Would you hire Guiliani if you needed a lawyer?
I'd love to hire Ellis for 60 minutes. I'd even allow her to screen me and pay her more than $250 an hour but not as my lawyer.
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I'd love to hire Ellis for 60 minutes. I'd even allow her to screen me and pay her more than $250 an hour but not as my lawyer.
To be fair...Jenna Ellis I'm sure would be ok if she had a case that had a chance of winning, awfully hard to reverse an election...
watching the insane testimony of Michigan “witness” Melissa Carone I can only conclude one thing... Dutchie is in love.
When I was a teenager, I used to go to a large Christmas party at my grandparents house every year. There were many grandchildren on that side of my family, and I was the eldest by quite a few years. As a game, all the little ones just loved to attack me as a group, just like the Lilliputians in Gullivers Travels, minus the ingenuity and ropes. What made this amusing (for all involved) is that it didn't matter how many of them ganged up, there was no way for them to win the game. They were too overmatched . I could shed them like ants off the back of a bull. Of course, the whole game was in good fun, and no one had any genuine (but maybe some pretend) malice towards one another.
I am reminded of this because it's Christmas time, and because this is the TERB politics forum.
I watched the entirety of the hearing. There were two problems during the testimony of this witness. One, she was the kind of person who simply says what they want to say, rather that than being surgically responsive to the questions asked of her. Two, there were two Democratic representatives on the committee whose behaviour could only be described as outrageous, and who were were ruled out of order by the Chair on numerous occasions. This witness was clearly irritated by their behaviour (most normal people would be), and Guiliani was trying to get her back on the rails so she would at least listen to the entirety of the latest outlandish question from one of them. It didn't work.
In any hearing, a trier of fact is very likely to have to rely on ordinary people who lack patience, organized communication skills, or even a reasonable vocabulary to describe what they saw. Nevertheless, such people are often the best, or only witnesses to important events. A trier of fact can't simply dismiss them because they may be hard to understand or hard to restrain within the normal decorum of the court. If their evidence is important, you just have to have the patience to hear it and extract what clarication you can. The Democrat members of this committee were engaged in the opposite exercise. They were attempting to intimidate her as well as paint her testimony as more confusing than it actually was.
My 4 year old cousins used to say the same thing. All of us have since learned that victory is not something you can simply declare, and can also often be hard to define.
Did the witness sound as ridiculous as Sidney Powell...or any Trump campaign member? And as the 1-35 record shows 'trier of fact' has made there opinions known.
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So you are comparing your 4 year old cousin to Trump, who has declared victory?
LOL the irony
the orange face man is still on the level of your 4 year old cousins
The witness didn't sound ridiculous at all, just a little disorganized and clearly distressed by all of the negative intimidation she received on social media and elsewhere as a result of her providing an affidavit.
Now, what was ridiculous was the behaviour of 2 Democrat members of the Committee. One of them asked Guiliani (who was appearing as counsel, and not a fact witness) "whether he and Trump considered themselves to be honest people". Of course, the question was ruled out of order by the Chair, but not before the member's tirade could only be brought to an end by turning off her mic.
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Trump's declaration of victory is about as relevant to me as Biden's declaration of victory, pending a proper audit of the election. I understand Trump's political motivation for making the claim, but I'll make up my own mind once the issues that have been raised are properly addressed and disposed of. By contrast, your post is no better than the Trump claim you criticize.
Don't you find it at least amusing that Twitter flags Trumps victory claims as "disputed", but doesn't flag Biden's assumption of victory similarly? I do.
Did you watch Trump's statement yesterday about his election challenges? He's not taking the position that he doesn't have to prove his claim. He's not saying his mere declaration of victory makes it so. His statement made it clear that unless he can convince the courts or the state legislatures that he won, Biden will be President.LOL the irony
Or maybe you (and your fellow travellers) don't appreciate the distinction.
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That's the way you posted in the James Fields/Charlotesville threads as well.
Same result coming, by the way.
What name will you use next time?
Melissa Carone, whose theory is based on seeing vans arrive on her one and only shift and claiming they weren't there to deliver food they were there to steal votes, mwhahahaha.
How crappy a witness do you have to be to get Rudy to try to shush you at a hearing?
Trump campaign’s star witness in Michigan was deemed ‘not credible.’ Then, her loud testimony went viral.
Even Lou Dobbs thought she was a wacko.
Fox News "Voter Fraud" Interview Goes Horribly Wrong
Melissa Carone, a supposed whistleblower, went on Fox Business network to be interviewed by Lou Dobbs. She is one of the dozens...
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All the states certified the results showing that Biden won.
Trump and your claims are S
