The cure for Cancer is it about profit

[goodtime]

Some of my high-school buddies went into molecular genetics and cancer research, there are many very smart people working very hard to improve things. It is insulting to them to suggest that people do not try because it would not pay. If you were familiar with research scientists you would know that 90% of them work for glory, not money. And it does pay when you figure out important things. You don't think people who fund research and run pharma companies have lost loved ones to cancer?

And rapid progress is being made, if you compare 5 year survival rates to 20 or 30 years ago, it translates into many, many lives saved and improved. But it is hard, and takes a lot of work.

My 1st U year was full of pre-meds & bio-meds. Everyone dream of cure the sick. Few in my year went on to very research or cancer workers you mentioned. They're so sick of the BS with phamacy companies directing everything, one quit the profession altogether. U.S. univ research are directily funded by private sector. It's a lesser extent in CDN but same idea.

I worked with few Cancer lab & MDs a long time ago. Yes, everyone committed to find the cure. But their papers & findings are shall we say, research $$$ directed & 'filtered'.

 

[K Douglas]

And another thing, the auto companies are holding back 100mpg gizmos to put in your engine, and the US government has the bodies of aliens, and killing JFK. It makes no sense.

Some of my high-school buddies went into molecular genetics and cancer research, there are many very smart people working very hard to improve things. It is insulting to them to suggest that people do not try because it would not pay. If you were familiar with research scientists you would know that 90% of them work for glory, not money. And it does pay when you figure out important things. You don't think people who fund research and run pharma companies have lost loved ones to cancer?

And rapid progress is being made, if you compare 5 year survival rates to 20 or 30 years ago, it translates into many, many lives saved and improved. But it is hard, and takes a lot of work.

There has been enough research done to find a full cure for cancer but they won't put everything together for a reason - $$. Yes the survival rates are better but that just brings more $$$ to the drug companies. I thought like you but no more. No more will I give to the Canadian Cancer Society so that 5 cents of my dollar can go to improve the lives of cancer victims. Incidentally, my mom died of cancer 3 years ago.

 

[danmand]

As some of you will understand, I have lately developed a keen interest in living longer, so I went out today and bought half a liter of the finest organic flaxseed oil.

As quark is not available in the local supermarket, I acquired some cottage cheese and proudly went home and mixed some cottage cheese with a spoonful of the organic flaxseed oil.

I am sorry to report that it is almost impossible to get down the old hatch. It tastes bad. When I was a child, painting was done with cooked linseed oil and pigment. Of course linseed oil is the same as flaxseed oil and it smells the same. I guess that quark will mask the taste of the oil better.

Anybody have any better suggestions on how to consume this wonder food?

 

[danmand]

The oil does leave a bad taste. You can buy milled flax seed and sprinkle it in cereal, salads, snacks (eg. yogurt), baked goods (I like flax seed muffins). Or, flax seed comes in powder form, this you can sprinkle in a beverage, plus, the other foods. In the supermarket, you can also choose products such as, bread, cereal, pasta...made with flax seed. Two tbsp of flax seed is the daily requirement, however, a greater consumption is safe.

I have been using flax seeds for years, in baking bread (the golden variety is the best) and in cerials. But if you read the article that is at the start of this thread, the german sexbomb claims that the flaxseed oil has to be taken with milk protein of some sort, quark or cottage cheese, to be effective.

 

[raven@mirage]

Well as most comedians are saying if they find a cure for any of the big diseases out there the pharmacies lose money they just want to live with it, so you can keep buying the medication. and I think it's true.

as long as you have to live with it you have to find a way to maintain it and have effect your life less. which just cuases more stress on yourself trying to fight something that may or may not win.

 

[danmand]

I cannot stand the taste of the oil, either, so I continue to use the milled flax seed (since the oil is present in the seed), especially because it did help to cure my friend - and a few others, from her support group, who were against radiation treatment- of different forms of cancer. The flax seed oil itself would be more potent, of course. I wonder if it's sold in a capsule form, like cod liver oil.

I will try to experiment with different ways. I tried to put some apple into the cottage cheese oil mixture, that helped a lot. I really think then reason I cant stand the taste is that it reminds me of the stuff I used to treat window frames with. That is a horrible thought.

Is it possible to buy Quark anywhere in the GTA? I suspect the taste of that will mask the oil's ttaste better.

 

[goodtime]

I am not knocking the guy or anything at least he is trying to make a difference just passing on his website so people can learn more about him, also I do not believe anyone has the magic cure but western medicine results for treating cancer is pathetic at best.

I have members in my family that have cancer and I am sure that nearly everyone here knows of someone that has cancer and everyone I know of personally that has been treated by radiation or chemotherapy has died.

I heard Dr. Moss spoke when he was at T.O. Life expo few years back & in NYC. Love the info he made available to people there's options to being torture/kill by Chemo or Rad. His MD lic. was theaten to be pulled as big companies/medical center tried to stop his papers. His courage to standup & risks loosing long time friends & coworkers for revealing the truth.

Folks, no 1 magic cure. Prevention is key. Eat healthy & everything in moderation. Avoid the environment stuff & be active.

 

[Alexis696969]

As some of you will understand, I have lately developed a keen interest in living longer, so I went out today and bought half a liter of the finest organic flaxseed oil.

As quark is not available in the local supermarket, I acquired some cottage cheese and proudly went home and mixed some cottage cheese with a spoonful of the organic flaxseed oil.

I am sorry to report that it is almost impossible to get down the old hatch. It tastes bad. When I was a child, painting was done with cooked linseed oil and pigment. Of course linseed oil is the same as flaxseed oil and it smells the same. I guess that quark will mask the taste of the oil better.

Anybody have any better suggestions on how to consume this wonder food?

Ill share with ya how i use flaxseed oil

Everytime i have a salad if it is an oil and vingerette type for eg. italian dressing i add a teaspoon to it mix it up then apply and you dont taste it

If i make a tuna sandwich a dab a bit in the mayo -you dont taste it

whenever i made a sauce of any kind i put a small amount in -you wouldnt know

always just add a a little bit and then add more to your taste

you will find that if you look at most recepies its easy to blend flax seed oil to accent whatever flavour your going for

for instance when ever i use olive oil i add half flax seed ....or if you use vegetable oil -

and if all else fails pump up with the flaxseed caplets

not to mention the flaxseed bread --instead of wholewheat

but the most important thing to fight off diseases is to eat lots of fibre
like pure bran on a regular basis

i know people who were diagnosed with diseases that were almost as serious and when they went to see a holistic doc ....they outbeat the odds and saw significant improvement ,one cousin actually rid of a disease .. compared to the other traditional treatments but because its not pharmacutical these stories never make front page status.

it is very sad that the same people with power and money that wont share the cures ...go as far as watching there own family members pass on -all for the glory of the evil dollar .

 

[spatial_k]

It is far too simplistic to just take flax oil and believe that will ward off cancer. There is a LOT to know about how to keep your body in optimum shape using natural methods and remedies. When it comes to flax oil, it is indeed a great oil, and you can use it where you'd normally use olive oil (olive oil is high in omega-6, which is fattening in large quantities.) The thing to remember is that omega-3 needs to be in balance with omega-6 and 9 in a ratio of 2:1:1. Most people have wayyyyy too much omega-6 in their diets.

If you want to start taking essential fatty acids, the easiest thing to do if you can't stand the taste of flax oil (although you'll probably come to like it, good flax oiol has a nice nutty flavor) is to take a supplement- a combo mix of flax, borage and primrose oil. Most of those combos have fish oil. EFAGold Mega Max is a good one.

Supplements are a market of their own, to be sure, but the benefit is of course is in not waiting to get sick before you take action about your health.

 

[C Dick]

How can people seriously think that it would not be profitable to cure cancer? If people could go to your clinic and come back cancer-free, you could make a mint. It would probably be wise to invent it in the US, not here. But the profits from that would dwarf anything from selling regular treatments.

 

[spatial_k]

How can people seriously think that it would not be profitable to cure cancer? If people could go to your clinic and come back cancer-free, you could make a mint. It would probably be wise to invent it in the US, not here. But the profits from that would dwarf anything from selling regular treatments.

Because treatment is ongoing, not guaranteed, and expensive. Maintaining life with a disease is far more costly than curing it. Plus, with multiple treatments and companies supplying meds, everyone gets a nice big slice of the pie.

 

[goodtime]

They have 1 of the most powerful lobby groups in D.C.

Control Washington to upheld the high cost of meds (vs. buying 'illegal CDN grey-market' meds), what else are they capable of?
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/drugs/2005-04-25-drug-lobby-cover_x.htm

 

[shakenbake]

And another thing, the auto companies are holding back 100mpg gizmos to put in your engine, and the US government has the bodies of aliens, and killing JFK. It makes no sense.

Some of my high-school buddies went into molecular genetics and cancer research, there are many very smart people working very hard to improve things. It is insulting to them to suggest that people do not try because it would not pay. If you were familiar with research scientists you would know that 90% of them work for glory, not money. And it does pay when you figure out important things. You don't think people who fund research and run pharma companies have lost loved ones to cancer?

And rapid progress is being made, if you compare 5 year survival rates to 20 or 30 years ago, it translates into many, many lives saved and improved. But it is hard, and takes a lot of work.

C Dick;

Most often, it is the CEO and CFO who decide what gets revealed and what doesn't in a research organisation. There are a LOT of egos and pocket books that need to get massaged. If it isn't in fashion, it doesn't get the publicity, plain and simple.

shakenbake, former research scientist who thought he could make a difference.

 

[shakenbake]

How can people seriously think that it would not be profitable to cure cancer? If people could go to your clinic and come back cancer-free, you could make a mint. It would probably be wise to invent it in the US, not here. But the profits from that would dwarf anything from selling regular treatments.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. The long drawn out cures are what makes money, NOT the one-shot deals. It is like buying versus leasing a car. The car makers/dealers make far more by leasing tan by selling,plain and simple.

 

[Meister]

How can people seriously think that it would not be profitable to cure cancer? If people could go to your clinic and come back cancer-free, you could make a mint. It would probably be wise to invent it in the US, not here. But the profits from that would dwarf anything from selling regular treatments.

I agree. What's more is that if there was a cure for cancer why do you need to do this here in Canada or the US. I am sure you could set up a clinic in Poland or Pakistan or some other country starting with P where authorities would be more than happy to welcome you. And then if it works you would make more money than Bill Gates.

So this theory Pharmacy suppressing cures is a bit flawed, but would make for a good movie.

 

[shakenbake]

So this theory Pharmacy suppressing cures is a bit flawed, but would make for a good movie.

Fine, if you believe it. But, Big Pharma doesn't work that way. Just think for a moment about some of the 'miracle drugs' that have caused deformed babies and people to have unexpected coronary attacks, as well as suicides from the likes of companies that developed fertility drugs, morning sickness cures, anti-depressants and heartburn treatements.

If you believe that Big Pharma is always mindful of your own best interests, then you live in a dream world. THAT would make for a good movie.

 

[Sergei]

Big Pharma doesn't work that way. Just think for a moment about some of the 'miracle drugs' that have caused deformed babies and people to have unexpected coronary attacks, as well as suicides from the likes of companies that developed fertility drugs, morning sickness cures, anti-depressants and heartburn treatements.

If you believe that Big Pharma is always mindful of your own best interests, then you live in a dream world. THAT would make for a good movie.

Don't forget hormone replacement therapy (made from horse piss) and cancer, vioxx and heart attacks, antibiotics and liver failure (among other things), vaccines, and many more.

The Fartaceuticals have big products that have multi-billion dollar/euro/sterling annual revenues, they have been known to create false diseases to sell drugs (a big scandal in France), they had a U of T professor fired for telling the truth about anti-depressants (David Healy), a health Canada doctor fired for refusing to allow the circulation of a drug known to cause coronaries, and they fund most "studies" that come out of hot-shot universities touting their products.

You'd be surprised to find out how many drugs are derived from variously sourced piss and of course oil refinery waste. To get the full story (historically) on the fartaceuticals, look up a book by William Beale - the text is available in its entirety on the net for free.

Maybe it's better to live in a dreamworld than wake up to a nightmare, though, who knows.

 

[Sergei]

So this theory Pharmacy suppressing cures is a bit flawed, but would make for a good movie.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that this statement is FALSE. Do a little research before you end up a victim of the drug companies. I speak from personal and family experience. LEARN NOW. The Fartaceucicals are ruthless.

 

[Sergei]

If someone had a wonder-cure, corporations would be tripping over themselves offering hundreds of millions, if not billions, for it. That isn't happening b/c there is no wonder-cure.

Add up the billions in annual drug sales and you'll see that the real money is in long-term disease management through expensive drugs fincanced by governments and insurance companies. How much would they charge to cure you from, say, asthma, when they make many billions a year on asthma drugs? Cures aren't financially viable.

 

[james t kirk]

Add up the billions in annual drug sales and you'll see that the real money is in long-term disease management through expensive drugs fincanced by governments and insurance companies. How much would they charge to cure you from, say, asthma, when they make many billions a year on asthma drugs? Cures aren't financially viable.

Sad isn't it. I am afraid I have to agree with you.

There used to be a time when the government did piles of research in Universities across Canada, the US, the UK, etc. They discovered insulin, antibiotics, vacines against polio, measels, small pox, etc. The government is out of the research business - too expensive and why bother when you can download it to the big pharma houses. The public is to blame in a way, we scream for tax cuts and so programs like medical research that can be directly off-loaded to private corporations screaming to do the research are the first to go. Simple math really.

It still goes on, but not in the same format. Now everything is "Public Private Partnerships" meaning that the brains remain at the Universities, but they are working for the big Pharma houses.

No more cures or vacines for anything.

It's all about "treatments" and "disease management" They want you to take a beaker full of pills every day for the rest of your life.

There's no money in curing or preventing anything. Just like the dope dealer on the corner, the money is in the repeat business.