So your saying Kessel can win without the Bruins.
BTW, I like this one liner approach. A well thought argument, gets you labelled here as a hater or a person that tries too hard. So let's take the easy way out.
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BTW, I like this one liner approach. A well thought argument, gets you labelled here as a hater or a person that tries too hard. So let's take the easy way out.
I like the way you change your parameters.Incorrect. 9th place according to my playoff vision. Top 16 teams in the league would get in and the Leafs are 9th in points.
You said yourself that they were in 7th, meaning you meant in the east. When I correctly pointed out that they have the 5th best record in the east, now you suddenly decide to rank them according to the east and west combined.
Sleazy and very transparent but it is what is to be expected of people who love to bash the Leafs.
The key phase in your quote is "IMHO". With that no body can argue.IMHO Seguin is a better player TODAY.
As much as I've become a Kessel fan and enjoyed watching the way he plays since last season, it is my speculation of-course but I still think Burke made an error in evaluating the talent level of the team when he was making the trade. He thought he had a playoff team and Kessel would take it to another level. The team was a lot worse than he thought and he had no idea he was trading away two top five picks +.
I'd have no problem if the same trade were to happen today as the team now has a much stronger foundation than back then and another player of Kessel's calibre would certainly make this team an instant serious contender. Plus we wouldn't be trading away any top five pick anyway.
I often wonder why hockey GM's don't do what NBA GM's and make trade but have the pick lottery protected ....The key phase in your quote is "IMHO". With that no body can argue.
As much as I've become a Kessel fan and enjoyed watching the way he plays since last season, it is my speculation of-course but I still think Burke made an error in evaluating the talent level of the team when he was making the trade. He thought he had a playoff team and Kessel would take it to another level. The team was a lot worse than he thought and he had no idea he was trading away two top five picks +.
I'd have no problem if the same trade were to happen today as the team now has a much stronger foundation than back then and another player of Kessel's calibre would certainly make this team an instant serious contender. Plus we wouldn't be trading away any top five pick anyway.
Still, only a seventh place team.
As I said, you clearly changed your parameters for no other reason than to put the Leafs down lower in the standings. I'll be glad to debate once you are less inclined to be so disingenuous.Incorrect. 9th place according to my playoff vision. Top 16 teams in the league would get in and the Leafs are 9th in points.
I agree Shack. Standings are subjective, what with games in hand and the moving target of 2 and 3 point games under which going 0-0-82 may get you in the playoffs.As I said, you clearly changed your parameters for no other reason than to put the Leafs down lower in the standings. I'll be glad to debate once you are less inclined to be so disingenuous.
Bottom line, the Leafs are in the middle of the playoff pack, currently solidly in. Arguing 5th, 7th, 9th is ridiculous.
Ultimately placement in the standings is only relevant April 14th.
I'm saying the Leafs are in 7th place as of now in their conference. They have the 9th highest point total in the league that meaning of all 30 teams. The fact they have the 5th most points in their conference is not lost on me. But if the playoffs started today they would be ranked 7th and would play the 2nd place team. Is that clear enough for you?As I said, you clearly changed your parameters for no other reason than to put the Leafs down lower in the standings. I'll be glad to debate once you are less inclined to be so disingenuous.
This is nuts.
One guy is say the Leafs are seventh, no ninth, no tenth ... make up your mind ?
This same person is trying to come up with a playoff format which puts the Leafs on the outside or as low as possible.
Another was including players for the Bruins who were not even in the trade, but included them because the Bruins saved money ? WTF ?
None of the clowns will even give a slight nod to Kessel(or the Leafs) so this moronic argument will never go anywhere other then everyone(on all sides) maintaining their point and not budging.
Kessel is one of the best scorers in the world .... without a true #1 center.
I have read that Kessel 'cannot find the Leafs zone' yet I have seem him back check on several occasions. I do not expect any of the non-Leafs to admit that ... ah who cares.
I like Kessel. I would take him over Seguin any time.
As of this moment, knowing what we know now, I would make the trade again.
What it comes down to for me is did the trade hurt the Leafs ... not in my opinion.
Past few games I saw Kessel decide to put the team on his back and score some big goals, GTG or GWG, while being hassled by checkers.
Also on the Leafs, from the moment he arrived, Kessel had to be the guy.
Can you say the same about the other players involved in the trade, then or now ?
One guy is say the Leafs are seventh, no ninth, no tenth ... make up your mind ?
This same person is trying to come up with a playoff format which puts the Leafs on the outside or as low as possible.
Another was including players for the Bruins who were not even in the trade, but included them because the Bruins saved money ? WTF ?
None of the clowns will even give a slight nod to Kessel(or the Leafs) so this moronic argument will never go anywhere other then everyone(on all sides) maintaining their point and not budging.
Kessel is one of the best scorers in the world .... without a true #1 center.
I have read that Kessel 'cannot find the Leafs zone' yet I have seem him back check on several occasions. I do not expect any of the non-Leafs to admit that ... ah who cares.
I like Kessel. I would take him over Seguin any time.
As of this moment, knowing what we know now, I would make the trade again.
What it comes down to for me is did the trade hurt the Leafs ... not in my opinion.
Past few games I saw Kessel decide to put the team on his back and score some big goals, GTG or GWG, while being hassled by checkers.
Also on the Leafs, from the moment he arrived, Kessel had to be the guy.
Can you say the same about the other players involved in the trade, then or now ?
Correct, I called him one of the best scorers in the worldKessel ... I wouldn't call him one of the best scorers in the world.
I am perfectly clear on your opinion of Kessel.
maurice93, you think that I am trying to hard by my comments. I just simply gave my opinion. I stated what was correct as in saying that the bruins have and will win without Seguin. he is a great player but he is not a game breaker. he was just a replaceable piece to the puzzle and Boston has proven that they don't miss a beat without him. On the other hand if you were to remove kessel from the leafs. they would miss him and it would show in the standings.
In speaking of anyone being a hater or trying to hard I would clearly say that you have as you posted 3 pointless links from youtube. I never asked you to read my comment so if you don't agree with it. don't read it or just move on. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and clearly your a leafs hater.
In speaking of anyone being a hater or trying to hard I would clearly say that you have as you posted 3 pointless links from youtube. I never asked you to read my comment so if you don't agree with it. don't read it or just move on. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and clearly your a leafs hater.
Yes Kessel is a great player, but 37 goals doesn't make you world class.Correct, I called him one of the best scorers in the world
I am perfectly clear on your opinion of Kessel.
Kessel is one of the best scorers in the world .... without a true #1 center.
Yes Kessel is a great player but I wouldn't call him one of the best scorers in the world. His best season is just 37 goals I would not say that's world class not when Ovechkin has a pocket full of 50, 60 goal seasons.
Correct, I called him one of the best scorers in the world
I am perfectly clear on your opinion of Kessel.
And there is my point.Yes Kessel is a great player, but 37 goals doesn't make you world class.
Saxon, for one, just keeps on pushing his point.
Did you even understand the part where I said "I called him ..." ?
Bruins won the cup in spite of the trade not because of it.
And to think Leafs didn't win the Gilmour or Sundin trade because they didn't win the cup with them is laughable.
Great logic there.
And to think Leafs didn't win the Gilmour or Sundin trade because they didn't win the cup with them is laughable.
Great logic there.
In that case, Dan Carcillo is one of the best players in the world. (just kidding) But he is a helluva nice guy off the ice.And there is my point.
Saxon, for one, just keeps on pushing his point.
Did you even understand the part where I said "I called him ..." ?
As I said, your transparency in trying to downplay the Leafs' ranking has been clear all along.I'm saying the Leafs are in 7th place as of now in their conference. They have the 9th highest point total in the league that meaning of all 30 teams. The fact they have the 5th most points in their conference is not lost on me. But if the playoffs started today they would be ranked 7th and would play the 2nd place team. Is that clear enough for you?
Why do you use point totals when comparing to the whole league (9th) but decide to use playoff ranking instead of points when making a comparison to the teams in the conference? As we've all agreed, the current system of playoff ranking is not always a clear indicator of how a team actually ranks in relation to other teams in their conference. That would be the actual won/loss/points record, in which case the Leafs are solidly entrenched in 5th.
I hope that is clear enough for you and that you stop using the inaccurate playoff ranking to try to say the Leafs are only 7th best in the conference. In terms of points they are probably closer to 3rd place than they are to 7th.
I don't know the answer to this question, but here goes:Yes Kessel is a great player, but 37 goals doesn't make you world class.
In the last 4 seasons, how many players have scored more goals than Kessel?
Without checking stats, my guess would be Phil sits 4th in the NHL in scoring over the past 4 seasons.I don't know the answer to this question, but here goes:
In the last 4 seasons, how many players have scored more goals than Kessel?
