The Blue Jays ......news and gossip

[salsamarc]

ok this is my question....

What is the deal with Frank Catalanotto ???? he has been placed in a bereavement list ??????

IMO he is one of the better players Toronto has....not a power hitter but certainly a clutch hitter and a good defensive outfielder?

Am I wrong? is he done for????

 

[GoLeafsGo]

ok this is my question....

What is the deal with Frank Catalanotto ???? he has been placed in a bereavement list ??????

I haven't heard anything about it other than he has been allowed to leave the club in order to attend some serious family business. If he IS done for, it seems like a rather goofy way to dispose of him.

IMO he is one of the better players Toronto has....not a power hitter but certainly a clutch hitter and a good defensive outfielder?

Is he though? Mike Wilner has called Frank an "average to below average" defensive outfielder. And on more than a few occasions, he was replaced in left by Johnson in the late innings of close games for defensive purposes.

Sweeping the BoSox is damn sweet. Now if only the O's would start losing.

 

[salsamarc]

The Sox have lost seven of their last 10 games and are just 3-6 against Toronto -- which is one more loss than they suffered in all of 2004 against the Jays.

 

[salsamarc]

all time bests....

who has been the best defensive outfielder for the Jays ???

or the best defensive infielder ???

 

[shack]

who has been the best defensive outfielder for the Jays ???

Wells

or the best defensive infielder ???

O-Dog

 

[salsamarc]

all time ?????

 

[GoLeafsGo]

all time ?????

tough one if we're talking about all time.

But I'm guessing the answer might have to be Devon White and Robbie Alomar.

On the current team though, shack is bang on.

 

[shack]

Oops. Didn't see the all-time.

Devo (hands down) and Robbie sound pretty good though. Tony Fernandez was very steady although not as flashy as Robbie. If Orlando can play at the same level for a few more years he'll rank up there as well.

 

[salsamarc]

there is a lot of potential in O-Dog That is if the idiot GM that we have does not deal him

all he needs is a little more POP in the bat

 

[Mudd Stuffin]

I agree with giving Devo the all-time outfielder, but who will forget the gun of an arm Jesse Barfield.

Infield - Tony Fernandez.

 

[robycapone]

best defensive o-f

Devo was amazing,,,,Shawn Green won 2 gold gloves with the Jays,,,,,but definitely Devon White was that best defensive OF......best defensive infielder....i'd have to say the Alomar-Manny Lee combo's were great but Alomar-Fernandez were even better....ALOMAR by far, best defensive infielder, O-dogg not that far behind as some people think!

 

[big dogie]

All time best OF hands down Dave Collins, he also was the best Jay base stealer ever........... clinch hitting power hitting OF is George Bell the only Jay MVP ever......... IF Alomar, he was also the rudest Jay ever but hey he was the greatest Jay ever on the field or at the plate when he wanted to play !!!!!!!

b d

 

[salsamarc]

it really is too bad that Mondesi was here for such a short time....that guy has a cannon for an arm and he was a good base runner/stealer, plus he did have some power

i still remember that straight steal of home plate he did while he was here

 

[shinjitsu]

There's probably a thread on this but ...

... all-time Jays team would be ...

C - Darrin Fletcher (.291 AVG, 18 HRs, 80 RBIs - 1999)
1B - Carlos Delgado (.344 AVG, 41 HRs, 137 RBIs, 57 2Bs, 123 BBs - 2000)
2B - Roberto Alomar (.326 AVG, 17 HRs, 93 RBIs, 55 SBs, 80 BBs, GoldGlove, 1993)
SS - Tony Fernandez (.322 AVG, 5 HRs, 67 RBIs, 32 SBs, GoldGlove - 1987)
3B - Kelly Gruber (.274 AVG, 31 HRs, 118 RBIs, 14 SBs, GoldGlove - 1990)
LF - George Bell (.308 AVG, 47 HRs, 134 RBIs, 111 Runs, MVP - 1987)
CF - Devon White (.273 AVG, 15 HRs, 52 RBIs, 116 Runs, 34 SBs, GoldGlove - 1993)
RF - Shawn Green (.309 AVG, 42 HRs, 123 RBIs, 134 Runs, 45 2Bs, GoldGlove - 1999)
DH - Joe Carter (.264 AVG, 34 HRs, 119 RBIs, 97 Runs - 1992)

SP - Roger Clemens (21-7 W-L, 2.05 ERA, 264 IP, 292 SO, 9 CG, CYYOUNG - 1993)
SP - Dave Stieb (16-8 W-L, 2.83 ERA, 267 IP, 198 SO, 11 CG - 1984)
SP - Roy Halladay (22-7 W-L, 3.25 ERA, 266 IP, 204 SO, 9 CG, CYYOUNG - 2003)
SP - Pat Hentgen (20-10 W-L, 3.22 ERA, 265 IP, 177 SO, 10 CG, CYYOUNG - 1996)
SP - Jimmy Key (17-8 W-L, 2.76 ERA, 261 IP, 161 SO, 8 CG - 1987)
RP - Tom Henke (0-6 W-L, 2.49 ERA, 34 SV, 94 IP, 128 SO - 1987)
RP - Duane Ward (2-3 W-L, 2.13 ERA, 45 SV, 71 IP, 97 SO - 1993)
RP - Mark Eichorn (14-6 W-L, 1.72 ERA, 10 SV, 157 IP, 166 SO - 1986)
RP - Victor Cruz (7-3 W-L, 1.71 ERA, 9 SV, 47 IP, 51 SO - 1978)
RP - Jerry Garvin (4-7 W-L, 2.29 ERA, 8 SV, 82 IP, 52 SO - 1980)

I put Jerry Garvin in 'cause I couldn't think of a lefty from the bullpen.

You could argue for;
John Olerud (.363 AVG, 24 HRs, 107 RBIs, 54 2Bs, 109 Runs - 1993)
Willie Upshaw (.306 AVG, 27 HRs, 104 RBIs, 99 Runs, 7 3Bs - 1983)
Paul Molitor (.322 AVG, 22 HRs, 111 RBIs, 121 Runs - 1993)
Vernon Wells (.317 AVG, 33 HRs, 117 RBIs, 118 Runs, 49 2Bs - 2003)
Jesse Barfield (.289 AVG, 40 HRs, 108 RBIs, 107 Runs, GoldGlove - 1986)
Jack Morris (21-6 W-L, 4.03 ERA, 241 IP, 132 SO, 6 CG - 1992)
Doyle Alexander (17-6 W-L, 3.13 ERA, 262 IP, 139 SO, 11 CG - 1984)
Paul Quantrill (6-7 W-L, 1.94 ERA, 5 SV, 88 IP, 55 SO - 1997)
Billy Koch (9-3 W-L, 2.63 ERA, 33 SV, 78 IP, 60 SO - 2000)
Juan Guzman (16-5 W-L, 2.64 ERA, 180 IP, 165 SO - 1992)
Dennis Lamp (11-0 W-L, 3.32 ERA, 2 SV, 105 IP, 68 SO - 1986)

 

[to-guy69]

... all-time Jays team would be ...

C - Darrin Fletcher (.291 AVG, 18 HRs, 80 RBIs - 1999)
1B - Carlos Delgado (.344 AVG, 41 HRs, 137 RBIs, 57 2Bs, 123 BBs - 2000)
2B - Roberto Alomar (.326 AVG, 17 HRs, 93 RBIs, 55 SBs, 80 BBs, GoldGlove, 1993)
SS - Tony Fernandez (.322 AVG, 5 HRs, 67 RBIs, 32 SBs, GoldGlove - 1987)
3B - Kelly Gruber (.274 AVG, 31 HRs, 118 RBIs, 14 SBs, GoldGlove - 1990)
LF - George Bell (.308 AVG, 47 HRs, 134 RBIs, 111 Runs, MVP - 1987)
CF - Devon White (.273 AVG, 15 HRs, 52 RBIs, 116 Runs, 34 SBs, GoldGlove - 1993)
RF - Shawn Green (.309 AVG, 42 HRs, 123 RBIs, 134 Runs, 45 2Bs, GoldGlove - 1999)
DH - Joe Carter (.264 AVG, 34 HRs, 119 RBIs, 97 Runs - 1992)

SP - Roger Clemens (21-7 W-L, 2.05 ERA, 264 IP, 292 SO, 9 CG, CYYOUNG - 1993)
SP - Dave Stieb (16-8 W-L, 2.83 ERA, 267 IP, 198 SO, 11 CG - 1984)
SP - Roy Halladay (22-7 W-L, 3.25 ERA, 266 IP, 204 SO, 9 CG, CYYOUNG - 2003)
SP - Pat Hentgen (20-10 W-L, 3.22 ERA, 265 IP, 177 SO, 10 CG, CYYOUNG - 1996)
SP - Jimmy Key (17-8 W-L, 2.76 ERA, 261 IP, 161 SO, 8 CG - 1987)
RP - Tom Henke (0-6 W-L, 2.49 ERA, 34 SV, 94 IP, 128 SO - 1987)
RP - Duane Ward (2-3 W-L, 2.13 ERA, 45 SV, 71 IP, 97 SO - 1993)
RP - Mark Eichorn (14-6 W-L, 1.72 ERA, 10 SV, 157 IP, 166 SO - 1986)
RP - Victor Cruz (7-3 W-L, 1.71 ERA, 9 SV, 47 IP, 51 SO - 1978)
RP - Jerry Garvin (4-7 W-L, 2.29 ERA, 8 SV, 82 IP, 52 SO - 1980)

I put Jerry Garvin in 'cause I couldn't think of a lefty from the bullpen.

You could argue for;
John Olerud (.363 AVG, 24 HRs, 107 RBIs, 54 2Bs, 109 Runs - 1993)
Willie Upshaw (.306 AVG, 27 HRs, 104 RBIs, 99 Runs, 7 3Bs - 1983)
Paul Molitor (.322 AVG, 22 HRs, 111 RBIs, 121 Runs - 1993)
Vernon Wells (.317 AVG, 33 HRs, 117 RBIs, 118 Runs, 49 2Bs - 2003)
Jesse Barfield (.289 AVG, 40 HRs, 108 RBIs, 107 Runs, GoldGlove - 1986)
Jack Morris (21-6 W-L, 4.03 ERA, 241 IP, 132 SO, 6 CG - 1992)
Doyle Alexander (17-6 W-L, 3.13 ERA, 262 IP, 139 SO, 11 CG - 1984)
Paul Quantrill (6-7 W-L, 1.94 ERA, 5 SV, 88 IP, 55 SO - 1997)
Billy Koch (9-3 W-L, 2.63 ERA, 33 SV, 78 IP, 60 SO - 2000)
Juan Guzman (16-5 W-L, 2.64 ERA, 180 IP, 165 SO - 1992)
Dennis Lamp (11-0 W-L, 3.32 ERA, 2 SV, 105 IP, 68 SO - 1986)

Nice list but what about a Manager?

Please don't say Cito as he was vastly overated and couldn't land a head coaching job anywhere else afterwards.

 

[salsamarc]

wow impresive list of names

as for a lefty in the pen how about David Wells ???

 

[salsamarc]

how about some of the big names that have played for Toronto and have not deliver


(on another topic....whatever happened to Homer Bush)

 

[shack]

Dennis Lamp (11-0 W-L, 3.32 ERA, 2 SV, 105 IP, 68 SO - 1986)

That was a career year for him. He could do no wrong.

 

[shinjitsu]

Duds & Disappointments ...

C - Benito Santiago - (.243 AVG, 13 HR, 42 RBI, 80 Ks in 341 AB - 1997) after 30 HRs/85 RBIs in the prior year with PHI. Signed as FA, for 'bout 3.5mil/year, doubling prior year salary.

C - Ozzie Virgil - (12 Games, 16 AB in 2 yrs - 1989-1990). Averaged .247-18-55 in 5 yrs with ATL/PHI.

1B - Willie Aikens - (.205 AVG, 12 HR, 31 RBI, 105 Games, 254 AB - 1984-1985). Averaged .282-20-76 in 430 AB and 125 Games in 5 prior yrs with KC/CAL.

2B - Carlos Garcia - (.220 AVG, 3 HR, 23 RBI - 1997). Averaged .281-8-42 in the prior 4 yrs with PITT. Traded with O. Merced, D. Pleasac for prospects including Jose Pett and Craig Wilson.

SS - Eddie Zosky - (26 Games, 34 AB, in two years - 1991-1992). 1st round pick in 1989.

OF - Darrin Jackson - (.215 AVG, 5 HR, 19 RBI, 53 Ks in 176 AB in 46 Games - 1993). Averaged .254-19-60 in 138 Games in 2 yrs prior with SD. Traded to TO for Derek Bell.

OF - Marty Cordova - (.245 AVG, 4 HR, 18 RBI in 200 AB - 2000). Averaged .276-16-77 in 466 AB in 5 yrs prior with MIN. Yr before .285-14-70.

OF - Jorge Orta - (.237 AVG, 10 HR, 38 RBI, in 245 AB - 1983). Averaged .284-10-60 in 472 ABs in 9 yrs prior with CHI.

OF - Leon Roberts - (.229 AVG, 1 HR, 5 RBI in 105 AB - 1982). Averaged .276-13-52 in 382 ABs in 4 yrs prior with TEX/SEA.

OF - Sil Campusano - (.218 AVG, 2 HR, 12 RBI in 142 AB - 1988)

SP - Joey Hamilton (14-17, 5.82 ERA, 50 GS, 253 IP in 3 yrs - 1999-2001). Averaged 11-9, 3.83 ERA, 28 GS, 186 IP in 5 prior yrs with SD. Was 13-13, 4.27 ERA in 1998. Made 675,000 in 97 SD and avg 5mil for 4 yrs on TO salary. TO traded Woody Williams for him.

SP - Erik Hanson (13-20, 5.68 ERA, 45 GS, 278 IP in 3 yrs - 1996-1998). Averaged 11-9, 3.83 ERA, 27 GS, 176 IP, 135 SO in 7 yrs prior with SEA/CIN/BOS. Was 15-5, 4.24 ERA in 1995.

SP - Mark Lemongello (1-9, 6.29 ERA, 18 Games, 83 IP - 1979). Averaged 9-14, 3.71, 34 GS, 212 IP, 7 CG in 2 prior yrs with HOU at the age of 22. Traded to TO for Alan Ashby.

SP - Steve Pariss (9-11, 5.17 ERA, 33 GS, 181 IP, in 2 yrs - 2001-2002). Averaged 12-10, 4.29 ERA, 29 GS, 161 IP in 2 yrs prior with CIN. Traded to TO for prospects.

SP - Cory Lidle (12-15, 5.75 ERA, 31 GS, 192 IP - 2003). Averaged 11-8, 3.74 ERA, 30 GS, 190 IP in 2 prior yrs with OAK.

SP - Luke Prokopec (2-9, 6.78 ERA. 22 Games, 71 IP). Prior yr with LA, 8-7, 4.88 ERA, 138 IP. Age 24. Traded with Chad Ricketts to TO for Quantrill/Izturis.

RP - Bill Caudill (6-10, 16 SV, 107 Games, 4.07 ERA in 2 Years - 1985-1986) Averaged 8-8, 3.13 ERA, 31 SV, 9.28 SO/9 IP in the 3 prior yrs with SEA/OAK. Traded to TO for Dave Collins+Alfredo Griffin.

RP - Bryan Clark (1-2, 5.91 ERA, 0 SV, 20 Games - 1984). Averaged 5-6, 3.67 ERA, 35 Games, 123 IP, in 3 prior yrs with SEA). Traded to TO for Barry Bonnell.

RP - Ken Dayley (10 Games, 5 IP in 3 Years - 1991-1993). Averaged 4-4, 2.98 ERA, 54 Games, 6 SV, 61 IP, 48 SO in the 6 prior yrs with STL. Signed as FA, to about 1.9 mil/yr, doubling his prior salary.

RP - Kerry Ligtenberg (1-6, 6.38 ERA, 3 SV). Averaged 3-3, 3.10 ERA, 9 SV, 63 IP in 5 yrs prior with ATL/BAL.

RP - Willie Fraser (0-2, 6.15 ERA, 13 G - 1991). Averaged 8-8, 4.22 ERA, 40 G, 134 IP in 4 yrs prior with CAL.

RP - Mike Morgan (0-3, 5.16 ERA, 16 G, 45 IP - 1983). Prior yr was 7-11, 4.37 ERA, 150 IP with NYY. 23 yrs old @ was 4th overall pick in 1978 by OAK.

RP - Alex Sanchez (4 Games, 12 IP, 14 BB, 10.03 ERA - 1989). 1st round pick in 1987.

 

[shinjitsu]

Other lefty possibilities for the all-time team ...

P - David Wells (7-4, 2.40 ERA, 2 SV, 86 IP, 78 SO - 1989)
P - Gary Lavelle (5-7, 3.10 ERA, 8 SV, 73 IP, 50 SO - 1985)
P - Dan Plesac (4-5, 3.57 ERA, 1 SV, 45 IP, 68 SO - 2001)

and one righty

P - Mike Timlin (11-6, 3.16 ERA, 3 SV, 108 IP, 85 SO - 1991)