Teslas are Getting Set On Fire Around America

[Valcazar]

If the government won't abide by its own laws why should the people?

That's a comment on whether or not people should be willing to break the law.
Which isn't what I am talking about.
I'm talking about saying the protesters not committing arson and those are is what the government wants in order to charge everyone with terrorism regardless.

 

[mellowjello]

Still not sure how that addresses my point.
Or do you also think that there is no difference between the people who are protesting and boycotting and the people who are committing arson?

They're both necessary.
Look at the origins of the mafia, or mob involvement in labour union activity.
Both necessary evils to fight oppression.
In Sicily, under feudalism, the nobility owned most of the land and enforced the law through their private armies and a court system
operated by the lords. Familial clans who were ruthless and willing to fight back was the only recourse to social, economic, and legal oppression.
In the U.S. in the late 1800's and early 1900's, people were forced to work 6 - 7 days a week, child labour was the normal.
When they tried to organize and fight back, they were met with law enforcement who murdered to quash resistance.

Without muscle to protect you and defend your rights you got nothin. Everything else is window dressing.

 

[Frankfooter]

That's a comment on whether or not people should be willing to break the law.
Which isn't what I am talking about.
I'm talking about saying the protesters not committing arson and those are is what the government wants in order to charge everyone with terrorism regardless.

But you also know that whether they are committing arson is immaterial to whether they will be charged, as we saw in Columbia.

 

[Valcazar]

They're both necessary.

I'm trying to figure out if you are being deliberately obtuse about my point or not.

Look at the origins of the mafia, or mob involvement in labour union activity.
Both necessary evils to fight oppression.
In Sicily, under feudalism, the nobility owned most of the land and enforced the law through their private armies and a court system
operated by the lords. Familial clans who were ruthless and willing to fight back was the only recourse to social, economic, and legal oppression.
In the U.S. in the late 1800's and early 1900's, people were forced to work 6 - 7 days a week, child labour was the normal.
When they tried to organize and fight back, they were met with law enforcement who murdered to quash resistance.

Without muscle to protect you and defend your rights you got nothin. Everything else is window dressing.

So your position is "Trump is right and all the protesters are terrorists"?
Because you are saying that this is one unified group using the violence as a tactic to support the boycott and protests.

 

[Valcazar]

But you also know that whether they are committing arson is immaterial to whether they will be charged, as we saw in Columbia.

Which is why I offered mellowjello that option - to say since the government was going to treat them all that way no matter what, it was irrelevant.
Instead, he seems to be agreeing with the position that they are linked and this is right and good, and Trump's DOJ isn't using it as an excuse, but is actually correct in their assessment of the situation.

 

[Anbarandy]

Sorry jibberish isn't my second language.

But ur posts are infused and imbued and exude classical gibberish like kernel caked brown loaves expunged in le toilet.

 

[mellowjello]

I'm trying to figure out if you are being deliberately obtuse about my point or not.



So your position is "Trump is right and all the protesters are terrorists"?
Because you are saying that this is one unified group using the violence as a tactic to support the boycott and protests.

Obtuse? I could accuse of the same, but I won't.
I don't give a fuck what Trump thinks, I don't give a fuck how he defines anything.

I know what you're trying to say, if violence persists, peaceful protestors will be lumped in with the terrorists, thereby endangering everyone and undermining the cause, it's not a stretch.
Is it not obvious how perverted it is to link those two groups, isn't that a sign of how far gone this system is.
He's creating his own fucking laws, and your argument is to subjugate yourself to those laws or else?
Do you believe that appeasing Trump is going to stop things from getting worse.

What did peaceful protesting and boycotting of Israel achieve? It's ILLEGAL.
Regardless what side of the fence you're on, peaceful protest and boycotting is ILLEGAL.
And the beat goes on.

 

[The Oracle]

All capitol rioters were set free dude.

Yes they were...How does that relate to my question to Butler?

 

[The Oracle]

How does one commit an act of violence on an inanimate object?

vi·o·lence
/ˈvī(ə)ləns/

noun

1. behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

 

[mellowjello]

vi·o·lence
/ˈvī(ə)ləns/

noun

1. behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Is cutting down a tree violence?

 

[maurice93]

Musk deserves to be condemned / boycotted for the way he is acting and what he is pushing and supporting.
But violence in this manner is not an appropriate way to respond.

 

[jalimon]

Yes they were...How does that relate to my question to Butler?

No clue. I just wanted to point out that violence against Tesla is to oppose the fact that a non-elect billionaire took over our government. And on top of it a Nazy sympathizer...

It is much better violence than sore losers killing cops and invading the capitol because their leader lost an election.

 

[The Oracle]

Is cutting down a tree violence?

Do I own the tree and you're the one cutting it down?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Exactly…I think the violence is justified when the government is hi-jacked by fascists.

Unfortunately, I also think that violence is what Trump wants as it enables him to declare a state of emergency, martial law, and attempt to suspend the Constitution and make himself Leader for Life. So…behaving violently is almost as though one is falling into Trump’s trap.

I am generally against violence.
And I do think it enables Trump to double down on his authoritarianism.
But you are right.
If the administration keeps pushing it beyond a tipping point, it may very well end up in violent revolution or at the very least riots.

 

[The Oracle]

No clue. I just wanted to point out that violence against Tesla is to oppose the fact that a non-elect billionaire took over our government. And on top of it a Nazy sympathizer...

It is much better violence than sore losers killing cops and invading the capitol because their leader lost an election.

1. Elon hasn't taken over the government
2. Elon isn't a Nazi sympathizer
3. No cops were killer on J6

Hope that helps...

 

[mellowjello]

Do I own the tree and you're the one cutting it down?

Even so, is that violence, would I be charged with some violent act?

 

[Knuckle Ball]

1. Elon hasn't taken over the government
2. Elon isn't a Nazi sympathizer
3. No cops were killer on J6

Hope that helps...

Are immigrants still eating dogs in Springfield, Ohio?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

1. Elon hasn't taken over the government
2. Elon isn't a Nazi sympathizer
3. No cops were killer on J6

Hope that helps...

1,2 here, are an outright lie.

 

[mellowjello]

I am generally against violence.
And I do think it enables Trump to double down on his authoritarianism.
But you are right.
If the administration keeps pushing it beyond a tipping point, it may very well end up in violent revolution or at the very least riots.

It is going that way.
We're living in an illusion of what once was, or thought it was.
We're get bamboozled by the constant arguing back and forth, divide and conquer.

 

[Leimonis]

1. Elon hasn't taken over the government
2. Elon isn't a Nazi sympathizer
3. No cops were killer on J6

Hope that helps...

My heart goes out to you!