The Docks lose their liquor license.

[Brookstone]

yes thats 1 thing i dont understand either, i would think ppl who live right in entertainment district above the clubs, lounges etc, would be hearing the music more clear, loud than the toronto island ppl who live 1 km away.
But guess we'll never know just exactly what they mean unless you've actually stayed on the island before.
Has anyone?? had experience being on the island during club nite
is there no hobbyists from the island?

The docks have their system to moitor the levels and they said they always keep it below. If thats the case, they arent really breaking any lawys. And after countless warnings, if they did violate the noise by laws, i'm sure they would know sooner or later that there would be repercussions that might not be favorable to them. That doesnt make sense for the docks to keep doing that, especially knowing the ppl on the island will keep a close eye on them.

The monitor thing, whatever you call you,should be able to record the noice levels. Right now i dont think anyone really has any evidence as to whether its lounder than its suppose to be, now i guess its just he says she says kinda thing.

 

[frankcastle]

But Mao,

This is not the only place the pumps out a huge racket.

I used the comfort zone as an example because it's at college and spadina and the next street west of spadina is all residential houses. They get blasted with music all night long and well into the morning.

All of little italy and the clubs in that area are as close to residential homes as can be. They must suffer through a huge racket.

In the club distrcit there are many condos in that area they all get blasted with noise too.

My point is let's not pretend that the docks and the residents neaer the docks are the only people in this situation.

 

[frankcastle]

Apparently the noise levels have been measured and they exceed them. The club owners claim that the sound techs monitor the levels but that when you add a 1000 screaming people that's what pushes it over the edge.

I think the show on TV made another good point 350 or so people are going to be out jobs...... many of which have gone to school to be trained in various areas.

World class city yeah right........

 

[DATYdude]

The City has a noise by-law and its fair that no matter where you live, you have a right to not be disturbed by excessive noise at all hours.

As between private parties a person can sue where another causes what's referred to in law as "nuisance" that keeps someone from "enjoyment" of their property.

The Docks situation was one where the owner just didn't care about the residents. There were plenty of opportunities for lowering the volume outside and the club would still have been busy and woudn't have lost its license.

It's just a further indication or how people have lost any sense of civility toward each other.

Another pet peeve of mine which shows the same thing is litter, which in the last 20 years has become a major problem in the city.

 

[greenii]

the liquor license is what the city and province has to keep you in line,all by laws are kept in force by the threat of losing your license, now the docks no longer has one and now are only subject to is 100-200 dollar noise fines,i think they would rather just pay fines and they might crank it up real load now just to get back at island rez. maybe they should of suspended or threaten to suspend unless they turn it down,they are still open for biz and will do concerts there might get louder, just a thought.

 

[Brookstone]

ya a lot of ppl is going to be out of jobs, and remember, majority of workers are students, trying to save up money in the summer for school. Plus, i dont know if they still have this, but they used to have some sort of a exchange program. The summer i worked, they had bunch of Irish kids coming in and working for them in the summer. great way to gain experience and travel to another country.
Cant imagine what these employees are feeling, must be preety pissed that what seemed like a good job at first turned out to be a bummer. you go from making good money 1 nighte than the next day the club loses it license, can it get any worst.
But if they were to hold all ages parties all the time now instead of regular 19+ events, wouldnt the place still be packed by little underagers??
never been to all ages parties, dont know the demand, popularity etc.
When they had summerrush there few years ago, i remember at least 90% was underagers and it was packed!!

 

[Mao Tse Tongue]

But Mao,

This is not the only place the pumps out a huge racket.

I used the comfort zone as an example because it's at college and spadina and the next street west of spadina is all residential houses. They get blasted with music all night long and well into the morning.

All of little italy and the clubs in that area are as close to residential homes as can be. They must suffer through a huge racket.

In the club distrcit there are many condos in that area they all get blasted with noise too.

My point is let's not pretend that the docks and the residents neaer the docks are the only people in this situation.

You guys are missing the difference: noise levels are much, much lower in the city precisely because people are close by. The Docks was set up with the idea that they could get away with incredibly high levels of thump if you placed it in that non-residential area. They could NEVER get away with that level if they were on Adelaide at John or whatever. People would go apeshit.

I'll tell you this: when Caribana has their high volume festival on the islands every year, the sound can be incredible for those in the area near the Distillery and east end waterfront. My house shook one year. You have nothing to filter or block the noise as you do in the city. Big difference.

 

[Meister]

Island people are a bit anal. They think they are masters of everything that goes on around the island. They raise a stink about the island airport, the bridge, the noise, the property taxes. Next they'll complain about all the nakedness on Hanlan's point.

If you want a quiet existence with butterflies and the sound of loons move to damn North Bay. They keep forgetting they are in the middle of a world class city. Can you imagine some residents with a sign showing up at Times Square NYC complaining about the noise?

And btw, why is noone complaining about the Guvernment?

Only in Toronto.

 

[red]

http://www.citymayors.com/environment/nyc_noise.html

 

[Esco!]

To a minimum, indeed. But like how ?

Well for starters no more open air concerts, keep the indoor decibel levels to a minimum and have by-law officers run spotchecks every week to make sure they comply. That would be my way of handling things.

The Docks will have to give a little but IMO the island residents also have to give an inch here or there.

 

[Berlin]

You think that's even realistic, viable ?

We'll see how the appeal goes.

 

[Esco!]

You think that's even realistic, viable ?

There are lots of condo buildings around the entertainment district and somehow it seems to work, so why cant it work at the Docks?????

 

[Meister]

I had to deal with some ravers having parties where I onced lived and I thought
those low frequencies would drive me insane.

Just take some E and the insanity will turn into euphoria.

 

[basketcase]

Island people are a bit anal. They think they are masters of everything that goes on around the island. They raise a stink about the island airport, the bridge, the noise, the property taxes. Next they'll complain about all the nakedness on Hanlan's point.
...

I'm of the same opinion. They always bug me complaining whether or not it's justified.

 

[frankcastle]

Just goes to show if you have money and complain long enough something will happen. For the rest of the poor schlubs... learn to live with it.

 

[Mao Tse Tongue]

It's easy to be macho and call the islanders "anal"--which they certainly are, no disagreement there.

BUT the reality is that when sound has nothing to be absorbed by--such as with the buildings downtown close to clubs--it can be punishingly loud, and the reports of houses shaking on the island are completely within reason, and totally unacceptable. Remember that the Docks was created because the owners knew--or assumed--that they could crank the shit out of there and not be faced with the same shut-downs they would for sure get in "the city".

It's interesting that music and car stereos and the general stress we are all under has skyrocketed, but in our heads we still view it as the same as it ever was---"stop whining!" "wear earplugs" "move to the wilderness"

Noise pollution is getting to brutal levels, and it causes untold stress to our bodies and psyches. We don't take it seriously. You don't play by the rules of the community, you get your license yanked. Don't blame the city, blame the idiot owners.

 

[goodtime]

On a positve note, my boat parties should dramatically increase.

You've a catwalk for fashion show? VB court near your boat?

 

[goodtime]

There are lots of condo buildings around the entertainment district and somehow it seems to work, so why cant it work at the Docks?????

They've their share of complains too. People buy into area knowing they're there, trade off for the happening scene. Club district condo dwellers tend to be younger.

Red, not many dwelling in the Time sq area, except for hotels. Time sq hotels are too noisy & busy for my taste.

 

[Eli]

A lot of megaclubs are deathtraps these days anyways. They all go waaay over their capacity. It's like a meat packin plant.

 

[ryick]

They will be fine...they will apply to sell alcohol while they wait for an appeal, get it, and this will take another 5 years...so nothing to worry!!