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The Cochrane Report on Masks

Phil C. McNasty

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Yes, in a closed environment, the particles can still reach you
Good, I'm glad you finally agree with me

What you stupidly choose to ignore is that the mask catches a huge amount of droplets when you breath out and similarly catch some of the droplets, with 6 ft, many of those droplets will drop below face height, and when you breath in. That's exactly why they are effective at REDUCING spread of viruses
This is where you're wrong. You only need a tiny bit of breathed out air to infect someone. Whether or not the front of the mask catches a few droplets doesnt matter, because whatever is coming out the sides, the top, and the bottom of the mask is more then enough to infect people around you.

And the numbers prove this because Covid infection never came down when masks were mandated.
The mask mandates made ZERO difference
 

squeezer

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And who owns/funds Gavi? :rolleyes:
Do you dispute these facts?

It didn’t consider how COVID spreads and how masks work
COVID, along with influenza and many other respiratory diseases, is transmitted primarily through the air.

Respirators (such as N95s) are designed and regulated to prevent airborne infections by fitting closely to the face to prevent air leakage and by filtering out 95% or more of potential infectious particles.

In contrast, surgical masks are designed to prevent splatter of fluid on the face and are loose-fitting, causing unfiltered air to leak in through the gaps around the mask. The filtration of a surgical mask is not regulated.

In other words, respirators are designed for respiratory protection and cloth and surgical masks are not.

The review starts with an assumption that masks provide respiratory protection, which is flawed. An understanding of these differences should inform both studies and reviews of those studies.

Do you dispute these facts??

Most trials addressed only half the question
Face masks and respirators work in two ways: they protect the wearer from becoming infected and they prevent an infected wearer from spreading their germs to other people.

Most RCTs in this Cochrane Review looked only at the former scenario, not the latter. In other words, the researchers had asked people to wear masks and then tested to see if those people became infected.

A previous systematic review found face masks worn by sick people during an influenza epidemic reduced the risk of them transmitting the infection to family members or other carers. Preventing an infection in one person also prevents onward transmission to others within a closed setting, which means such RCTs should use a special method called “cluster randomisation” to account for this.

Data from a RCT of N95 respirator use by health workers showed even their unmasked colleagues were protected. Yet some of the trials included in the review did not use cluster randomisation.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Do you dispute these facts?

It didn’t consider how COVID spreads and how masks work
COVID, along with influenza and many other respiratory diseases, is transmitted primarily through the air.

Respirators (such as N95s) are designed and regulated to prevent airborne infections by fitting closely to the face to prevent air leakage and by filtering out 95% or more of potential infectious particles.

In contrast, surgical masks are designed to prevent splatter of fluid on the face and are loose-fitting, causing unfiltered air to leak in through the gaps around the mask. The filtration of a surgical mask is not regulated.

In other words, respirators are designed for respiratory protection and cloth and surgical masks are not.

The review starts with an assumption that masks provide respiratory protection, which is flawed. An understanding of these differences should inform both studies and reviews of those studies.

Do you dispute these facts??

Most trials addressed only half the question
Face masks and respirators work in two ways: they protect the wearer from becoming infected and they prevent an infected wearer from spreading their germs to other people.

Most RCTs in this Cochrane Review looked only at the former scenario, not the latter. In other words, the researchers had asked people to wear masks and then tested to see if those people became infected.

A previous systematic review found face masks worn by sick people during an influenza epidemic reduced the risk of them transmitting the infection to family members or other carers. Preventing an infection in one person also prevents onward transmission to others within a closed setting, which means such RCTs should use a special method called “cluster randomisation” to account for this.

Data from a RCT of N95 respirator use by health workers showed even their unmasked colleagues were protected. Yet some of the trials included in the review did not use cluster randomisation.
Bottom line squeezer, US States with no mask mandate had exact same infection rates as States that did.
There's no way a rational person can spin this and say masks made any difference.
You simply cannot admit you're wrong
 

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Jubee

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If masks are so effective, why didn't they tell us to wear them before all this nonsense? You know, during "cold and flu season"?
They just SUDDENLY thought of it? All these genius doctors and scientists and they only thought of it now? lol

Not that they're effective to catch anything other than droplets from your mouth and you happen to be a doctor performing a procedure looking down on your patient.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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I agree with science. You simply decided three years ago that masks don't work and are desperately still trying to stick to that claim
No sir, the data from US States shows mask mandates didnt work
 

squeezer

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😷I pray mask mandates to make a return just for the satisfaction of watching the sheep cry like babies.😷

NO NO, I don't want to wear it, NO IT DOESN'T WORK :cry::cry::cry:
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Look at this fear-mongering idiot.
Things are back to normal, you moron!!

 

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If masks are so effective, why didn't they tell us to wear them before all this nonsense? You know, during "cold and flu season"?
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Do you think reposting the same tweet is scientific debate?

And sorry but people were advising the wearing of masks when you have signs of cold and flu. North Americans generally didn't but it has been quite common in Asia for a long time.

And I know it's confusing but ay more people have died of covid in the past few years than the flu.
 
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squeezer

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Look at this fear-mongering idiot.
Things are back to normal, you moron!!

That is awesome to know you are better qualified in medicine than Dr. Bogach. If you were both on a debate stage and the audience was asked who is the idiot and who is the professional, who do you believe they would choose? ;)
 

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Look at this fear-mongering idiot.
Things are back to normal, you moron!!

lol Seen him a couple of times in interviews, he's a weird one. He has tons of time to be on TV, tweet, do other interviews but I'm waiting for a dancing TikTok video.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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That is awesome to know you are better qualified in medicine than Dr. Bogach. If you were both on a debate stage and the audience was asked who is the idiot and who is the professional, who do you believe they would choose? ;)
I'm hoping stupid Lefties would will choose Bogach, because that means I'm on the right path
 
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