The Docks lose their liquor license.

[oldjones]

It's easy to be macho and call the islanders "anal"--which they certainly are, no disagreement there.

BUT the reality is that when sound has nothing to be absorbed by--such as with the buildings downtown close to clubs--it can be punishingly loud, and the reports of houses shaking on the island are completely within reason, and totally unacceptable. Remember that the Docks was created because the owners knew--or assumed--that they could crank the shit out of there and not be faced with the same shut-downs they would for sure get in "the city".

It's interesting that music and car stereos and the general stress we are all under has skyrocketed, but in our heads we still view it as the same as it ever was---"stop whining!" "wear earplugs" "move to the wilderness"

Noise pollution is getting to brutal levels, and it causes untold stress to our bodies and psyches. We don't take it seriously. You don't play by the rules of the community, you get your license yanked. Don't blame the city, blame the idiot owners.

Agreed 110% Why should anyone have to listen to someone else's "entertainment"? If it can be heard outside your property, it's public, and the public may—and I think should—come down hard on your trespass. Keep your noise to yourself and we'll all get along just fine.

 

[masterchief]

Except for the fact that during the lenghty bylaw trial it was dicsovered that almost 60% of the noise complaints from the Island residents were on dates that the Docks were not even operational.

So this is a nice forshadowing about what the whole imgianry waterfront development will be like. Will every entertainment venture be under threat of 700 assholes living in Lake Ontario. The Docks is the only business venture to actually develop a section of the portlands into a viable business (that contributes millions into Toronto's economy) without any public funding.

Once again we are in a municpal election year and the no tax paying Nimby Island residents are flexing thier political will on the rest of the city. Much like the whole island airport debacle, and the rest of us will lap it up.

 

[Mao Tse Tongue]

Except for the fact that during the lenghty bylaw trial it was dicsovered that almost 60% of the noise complaints from the Island residents were on dates that the Docks were not even operational.

So this is a nice forshadowing about what the whole imgianry waterfront development will be like. Will every entertainment venture be under threat of 700 assholes living in Lake Ontario. The Docks is the only business venture to actually develop a section of the portlands into a viable business (that contributes millions into Toronto's economy) without any public funding.

Once again we are in a municpal election year and the no tax paying Nimby Island residents are flexing thier political will on the rest of the city. Much like the whole island airport debacle, and the rest of us will lap it up.

It's nimbyism to want some peace and quiet, some relief from pouding bass that affects only you and not the rest of the city? Part of the reason people choose to live on the island is to escape the noise. Is that unreasonable if you're prepared to move to actually get some p+q?

This is all an intellectual decision until you're confronted with being unable to sleep night after night, and then you just want to kill.

You make it sound like somehow the tax base will go up in flames if they shut down one obvious noise offender. Absurd, c'mon.

 

[Blake659]

Of course they can have the liquor licence...

ITS the nosie that got them in trouble. can you have on ewith out the other...i guess we'll see!!!

 

[masterchief]

It's nimbyism to want some peace and quiet, some relief from pouding bass that affects only you and not the rest of the city? Part of the reason people choose to live on the island is to escape the noise. Is that unreasonable if you're prepared to move to actually get some p+q?

The noise caused by the Docks is not even close to the noise of the party boats and of the yacht club. I’ve worked at night along the waterfront and the noise is not that bad, no more noisy than living near the airport of the Gardiner. So since we've allowed for development near the Gardiner should we impose noise restrictions for after hours driving as well?

As for escaping noise, would you then live next to an airport, near an active port and major shipping lanes?

The whole Docks debacle is now almost 5 years in the making and really stems back to the residents of the Island (with their 99 year tax free leases) imposing their left-leaning willpower on the City.

Isn’t it odd that after 5 years of chest thumping by the City and the TEDCO not even one iota of work has been done to the waterfront?

You make it sound like somehow the tax base will go up in flames if they shut down one obvious noise offender. Absurd, c'mon.

Actually yes, the trickle down effect of the closure of a large complex such as the Docks affects a multitude of businesses. Aside from the property tax revenue to the city and the payroll taxes of the employees, you have the beverage distributors, the food distributors, and every supplier to the Docks. Going further what about the costs incurred by patrons, such as gasoline used to drive there, clothes purchased to go clubbing, print shops who would print up flyers, etc.

It's very naive to not think that the closure of any business does not cause a ripple effect in the local economy. In the entertainment business for each $1.00 there is an exponential effect of $10.00 to the economy.

 

[DATYdude]

I think the difference is that the noise from the Docks was outdoors, whereas in the club district it's indoors.

Also, I don't think the noise complaints would have been effective if the noise had stopped at 11pm, but it's not fair that people should have to be subject to that kind of noise until 2 am or later, people have to work, kids have to go to school etc...

And if you want to party all the time, MAYBE YOU SHOULD MOVE TO IBIZA!

 

[Esco!]

It's very naive to not think that the closure of any business does not cause a ripple effect in the local economy. In the entertainment business for each $1.00 there is an exponential effect of $10.00 to the economy.

Thats bullshit cause employees will simply work somewhere else, and partygoers will find other venues

 

[Brookstone]

so they get rid of the noise at the docks. BUT theres is the wakestock coming on on the island in a few weeks. 2nd year in a row now. I'm surprised they didnt put a fight against that, or at least we havent heard about it.
I would think wakestock would be pretty loud as well with all the rock bands playing.
Missed it last year, but definitely want to check it out this year. anyone else?

 

[Cobster]

Thats bullshit cause employees will simply work somewhere else, and partygoers will find other venues

Yep yep...LOT332, FLUID, TONIC, DISTRIKT, REPUBLIK, EASY ON THE 5TH...
to name a few...woo wooo

 

[ruck]

I'll take a neutral stance.

On one hand, I feel for the island residents. Water, as many of you know, is a great sound deflector. It doesn't absorb sound it deflects it. With a huge span of water like Lake Ontario, the sound of a single voice can be heard across the water from the harbor to the island, if the person yelled loud enough and the background was silent. Now try to imagine the lowest base frequency that is able to be picked up by our fragile ears and then add beats that go up to 195 bpm (beats per minute) and cranked to super high decibels, you bet your ass the people on the island are getting a good sound check on the festivities going on at the Docks.

However, the residents of the islands are only part time residents. They don't really pay taxes for the property, they are seperated from the mainland AND they know that the harborfront is packed with visitors and will at times get a bit frisky and loud.

To say that the residents have been there longer is a farce. The buildings have been there longer but you can't know how long the residence have.

The only non-neutral stance I have is with the City council. What on earth are they trying to make Toronto into? Why all the hoopla over music. Would the island residents feel the same way if it was Johnny Cash blaring or Elvis or some other icon from the past? Would they complain about the Rolling Stones or The Travelling WIlbury's? I'm guessing not. And before any of you say that the decibles are lower, so what. It mostly comes from the kind of music. Since it's not exactly what the island residence would be playing their own radios or cd players, they probably don't want to hear it AT ALL.

 

[ruck]

I'll take a neutral stance.

On one hand, I feel for the island residents. Water, as many of you know, is a great sound deflector. It doesn't absorb sound it deflects it. With a huge span of water like Lake Ontario, the sound of a single voice can be heard across the water from the harbor to the island, if the person yelled loud enough and the background was silent. Now try to imagine the lowest base frequency that is able to be picked up by our fragile ears and then add beats that go up to 195 bpm (beats per minute) and cranked to super high decibels, you bet your ass the people on the island are getting a good sound check on the festivities going on at the Docks.

However, the residents of the islands are only part time residents. They don't really pay taxes for the property, they are seperated from the mainland AND they know that the harborfront is packed with visitors and will at times get a bit frisky and loud.

To say that the residents have been there longer is a farce. The buildings have been there longer but you can't know how long the residence have.

The only non-neutral stance I have is with the City council. What on earth are they trying to make Toronto into? Why all the hoopla over music. Would the island residents feel the same way if it was Johnny Cash blaring or Elvis or some other icon from the past? Would they complain about the Rolling Stones or The Travelling WIlbury's? I'm guessing not. And before any of you say that the decibles are lower, so what. It mostly comes from the kind of music. Since it's not exactly what the island residence would be playing their own radios or cd players, they probably don't want to hear it AT ALL.

You know what, screw the neutral stance. Tell the island people to fuck off. LOL (I'm just saying that so I can have an opposite stand point as KWI. )

 

[Cobster]

lmao

 

[Esco!]

Yep yep...LOT332, FLUID, TONIC, DISTRIKT, REPUBLIK, EASY ON THE 5TH...
to name a few...woo wooo

Hey Cobmeister, check your PM box

 

[Back Burner]

Did I hear that the Docks got there license back?

 

[gottagetsomeluvin]

Yep they got it back. I have used that venue and the Docks are really paranoid about the noise restrictions. We had to work with their sound crew to make sure that the noise level could only go to a certain decibel level. I know they have been working hard to stay within the noise restrictions.

I don't work for the Docks, I am not affiliated with the Docks, actually they ripped me off big time on pricing so I don't have any events at the Docks anymore. But I do know they work hard on controlling their noise level. I think they have gotten blamed for some of the noise that were generated elsewhere.

 

[goodtime]

Did I hear that the Docks got there license back?

Today's edition of Tor Star did a full page write-up on them & island residents.

 

[Berlin]

Yep they got it back

... and so exactly a surprise.

 

[shai]

If licences are going to be revoded it should happen here people get hurt first.

When I was growing up in Montreal. You almost count on losing your licence after the 2nd shooting. (Kinda like a dog getting the first bite.)

Present that to the owners and something similar for OD's and they'll start to really stomp down on things. If you want to get a businessman's attention, threaten his cash flow.

Everything else is meaningless.

regrds

Shai

 

[ryick]

Told ya!!! no worries for the docks!