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Phil C. McNasty

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Tribulus (min 45% saponins)
D-Aspartic Acid (min 3 grams)
Thanks for posting that. I didnt know that d-aspartate could raise testosterone levels.
I'm gonna go to Popeye's today and buy a bottle.

Any good brands you recommend??
 

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Thanks for posting that. I didnt know that d-aspartate could raise testosterone levels.
I'm gonna go to Popeye's today and buy a bottle.

Any good brands you recommend??
It's all good bro . . . . .

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Phil C. McNasty

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I also noticed I sleep a lot better now that my test levels are up.
So I looked up some studies and there is indeed a correlation between a high test level and good sleep:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24435056

Low testosterone may affect overall sleep quality which is improved by replacement doses. Large doses of exogenous testosterone and anabolic/androgenic steroid abuse are associated with abnormalities of sleep duration and architecture
 

doggystyle99

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I didn't know that in Ontario you could go to your family doctor/gp and get this as a man. Has anyone on here gotten on this as they get older ? What were the benefits what were some of the risks ?

In my non-medical ignorance wouldn't adding testosterone increase risks for cancer ?

Once you start TRT would you have to stay on it for life as your body stops producing testosterone?

Thank you in advance.
Yes this is correct.
You have to stay on it for life. If your body is already producing testosterone do not go on TRT.
If you are over 50 and not producing enough testosterone then go on TRT.

But check will your family doctor they can let you know if you need it or not.
 

scdave2003

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I didn't know that in Ontario you could go to your family doctor/gp and get this as a man. Has anyone on here gotten on this as they get older ? What were the benefits what were some of the risks ?

In my non-medical ignorance wouldn't adding testosterone increase risks for cancer ?

Once you start TRT would you have to stay on it for life as your body stops producing testosterone?

Thank you in advance.
Tried it for ED, testosterone level rose, my cock didn’t.
 
Your best bet is to goes see your doctor and have an evaluation of your "Man Health" done. I have it done annually with MedCan in Toronto, as its part of my annual med review with my copmpany. They concentrate on a number of issue to determine my actual "Man Health". Sleep, Diet, Activity, Stress, Work Hours, Libido, Circulation, Heart Health, Alcoholism, Drug Use, How much sex you are actually having, freq. of intercourse, Ejaculation issues... etc etc etc. Its not just... "Can you get up and keep it up"? Getting a TRT Program would fix/ adjust vey little in that list of potential issues.

So the major part of what is being chatted about on here is dependant on what dosage your taking and why your using that dosage.... the extremely negative sides most folks are chatting about are when you introduce above normal/ extremely high dosages of test into your body. I believe Kathleen had stated it best before, but there are a number of different esters for test, with varying degrees of half life amount them.... and designed (based on dosage) to put test levels well above normal ranges. Trying to regulate the test within the normal parameters from low test levels (TRT programs) shouldn't produce a rage filled balding monster with puffy nipples on his man-tits, swinging a huge cock that cannot be satisfied. These are typical symptoms of overuse/ abuse or someone that did not plan a good Post Cycle Therapy. But given that everyones metabolic pathways can be affected differently, I would suggest that you let your doc give you the best advice for it.

TRT is a form of HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy), and it is def prescribed across Canada, as I have a few mates at work that utilize it. They def describe it as life changing, but not because it makes you rock hard, for sex. Test plays other roles the body besides an erection. For most of them it was libido... they didnt have the motivation to want to have sex... now its on a healthy path again. As Phil stated... it def affects sleep patterns. Also your your mental acuity, and quite possibly your ability to be depressed and your level of lethargy. The manner in which test affects you, and your physical response is a matter of how your body is utilizing it. The pathways are usually very predictable, but If you have metabolic pathways that are not utilizing test properly, it may not help with the erection issue. See your doc, talk about it, let them determine what it is that you need!

The TRT should be the last option for you, and Im sure your doc will probably push it that way for you. Its typically (99.9% of the time) life long. Im not sure how its covered under provincial health care, or private insurance either... I would assume its not, but I could be wrong. Check into that as well.

BUT If the issues can be corrected with life style changes, then thats the path you def want to take.
 

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Good piece in the NY Times on "The Myths of Testosterone". Best of all, the paywall is down.
 

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Thanks all for your fantastic feedback. I will go the natural route and only as a last resort I'll go synthetic. I will look for some of the supplements suggested.

Thanks.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I will go the natural route and only as a last resort I'll go synthetic. I will look for some of the supplements suggested
Thats the smart way to go about it. Herbs are cheap too, plus they are generally very safe.
If after you tried all the herbs you can always try RX drugs.

I think however you will come back to this thread in a few months and tell us how much you love the herbs
 

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Stinging nettle root is known to boost testosterone and has the added benefit of treating enlarged prostste so all us old fuckers dont have to get up 5 times to tinkle at night.
 

PeterJen

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I did a bit of research about TRT and didn’t like the side effects. I definitely would like to boost my testosterone levels, but I don’t want to ruin something else in my body. I’m very cautious about taking medicine, because I’m quite prone to getting different side effects. Even simple antibiotics don’t leave me unscathed. That’s why I tried to look into natural remedies, my uncle told me to check this supplement. I bought it and at first I was skeptical, but soon I started seeing the results. My libido improved. Brain fog, my usual companion, disappeared and only returned when I pulled an all-nighter. All in all, I think it’s worth to try some supplements before you decide to take serious meds.
 
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I thought about starting TRT myself, but messing with hormones like that is pretty scary.
It's not as scary as you think. The key is to make sure you are educated and are more importantly seeing a doctor who is educated.

Most of the doctors I have seen regarding this subject are years behind the recent research.

However there are a few out there who are more forward thinking.

DM me if you have any questions.....
 

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It's not as scary as you think. The key is to make sure you are educated and are more importantly seeing a doctor who is educated.

Most of the doctors I have seen regarding this subject are years behind the recent research.

However there are a few out there who are more forward thinking.

DM me if you have any questions.....
Another is get blood tested 2x a year to make sure you are in the "normal" range.
 

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Another is get blood tested 2x a year to make sure you are in the "normal" range.
I like that you used normal in quotations.

Because the labs have lowered their range of '' normal'' total testosterone levels to reflect a growing population that is now more obese and has lower testosterone levels on average.

Which of course is total horse shite.

The standard blood tests to get for consideration of overall health and hormone levels would be;

CBC
CMP
Cortisol
DHEA
Estradiol.....Dyna Care actually will give you a score where lifelabs won't as of last year.
Homocysteine
IGF-1.......OHIP doesn't cover
LH & FSH
PSA
SHGB
Total Free and Total Testosterone
Bioavailable Testosterone........OHIP doesn't cover
Vitamin D25.........OHIP doesn't cover
Thyroid Panel
HBAI-C
Pregnenolone
Magnesium.......Not sure if it's covered in the CMP or not but I don't think it is.
 

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Does TRT help with injuries? I'm middle-aged, don't really work out but I play hockey multiple times per week (prior to COVID). I still feel my big injuries, but even the little ones are starting to add up. I'm afraid I'm going to be a hobbled mess... I heard Joe Rogan talking about it.

No idea about my sex drive as my wife isn't interested and COVID has kyboshed my SP visits. I still spank it 2x day.
 

The Oracle

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How do you know and how can you tell if you have low testosterone, and need TRT?
Well firstly you evaluate what your present quality of life is.

Mental acuity, Physical energy level, Libido and sexual response, Muscle to fat ratio or overall body composition.

If one feels that things have taken a turn for worse in one or more of these areas then you are off to your doctor for bloodwork.

If your testosterone levels come in low then you are a potential candidate. However keep in mind that there might be other conditions which could be related as well. The big one being looked at these days is a group of conditions coined Metabolic Syndrome which directly relates to insulin sensitivity. A full blood panel work up should unroot the issues.

Anyways your GP will probably refer you to a Endocrinologist or perhaps a urologist for treatment. That's where it gets interesting. Because most are behind the times and the Ontario College Of Physicians isn't the most pro active either. But there are some dynamite docs out there who have got it down and can prescribe life changing protocols.
 
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