuasive. Reasonable people can disagree about what is persuasive. Often, the unsuccessful party in a civil case is genuinely shocked that the court was not persuaded by their evidence, and their shock can be reasonably justified.
A delivery van was seen near where Maple Leaf was training. The driver looked Venezuelan. Everybody knows it has been emitting high frequency waves that cause players make grave mistakes. Stop the Steal!
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Again, you confuse and complicate to no reasonable conclusion...Biden won the election and Trump is being a sore loser...
No he wasn't...he was acting like an unreasonable sore loser...he doesn't know better, if he did he would have accepted defeat with some class.
He is the supplemental affidavit of Carone:
As you can see, her principal allegation is that she witnessed election workers reinserting the same batches of physical ballots into the voting machines multiple times, thereby counting the same votes (which happened to be batches that favoured Biden), several times over. At the hearing before the Michigan House, she testified that this happened to the extent of perhaps as many as 100,000 votes. If true, that's a serious matter. This is for the benefit of those who may have been misled to believe her principal testimony pertained to the overnight delivery of ballots to the TCF.
As you can see, her principal allegation is that she witnessed election workers reinserting the same batches of physical ballots into the voting machines multiple times, thereby counting the same votes (which happened to be batches that favoured Biden), several times over. At the hearing before the Michigan House, she testified that this happened to the extent of perhaps as many as 100,000 votes. If true, that's a serious matter. This is for the benefit of those who may have been misled to believe her principal testimony pertained to the overnight delivery of ballots to the TCF.
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If you were in Trump's shoes, informed of the information that he has been, you would have no concerns that fraud may have taken place? You wouldn't pursue an investigation and/or challenge the election in the courts and before the legislatures?
Hey S, she's not trustworthy, her testimony and affidavit were submitted to a court previously and the judge rejected them as untrustworthy.
For instance, she lied about her education.
In a ruling on November 13, Judge Timothy Kenny of the Third Judicial Circuit Court of Michigan invalidated the affidavits Giuliani mentioned. The judge ruled that the claims regarding the nature and quantity of the ballots were speculations at best and sinister at worst.
I don't think it went like that...Trump was informed that there was no widespread fraud but still insisted to have Rudy investigate...Trump said in March there was going to be widespread fraud and that was before anybody voted!
Such a credible source she is...
Witness at Giuliani's voter hearing says 'all Chinese look alike'
At Wednesday's Michigan House Oversight Committee hearing, the woman said that voter ID requirements were crucial as people could claim they were anyone when voting.
Rudy Shushes Unhinged ‘Witness’ During Election Hearing
The Trump legal team presented Mellissa Carone for testimony despite a judge already declaring her allegations as “simply not credible.”
S, it didn't happen like that.
Trump was a sore loser, refused to admit he lost and all the yes men around him didn't have the balls to tell him the truth.
Trump was ‘muttering, I won, I won, like ‘Mad King George’ after election defeat, report says
President ‘scrambled for an escape hatch from reality’ according to The Washington Post
