The Czechs outplayed Canada.....
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His point is to get Ranger into some kind of insane rage! This should be fun! Where's my beer?
Hmmm i wonder what my first post was.
Hmmm i wonder what my first post was.
A win is a win is a win.
Yes it is, but they have to play much better against the Finns. A little bit to much undisciplined play tonight....
My Canada includes hockey on Saturday nights. Sadly it may be awhile....
Go Canada Go
Yes it is, but they have to play much better against the Finns. A little bit to much undisciplined play tonight....
My Canada includes hockey on Saturday nights. Sadly it may be awhile....
Go Canada Go
Oh, I ain't ragin'.
Just proves that either:
(a) he's not taking into account goaltending, or;
(b) he's a fool.
You can decide.
(I'm sure someone will post something wise-ass as a (c) ... don't let me down, folks.)
Here's something to chew on: if you start looking at things beyond the final score - that is, raw offense and defense - the single most important factor is goaltending.
We clearly outgoaltended them.
Therefore, we outplayed them.
Hey, I'm GLAD to have someone bring this up all the time! LOL .....
Just proves that either:
(a) he's not taking into account goaltending, or;
(b) he's a fool.
You can decide.
(I'm sure someone will post something wise-ass as a (c) ... don't let me down, folks.)
Here's something to chew on: if you start looking at things beyond the final score - that is, raw offense and defense - the single most important factor is goaltending.
We clearly outgoaltended them.
Therefore, we outplayed them.
Hey, I'm GLAD to have someone bring this up all the time! LOL .....
Ah. Well, you see, the point of *playing* is to *win*. So, when one team *wins* they've *outplayed* the other team.Cnd-Guy said:
Now, when someone says that "the Czechs outplayed Canada, but Canada won", they're just doing the obvious - grading everything but the goaltending. The Czechs badly outshot us, so they must have outplayed us. That is, the sum total effort from nineteen of their players seems to have been better than that of nineteen of our players. (Ignoring, for a moment, that we outscored them.)
You hear this all the time - from sportscasters to players. In some sense, this is the most obvious thing to comment on - the players are the ones carrying the puck, generating offense, skating around. Most coaches are involved with this aspect of the game almost exclusively - it's the goaltending coaches job to deal with that strange art of protecting the twine tent. Obviously (perhaps), the goaltender is always *trying* - sometimes he just has a bad game. This benefit of the doubt is almost *never* extended to the skaters - who, if they are badly outshot, must have been *outplayed* - probably, because they weren't hustling enough, or didn't have the "will" to win the game.
In fact, the whole term, as it's used in general parlance, really just means "outshot". Try substituting that word for "outplayed" whenever you hear it, and I guarantee the results will be 100% accurate.
"The Czechs outplayed Canada" = "The Czechs outshot Canada"
This is useful in and of itself, but as anyone who thinks about it for five seconds or so could tell you, the point of the game isn't to "outshoot" your opponents, but to *score more*. To this end, the players on the ice contribute many things - shots, certainly, but also passes, defense, forechecking, backchecking - oh, all kinds of things - and, yes, *goaltending*.
When you look at the sum totals of the contributions of the *twenty* players on both teams, I think the only reasonable conclusion is that our *twenty* players played better as a whole than their *twenty* players.
Ergo, Canada outplayed the Czechs.
No, we didn't *outshoot* them, but we definitely *outplayed* them. And that's why we're playing on Tuesday.
LOL
I love you guys.
(Hey, sorry Goober - *I* didn't bring it up ... LOL ......)
Actually it was a friendly poke at Goob.MojoRisin` said:
If people look back at the old threads, it`s clear Ranger68 and I were on the same page:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53029&perpage=9&highlight=belfour&pagenumber=6
Ranger68 said:Holy crap! Someone actually undertstands what I`m talking about! It`s a miracle! LOL
You are EXACTLY right on, Don.
I want to thank the Academy, God, and my mother! You like me! You really really like me!
Yeah, nobody ever said "Jordan stole one".
ranger, don't sugarcoat it, or put a different spin on it, from the third period onwards, the czechs were the better team. they won almost every battle for the puck, along the boards, or in open ice, irregardlesss. sure, roberto luongo wasnt bad at all, but, with marty brodeur in the nets, canada are definitely a different team. they can play a different style, and i will tell you, teams do play differently, depending on who is in the nets! look at the leafs when eddie is in the pipes, as opposed to tellqvist or kidd.
but, bottom line is not the edge in play, it is the final score! and to you all, remember, back in nagano 1998, canada was the better team in the game they lost to the czechs! only thing that swung the game in the czechs favour, was some guy named hasek. things are so sweet when they come full circle!
I AM CANDIAN........good luck on tuesday boys, go get 'em!
Plyrs99
but, bottom line is not the edge in play, it is the final score! and to you all, remember, back in nagano 1998, canada was the better team in the game they lost to the czechs! only thing that swung the game in the czechs favour, was some guy named hasek. things are so sweet when they come full circle!
I AM CANDIAN........good luck on tuesday boys, go get 'em!
Plyrs99
well by your period summaries, Canada was the better team in period one and two then? Im my books that makes us the better team overall as two periods is more than one period and half of overtime.plyrs99 said:
it was actually probably their best game of the series... just this time they had real competition... it is hard to go from playing a few games at one level to suddenly jumping to a higher competitive level after having a few days off. this year the European Pool was alot stronger because of the poor play of russia and the usa in the North American pool
Ranger your one funny dude. Such an antagonist. Heres one i'll say black, and you'll say.............?
Anyone who "really" thinks Canada outplayed the Czechs needs their head examined.
The only thing Canada did well was capitalize on their scoring chances. Other than that the Czechs were the better team..... by far. --- Kev
Anyone who "really" thinks Canada outplayed the Czechs needs their head examined.
The only thing Canada did well was capitalize on their scoring chances. Other than that the Czechs were the better team..... by far. --- Kev
its just all lost in the definitions and how you want to look at them...we all saw the game and know the out come. It was a good out come. Canada won! yeah! NEXT
mojo, i never said canada was better or worse than the czechs in the 1st or 2nd periods, only that from the 3rd period onwards, there was no doubt.
but anyways, nevermind what we all think, even the canadian players and coaches are all saying they were outplayed, so, i think i will tend to want to listen to the experts!
i really dont see the point of all this anyways, canada won, and that is all that matters in the end!
Plyrs99
but anyways, nevermind what we all think, even the canadian players and coaches are all saying they were outplayed, so, i think i will tend to want to listen to the experts!
i really dont see the point of all this anyways, canada won, and that is all that matters in the end!
Plyrs99
"Robert Luongo wasn't bad at all"?!?! Damn, I'd say that he was the single most important factor in our winning the game - and so would most of those guys who don't understand what I'm talking about.plyrs99 said:
"Luongo stole one".
"The goalie won the game".
"We were lucky Luongo played as well as he did".
*I'm* not spinning anything. We won mostly because of the effort of Roberto Luongo. It's *others* who are trying to spin things - namely, that we were lucky. I could just as easily turn around and say that the Czechs were lucky to score at all, with Luongo playing the way he did. In fact, two of the three goals were described as "weak" - if he'd made "average" plays on them, we wouldn't have even needed overtime. Now, if I said *that* I'd be spinning things - but those other guys wouldn't have much of a response.
As a team, we outplayed them, but their skaters - nineteen of them - were better as a group than ours' were. With Luongo in net, we overcame that disadvantage.
We were also the better team in overtime.MojoRisin' said:
We scored.
Look, we could have been the worse team - *outplayed* - in the first two periods - let's say the Czechs outscore us by one goal in each. If we outscore them by three in the third, who outplayed whom? ..... That's right - we did.
